User talk:Jenjonze

Greetings

Welcome to your talk page. Theredproject (talk) 14:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Jenjonze (talk) 13:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Testing 123 Theredproject (talk) 14:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata Lighting Talk

Talk Jenjonze (talk) 19:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi from Wikidata day

Hello! This is Dorothy. Just wanted to say good job today on your presentation and very nice to meet you! If you every want to talk Wiki or research, I am here. Hexatekin (talk) 21:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alt text on Commons

Hi there! To follow up on our brief discussion in the context of Wikidata Day NYC 2024 about alt text on Commons, I did a little experiment:
I added alt text to File:WIkidat-cake-2024.jpg (under “structured data”, as a statement with alt text (P11265)) to see whether it would automatically be used in pages that display the image in question. But neither when displaying the image with the [[File:…]] syntax nor in a gallery such as the one on the Wikidata Day page is the alt text getting used.
Rather, it seems, the alt text really has to be retyped every time the image is displayed anywhere on-wiki. And that doesn’t even cover the case yet of where one might have provided, say, on Wikidata, alt text for the cake itself (thinking of it as a ‘sculpture’, for example) rather than alt text for the image on Commons.
If you have any thoughts about how the alt-text state of affairs could (or should) be ameliorated through local or small-group efforts, feel free to get in touch with me or the NYC Chapter. ―BlaueBlüte (talk) 20:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @BlaueBlüte thank you for following up on this and my apologies for the delay in responding.

Hello @Pharos and @Bluerasberry do you think this would be a good test case to figure out the chain that will get alt-text to the Commons from Wikimedia to Wikipedia. If not let's try to pick another image so that we can work through the process. I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you! Jenjonze (talk) 14:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jenjonze: I do not see a way that a small group can advance this proposal with normal effort, time, and luck.

However, it could happen that a small group documents a case study to put a time stamp on the request, and to have a center for discussing the issue. Just guessing, the case study could be 5 paragraphs: intro, motivation, then 3-step process with maybe 3 images. If anyone got this far, then make a request in meta:Community Wishlist. There are many other barriers but making a strong request to the wishlist is probably the easiest way to get the most community attention, and the highest chance of WMF staff developer response. Bluerasberry (talk) 15:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jenjonze, when you say “get alt-text to the Commons”, are you thinking of cases where, for a given image or media file, there already is alt text somewhere within the Wikimedia projects, just not on Commons (and you’re thinking it should be centralized on Commons)? Do you have an example? ―BlaueBlüte (talk) 19:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess the first step would be asking around and figuring out whether the alt-text not propagating is a bug or actually a deliberate choice in the architecture. I suspect it might be the latter, in which case we have to understand the justification why, and potential ways to rethink that architecture. Pharos (talk) 21:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]