User talk:JellyCreeper

January 2022

Hello, JellyCreeper, welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. Your editing pattern indicates that you may be using multiple accounts or coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia. Our policy on multiple accounts usually does not allow this, and users who misuse multiple accounts may be blocked from editing. If you operate multiple accounts directly or with the help of another person, please disclose these connections. Thank you. 15 (talk) 23:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well hello there 15. Those are some serious words you write there:

1) I have submitted previously on Wikipedia.pt, I am not a "bot" or a part of any coordinated movement. I have only posted in talk pages because as far as I am aware some Wikipedia administrators will misuse their power regardless of country you are in, so I try to stick to talk pages maybe out of paranoia. I haven't even edited any article yet. All I do is point out political bias/conflict of interests as well as historical inaccuracies. This is my first time using Wikipedia.org's talk page. Your "warning" literally applies to any disagreeable account that just started posting.

2) You claim "our policy on multiple accounts..." which implies you represent Wikipedia. You do not represent Wikipedia, at most you are an administrator. Wikipedia is a free encyclopaedia in which everyone is allowed to edit, regardless of race/country/politics, as such your warning is unwelcoming and rather rude, as I have not broken any rules. It just so happens that I agree with a few people raising concerns on the political bias in 1 article that represents me personally.

3) I don't have multiple accounts, your "warning" comes more as a threat than an actual warning (even when assuming good faith). This completely disregards the 5 pillars of Wikipedia and is unacceptable. If you are an administrator, you are supposed to uphold them.

4) While my words may come of as chastising in nature, they are to be taken in good faith, as much as I have taken your "warning" at least. Take it as advice from an elder, not as a scolding from an irritable person. I do sugest you stop issuing these types of warnings. JellyCreeper (talk) 01:52, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, these types of warnings/reminders are standard practice (see template:Uw-agf-sock--I didn't actually write these words) and there is no need to write a treatise about the nature and wording of them. If you are concerned about their language, you can discuss them at the associated talk or policy pages.

I'm not warning any new disagreeable account, but multiple that have chosen to contribute to this only and at the same time, which, given the sensitive nature of the topic and preceding edit war, can be suspicious. A denial is actually all that is needed, there are plenty of new users who think it is fine to have one account per device or multiple accounts for mostly innocent reasons, who this warning is for. Let me know if you have any further questions! Happy editing, 15 (talk) 10:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

These types of warnings being standard practice has no bearing benefit in an argument of whether it was misused or not, a cursory view over the page suggests it is to be used when a "New user is likely to be using multiple accounts". Looking at my account suggest that I am not a new user. Misusing these types of notices is a type of abuse of authority. Again I am not trying to be disingenuous, as it honestly concerns me to be issued a warning for defending the use of a primary source in a Wikipedia page.JellyCreeper (talk) 12:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The creation of your account a few months ago notwithstanding, you made your first edit yesterday, the UncleToaster account was created yesterday and directly backed up your argument with its first edit.

You seem to feel that the reminder was some sort of retaliation for voicing your opinion on Talk:Stop Asian Hate. I don't see how you would know my opinion on whether to include it or not and if you are concerned over it, you are free to take it to the appropriate noticeboard. I am not sure how else to convince you and feel like our time is probably better spent on other things. 15 (talk) 14:00, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I was browsing WP:ANI and saw that Stop Asian Hate was the subject of a Steven Crowder video a few days ago, which explains the increased attention the article received. In that case, the increased activity of new accounts on the talk page is entirely plausible and I apologise for the undue stress caused by the reminder above. Consider it retracted if you like. 15 (talk) 14:09, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. JellyCreeper (talk) 16:17, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]