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November 2024

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Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. ... discospinster talk 00:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for contravening Wikipedia's policy against harassment.
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Jejd99 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have not harassed any user. All I have ever done on wikipedia is leave 3 comments asking for a malicious user to stop mass deleting articles Jejd99 (talk) 20:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Since you see nothing wrong with that, there are no grounds to remove the block. 331dot (talk) 22:17, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jejd99 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have not harassed any user and I don't see why the first appeal was rejected. I have read the policy and not contravened anything in it. Even if I had broken any rules it says I first need a warning first and that the ban starts at 24 hours, not an indefinite ban without warning. If I can actually be given a specific reason why I was banned then I am happy to apologise but I can't apologise for breaking a rule I haven't broken!Jejd99 (talk) 22:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jejd99, how did you find ItsKesha's deletion proposal at [1] a minute after [2]? How did you know that there was another proposed deletion by the same user? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 23:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ToBeFree There is a page that lists a load of articles of the same topic that ItsKesha keeps trying to delete: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Darts/Article_alerts. It is the fact they are on the same topic and not the user who did it that means I am trying to stop them being deleted. I don't see how that is harassment from me. As you can see on that page, multiple have already been deleted as there is far too many for users to be able to fight all of them. Jejd99 (talk) 09:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jejd99, in edits like this one you were removing AfD templates from articles. Do you understand why you're not supposed to do that? -- asilvering (talk) 23:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did not know the process about stopping articles being deleted but I do now thanks to the comment from discospinster at the top of the page. However this has nothing to do with harassment which is why it says I have been banned Jejd99 (talk) 23:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, good. Do you know why this is not an acceptable edit? -- asilvering (talk) 23:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I read that that was how you were supposed to report users for vandalising pages. I apologise if this is not the case Jejd99 (talk) 23:52, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, that is where you're supposed to report users for vandalising pages. But that doesn't make that a good edit. The page at WP:VANDAL is pretty long, but I recommend reading that one and WP:AGF. Then I think you'll be able to answer the question. -- asilvering (talk) 00:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
so I can't say someone isn't acting in good faith then? I said that to try and say a policy said user had broken but I will withdraw it in that case Jejd99 (talk) 00:10, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't quite answer the question about why that edit to AIV wasn't a good one. -- asilvering (talk) 03:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What you are saying is that I shouldn't be assuming bad faith from another user without providing evidence. I am happy to accept that I shouldn't have done that although I still don't see how that is breaking the harassment policy. What the admin who banned me is implying in the above comment is that I was harassing a user by tracking their actions, which is a ridiculous accusation in and of itself but even if it were true that I was tracking a particular user, it specifically says this isn't against the harassment policy on the second last paragraph on the policy page itself. I'm happy to be told where I have done the process run such as like you have done but that shouldn't be a reason to ban me for a different policy entirely Jejd99 (talk) 20:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, not quite, but I think you're getting there, so I'll explain. When you report someone at AIV, you're saying that their edits unambiguously constitute vandalism, which we define as behaviour deliberately intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose. So by reporting ItsKesha to AIV for nominating various articles for deletion, what you were saying was that their edits were unambiguously, obviously intended as a way to destroy the encyclopedia. There are two significant problems there: one, it means you've completely failed to assume good faith on ItsKesha's part, and you had no reason to do that (people can make very bad edits and not be intending to damage the encyclopedia); two, it means you're saying that a very normal kind of edit (nominating something for deletion) is unambiguously vandalism, and no admin is going to believe that. So it was harassment, in that the effect was that you were accusing ItsKesha of being out to destroy the place, and additionally it was an inappropriate thing to take to AIV (even if ItsKesha is trying to harm the encyclopedia).
I know you disagree with this, which is fine - you can be as upset at ItsKesha's actions as you like, and you won't be alone there. But do you at least understand the logic here? -- asilvering (talk) 20:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand the logic. I agree that if it was the odd article then the second assumption would have been unreasonable but I think it was justified when it is literally hundreds of articles about the same topic at once, leaving no room for anyone to reasonably edit them all to sufficient quality. There probably are merits to some or even most of them being deleted but it isn't productive to just say "unnotable darts player, all my warmest wishes" and refuse to entertain opinions to the contrary or answer very basic concerns that other users have about the behaviour of the user (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive358#Can_an_uninvolved_admin_please_step_in_over_toxicity_and_BATTLEGROUND_at_darts-related_pages or the users own talk page, it isn't just me with concerns!) I still believe the reporting of the user was justified (which you are welcome to disagree on) however I accept that I didn't do it in the correct manner. I'm happy to agree to disagree that this is harassment as opposed to a misunderstanding of the exact wording of the policy.
Thank you though for actually explaining things to me unlike the other admins in this process. I can't say I'm particularly motivated to want to start editing articles even if the ban is lifted as I am not convinced the articles would stay online even if done properly but at least I understand the processes better now if I ever do! Jejd99 (talk) 21:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no requirement for warnings or short blocks if it is deemed necessary. 331dot (talk) 01:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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