User talk:Jeeny/Archive 8

Great Blue Hill

Hi. You removed “The name of the now-extinct Massachusett Indian tribe and their language (and thus the name of the Bay, Colony, state, etc) derive from the Massachusett name of this hill.” from the article on Great Blue Hill. But Massachusett and Massachusetts#Name support this derivation; the latter has several cites. Also, the link you added to a DCR webpage says, “More than ten thousand years before those Europeans arrived, Native Americans made their home in the [Blue Hills]. The Natives referred to themselves as Massachusett, or "people of the great hills".” So some variation on the claim seems justifed.
—wwoods (talk) 18:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

passed

I've passed all my classes with A's and B's!!! Seth71 (talk) 19:45, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hooray!! Good for you. :) - Jeeny ^(talk) 06:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plus the status bot doesn't tell people if your logged onto wikipedia, it tells you if you're online or not. The status bot ain't working right now anyways. Seth71 (talk) 20:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I almost always leave my computer on and online, even though I may be at the store, doctors, meeting, etc. lol. So, I'm not online, but my computer is. I also leave my TV on too, for the cats. Probably why my electric bill is so high. :/ - Jeeny ^(talk) 06:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

James was eliminated Seth71 (talk) 01:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know, I didn't like that. He was the black Superman to me. :( - Jeeny ^(talk) 06:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Second opinion

Do you think this youtube vid is acceptable for inclusion in the article? I fail to see how it adds any encyclo value. - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I just looked at the video, and I think it is of encyclopedic value. Unlike a paper encyclopedia, Wikipedia can actually link to videos uploaded to the web of real footage. In my opinion, that makes Wikipedia that much better. BUT, the problem I see is the source, in that, how do we know that is of that attack, or represents the article? Do we take the word of the uploader? Although the footage is very compelling, I cannot understand Japanese, so I don't know if it does represent the 1974 attack by the Japanese Red Army. This is a tough call. I also see there are a number of "parts" to this documentary? Hmmm. I like it, but again, I can't understand Japanese. I would just leave it for now. I think. - Jeeny ^(talk) 06:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've received another opinion and have decided to remove it. Thanks lol..Here, for your trouble......

Rjd0060 (talk) 06:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC

Well, thanks for the nickel. lol. Although I disagree with Jeff's opinion. Yes, he's my mentor, but only because of my behavior not my knowledge or brain power. :p It is actual footage, not OR. But, like a said the "source" is iffy, only in that I can't understand Japanese, and I bet Jeff doesn't either. :p - Jeeny ^(talk) 06:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Verifiability, not truth...The OR was not the main reason, as I don't know if it is or not. - Rjd0060 (talk) 06:16, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to spend it however you'd like! -Rjd0060 (talk) 06:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I said it's a tough one...the verifiability part...I agree. I do have a friend that speaks Japanese, but haven't talked to him in years. Pfft, the nickel goes into the small change jar. Thanks! :) - Jeeny ^(talk) 06:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Given that this is the English wiki, I think it is best that way. - Rjd0060 (talk) 06:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's OR in that it was being used as a ref. Somebody went out looking for footage to illustrate the bombing that would support their claim. It's not a secondary source. Jeffpw (talk) 06:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff, I understand that secondary sources are better, but a real live video, being a primary source is acceptable for an encyclopedia because one can see and hear it. Not read someone's written accounting of something that happened. This way, the video is actually a better source because one does not have to depend on someone's interpretation of the event(s). It's like PBS, only better. But, it is not in English, and that is the bigger problem. - Jeeny ^(talk) 06:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More on video footage. Take for example the JFK shooting. That clip, along with a another source accounting the event is that much better. We can see and have it explained too. Much better than relying just on words. Also, WWII, or any other war, one can read about it from a reliable source, but if there is also video sources backing up the written word, it is much better. Don't you think? It's like PBS, or watching the History or Nature channels. :p - Jeeny ^(talk)

I agree with that. But like you said, the english is a problem. - Rjd0060 (talk) 06:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that's a big problem, but worse when a source is written in another language. :) - Jeeny ^(talk) 06:44, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thats what I meant. Being the enwiki, the sources need to be in en... tanks..- Rjd0060 (talk) 06:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see that. I was watching the videos. Sorry, tanks to you too. :) - Jeeny ^(talk)

Hope you like your new quarters. ~~BTW, did you see the link I left you a couple days back about the little contest message? The message on the watchlist about the contest.~~ Nevermind, I don't think I gave it to you. sry - Rjd0060 (talk) 06:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They're quarters? They look like buffalo nickels to me. lol I think they're worth more. So yes, I like them very much!! :) About the contest thing. You did give me a link, and I did look but I don't think I understood what it was that you wanted me to see. Also, I think I just skimmed it, while multitasking, and was not paying that much attention. lol. - Jeeny ^(talk) 07:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. They're nickels. But i guess they can *be* whatever you want them to be. - Rjd0060 (talk) 07:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like them very much. :D Brings back memories. Too bad I didn't keep all those silly buffalo nickels I had as a kid, because then, I preferred the newer shiny ones, so used the old ones to get pistachios from the little counter-top thingy machines. :/ Going to bed..now. Looooong day today. G'nite :) - Jeeny ^(talk) 07:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MOS and bolding of names in the Meier article

You said: "# (cur) (last) 07:28, 30 November 2007 Jeeny (Talk | contribs | block) m (9,953 bytes) (more MoS) (undo)

(cur) (last) 07:27, 30 November 2007 Jeeny (Talk | contribs | block) (9,960 bytes) (removed bolding of Josh Evans and Lori Drew per MoS) (undo)"

Jeeny, where does it say this in the MoS? Which MoS? I am used to bolding various subjects. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:56, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, WhisperToMe. :) As for example "Josh Evans" the quotations show that this is a made-up person, bolding Mrs. Drew is making a personal statement, one that should be left to the reader, not the editor. See WP:MoS, especially see here and here. When you bold those names in that article it's like making a personal statement, by suggesting to the reader that that name is very important, when it is not. Or shouldn't be, rather. Especially not for an encyclopedia where we have to maintain a neutral point of view.

I hope that helps explain why I made those changes, plus I provided links to the guidelines, hoping they would help, rather than take my word on it. Any other questions, don't hesitate to ask. Also, don't hesitate to disagree with me either, I'm fine with that. :) Cheers! - Jeeny ^(talk) 09:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... it may be best to start a talk page discussion about the specific instance, since I found "and any synonyms (including acronyms) " as stuff to be bolded.

As for the addresses of the Drew family, I found a somewhat laxer policy that states that it may be okay to post addresses of "public figures" (Even though there is one event now, I see the issues regarding this as a "snowball" effect - as in legal and drama issues will increase) IF a reliable secondary source repeats the address (i.e. one may not rely solely on public records) - I found a reliable secondary source mentioning the street name (but not the house number). WhisperToMe 15:04, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom

I have filed a case here, I just listed myself an Dbachmann as the involved parties, because I was unsure how to do it, if you would also like to be listed as an involved party and make a statement, please feel free to add your name and statement. futurebird 19:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

failed

I took my english 11 "quiz" today and it was difficult. We had like 12 stories to read and he would put a fill in the blank question and make us fill them in and it was a certain sentance in the book. How am I supposed to remember a specific sentence from 12 stories. The quiz just had so much detail. Seth71 19:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aw, I'm sorry. :( You should have let me help you. :p - Jeeny ^(talk) 19:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Evel Knievel died. you know that? Seth71 22:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I heard it on the news. - Jeeny ^(talk) 19:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

pages

Have you ever created a wikipedia page here is the one I've created. I made it n the summer. It ain't that good. sony urban music Seth71 18:55, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, one, but the old copyright image bot wouldn't let me keep a recent picture in the article, which was beautiful. I even had permission. I then asked my sister to take one but she forgot when she was in the area. Sigh. The Mather School is the only one I created from scratch, and it's very small. It was a DYK article too. :) - Jeeny ^(talk) 19:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

For the copyedit! It's done. what do you think? Jeffpw 23:43, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's great! Gonna look some more, I didn't finish reading the whole thing. Got sidetracked, trying to out-do SatyrTN with the rainbow flakes. I can make them have no background. I can make Santa's sleigh slide down a rainbow..and I can...maybe not. - Jeeny ^(talk) 00:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I want that newsletter decorated more garishly than an Antebellum whorehouse! Make what you wish, and toss it onto Satyr's page. He puts it all together. Thanks again, sweetie. Jeffpw 00:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NO thingy over the O. That was intentional. :-) Jeffpw 00:36, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OKay, I kinda thought so, that's why I threatened. Either or. lol Hey, I have a few graphics done. Transgendered-Santa, ornament, Santa with sleigh and cherib with LGBT flag. I'm going to upload them in a minute or two. - Jeeny ^(talk) 01:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those images are truly beautiful, Jeeny! Thank you so much! I'll check to see if you've copied them to Satyr, and if not, I will. They will absolutley make the newsletter the best we have ecer done! You're a peach!!! Jeffpw 08:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pleeeeeease, move the images to Commons? :-) Pretty please? I wanna use them in the Spanish Project too. Please! *Bows reverently* Cheers! Raystorm (¿Sí?) 16:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Opps, missed this. Which ones? All of them? - Jeeny ^(talk) 01:06, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ohio

Ohio state is going to be #1. I can't believe all of those teams lost. Sorry if you don't care. I'm just bragging to everyone I could think of, and about my test, it's too difficult even if you did help me. It was all in just great detail. I read all the stories twice. I turned in my report though. Seth71 15:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Email

I've sent you a follow-up email RE: our previous discussion about the article. - Rjd0060 18:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edits

Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. On many keyboards, the tilde is entered by holding the Shift key, and pressing the key with the tilde pictured. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --SineBot 23:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I DID know. ;p but, I didn't want to. I didn't need to either, not on that edit. Now cut it out. - Jeeny ^(talk) 01:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I liked your old sig better :)....Is the bot talking about the comment you left on my page? Oh, that was rude of me to interrupt your conversation with SineBot...sorry.- Rjd0060 01:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, I liked it too, but when doing serious edits, I think I should stick with the straight Jeeny sig. No, it wasn't on your page, it was on a Bio talk page, where I was just adding helpful links. Oh, and I'm just being silly talking to the bot, you're most welcome to join it. :p - Oh no, it's Jeeny ^(talk) 01:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Thanks! I put them to good use hehe. ;-) People at the Spanish project loved them! I don't know why, but I always have huge problems moving pics to Commons, ugh. I think it hates me. Anyway, thanks again for the pics! :-) Raystorm (¿Sí?) 20:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOL! That's great. I'm glad. :D - Jeeny ^(talk) 23:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pledge

Just ran across it. Might be something that interests you. User:NoSeptember/Leaving. - Rjd0060 23:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LMAO! >-{ Ooooo... why I otta! Hell, no... I reserve the right to change my mind...again... and...again, and, again... until I really mean it... maybe. :) - Jeeny ^(talk) 23:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, okay. I think it would be nice for you to sign it, since you've said you don't like all the "drama" and the "attention" when you leave.......- Rjd0060 23:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That would be more drama. lol, When I really leave you'll know it, because I'd be vewwy vewwy quiet about it. ~^~ - Jeeny ^(talk) 23:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but I better be informed ~~so I can plan the party~~.. j/k - Rjd0060 23:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, you'll know when you don't see me anymore. ;p - Jeeny ^(talk) 23:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other issues

(outdent) Big Brother 9 (US) has been created with confirmed dates. A side note, is it just me? - Rjd0060 05:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cool! :) I don't "get" the side note, other than I thought it appropriate? Is that the right answer? - Jeeny ^(talk) 00:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it highly inappropriate. Which is why I left these: [1] [2]. Yet they are both disagreeing with me (see continued conversation on both pages), for some odd reason. - Rjd0060 (talk) 00:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I mean I thought your comment was appropriate. I haven't checked your newest links though. Will in a minute. - Jeeny ^(talk) 01:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you are right in what you posted and I agree with you. If they disagree that's their problem. - Jeeny ^(talk) 01:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

[3], Don't be so quick to believe that all of those admins are super -human / -heroes; WJB is a recently promoted crat. - Rjd0060 (talk) 20:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was being sarcastic. :) - Oh no, it's Jeeny ^(talk) 02:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Rjd0060 (talk) 03:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

big brother 9

Big brother 9 will premire february 12 2008 according to cbs. Big Brother 9 Seth71 20:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

dang someone told you before I could. Seth71 20:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here it is from cbs's mouth. [4] just click on julie chen's, or wait for it to come up by itself. Seth71 20:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Seth. That's great! huh? I hope it's better than Dick's reign. lol. How are you? Well, I hope. With the writer's strike I guess we'll be seeing a lot of reality shows. That is if they don't come to a compromise soon. - Jeeny ^(talk) 00:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the employee

The sources I found say that the prosecuting attorney had named the employee as the author of most of the messages. Where would official documents stating this be found? Will the county sheriff's department issue statements repeating what the prosecuting attorney said? WhisperToMe (talk) 01:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. This is a very tough situation. We have to be absolutely sure before posting names of living people involved in a sensationalized incident playing out in the media right now. We have to be responsible here. We don't need to be on top of, or in sync with the media. Again, this is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia shows on at the top of most search engines. Please wait for absolute certainty before posting such incriminating "evidence". This "case" has not even be in a court of law. We cannot do it here. We are not even reporters, and shouldn't be. Again, this is an encyclopedia. Please don't take this personal, I'm including everyone. I'm typing out loud. lol. - Jeeny ^(talk) 01:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Demonizes the Drews

Uhm, which edits "demonize" the Drews? I'm looking at my latest edits right now... WhisperToMe (talk) 06:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

[5] <-- Removing a transition that I feel may promote POV
[6] <-- Added back the map to prove that the school was in O'Fallon

I have made no other edits since the transition. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From the text and link you added of the update from yesterdays conference. There was more to the story. You left out the part about the Drews being upset, have been harassed, had to move their daughter, etc. etc. etc. What is it you don't understand about WP:NPOV? sorry, I'm upset, I am going offline now - Jeeny ^(talk) 06:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"You left out the part about the Drews being upset, have been harassed, had to move their daughter, etc. etc. etc." - Erm, I thought most of the stuff about them being harassed was already in the article - And as for the other stuff I wasn't aware of it for some reason - either way, both sets of information (what I added, and the harassment stuff) had to be added. Also, uhm, I felt the conflict regarding Grills was NPOV in that both sides of the argument were described. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Uhm, Jeeny, are you sure you are okay? You reverted my edit regarding the O'Fallon map with the words "WHAT, are you kidding me? POV?" - I have no idea what you are referring to. - I think you should take a Wikibreak and accept that last edit (what's POV about it?) as okay. WhisperToMe (talk) 06:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jeeny, please see the talk page. I'm not at all sure I am understanding you correctly. --Pleasantville (talk) 14:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]