User talk:JayFang

Hello, JayFang! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking

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chinatravelguide.com

Hi, I am here since we have lately had some 'spamming' of your site (not by you). I am sure the site itself is serious, but here it collides with some of our policies and guidelines. A summary on how your link was used can be found here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/chinatravelguide.com.

Due to these edits we have been forced to put the link on an autorevert list, it can now be used by experienced editors, but new and/or IP editors will be reverted when they add the link. May I ask you to seek contact with a suitable wikiproject (china, chinese cooking, I don't know), and get an opinion from them about the use of your site, and help in the mean time a bit convincing people who insist in adding a link to your site to look at our policies and guidelines (some of the policies and guidelines involved are: the external links guideline, the original research guideline, conflict of interest guideline (for editors who edit on both sides), certain sections in 'what wikipedia is not', the spam guideline).

Hope to see you around. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 22:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jay. I don't know if you'll get this message in time - but I just wanted to give you a heads up about a current conversation at WikiProject Spam about chinatravelguide.com. See here. The conversation will stay on the main page until approx 4 days after the last comment is posted to it - then it gets moved to one of the archives. -- SiobhanHansa 01:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jay thanks for the message. This conversation should really take place on the WikiProject discussion. As I mention there it doesn't seem like there have been any further additions since User:Beetstra's conversation with you months ago so I wasn't anticipating further effort. My concern was that I had found Interwiki links (which are for technical reasons harder to track than URLs) and I was wondering about how we would deal with these. In terms of whether or not it was spamming - I appreciate the language isn't ideal. "Spamming" has connotations of dodgy schemes and pornography. "Link promotion" or possibly "Conflict of interest linking" better describes the actions. Nevertheless we specifically ask editors not to add links to sites they are connected with. Our definition of spamming doesn't take the content of the link into account only the manner in which it is added and people adding links to sites they are connected with fits that definition. In terms of whether the links would otherwise be appropriate - the links fail our external links guidelines because, as a Wiki, ChinaTravelGuide does not have a large number of editors.

You didn't mention any specific action you wanted to see taken so the above is just a general note about our guidelines and policies and how they are normally interpreted in a case like this. If you have more questions or a specific request please post to the WikiProject discussion. Thanks. -- SiobhanHansa 23:57, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]