User talk:JarrahTree/Archive 35

Sorry...

...I couldn't be of more help. If you hope to look into the matter elsewhere (perhaps on one of the noticeboards or whereever) you should provide diffs demonstrating exactly what the issue is. J Milburn (talk) 11:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Greetings from Bali

Hi. You seem to think I'm an Indonesian about to fill en:wp with dross. Far from it; I'm a bulé software developer semi-retired in Bali. Don't be put-off by my userpage; it's a long story and the page is for teh lulz. Ask John ;) Cheers, sulutil:Jack Merridew 13:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Cheers re Freo Harbour

Thanks for your note. It's been vastly improved too by pics. I hear you re refs. Still learning. Happy NY. Davidcohen (talk) 09:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Template moves

• User talk:Bennylin#Template moves

Chip-in please. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:30, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Fix it

Feel free to fix it. And no, fortunately, I'm not a regular here - So I won't see you that often.Serenity id (talk) 00:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Please either ask for help or check your english carefully - some of the sentences in the Indonesia Wikipedia article are not normal english! SatuSuro 15:38, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

1. True, that some of the sentences in Indonesian Wikipedia is not normal English. As a matter of fact it is not even English, it is - if you noticed - Bahasa Indonesia.
2. None of the "Indonesian Wikipedia" side of the same article made it to the EN article. It's either 1) You don't speak Indonesian, otherwise you would have notice, or 2) You don't check before you make allegation.
3. Your English is not normal too, perhaps you would like to have someone to put dots and commas or clearer sentences to help you. Have a great holiday, clearly you need it. Serenity id (talk) 00:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Some cool air needed here perhaps :-) I started before I saw Serenity's note, but... It's a wiki - you're allowed to help and fix all you like. It's also cool to make polite suggestions to help others edit better.

Btw, I don't understand the meaning of your English in the first sentence of your comment on Serenity's talk page. I don't generally leave notes criticizing people's English skills, and I would suggest that you go easy as well. Civility helps Wikipedia go around. --Chriswaterguy talk 00:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Classic case of the misunderstandings that create monsters out of tyops - I had meant the English Wikipedia Indonesia Project, I came out of wikibreak because of rubbish creeping into the English Wikipedia Indonesia Project - neither of the messages above have any comprehension of the original mistake or the general sense of what had happened. Too bad - misunderstandings continue as always SatuSuro 06:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

It's helpful to link to the page you refer to. Do you mean Indonesian Wikipedia?

References to "rubbish creeping into the English Wikipedia" don't help a civil discussion. Re the messages above: I'm not negating your concerns, just pointing out that leaving negative messages on people's talk pages don't help fix anything. If someone doesn't quite write in standard English, rubbing their nose in it won't help. Serenity is not a native speaker - I'm also not a native speaker in Indonesian or Malaysian, but the users there have been very helpful in correcting my language, and I have appreciated it and learnt from it. So just fix it, or relax and someone else will fix it in time.

Your comment on my talk page I will answer there. --Chriswaterguy talk 17:00, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it's pretty clear from what he said that he meant WP:INDONESIA, the WikiProject Indonesia on the English Wikipedia. I'm not sure what the issue is at this point, but I do know that on past occasions there have been issues with Indonesian editors attempting to rename articles within the project to Indonesian names, or creating masses of unmaintainable stubs on Indonesian topics or articles on topics or people that fail our policies. We need to be careful with these things - I've looked at the Revo Soekatno article and can't see how it would survive AfD if it were nominated, on the basis of WP:BIO and a distinct lack of WP:RS about the subject, and a massive cleanup would be needed to get the article as is into comprehensible English. It's fine to say "fix it", but we are all volunteers, we are all very busy people in the real world, we have our own Wikipriorities and this sort of stuff wastes a tremendous amount of time which could be better utilised. Orderinchaos 05:44, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't clear to Serenity or myself what page was meant - Wikilinks are simple and make these things easier for the reader.

The original comments appeared to be little more than an attack on people whose English is not considered "good enough" and definitely didn't fit with my take on WP:CIVIL, and fixing something (or leaving it for someone else to fix) is always better than, say, telling someone their language skills are inadequate.

Having said that, I do find your explanation clearer, and those are valid concerns. --Chriswaterguy talk 15:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

On a personal note

I think the whole problem started when you mistype in describing on what I did mistype (in your opinion). If you think it is best that the writer not get upset, how do you describe yourself when pointing it out? With exclamation mark?

For your information, I have no idea that you are on my tail, so it is best to pointed that out first before making such notion.

Plus, if you think that I get "all precious about something", I tell you what, I make it a deal. If you stop "multi-complaints" in one line, making it all confusing for others to read, I'll do the same.

Now, I apologize too, but I believe we already set off in the wrong foot. I appreciated it if we do not continue this discussion and ask you to refrain yourself in talking to me (in my talk page), and I promise I try to minimize the damage (from my side) if you do so. Thank you. Serenity id (talk) 05:17, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

"All that aside I cannot understand why a simple observation about an article can get so drawn out". -- It's just a wrong message to a wrong person, that's all. Thank you for your understanding. Serenity id (talk)

Thanks

Thanks for the warm welcome: it's good to be back at work. My humble contribution to the furthering of WA's railway heritage continues... :) There's a long way to go yet - you can also check out my improvements to the WAGR Pr Class art I've made, my creation of some main arts for various WAGR topics and a started article on Fred Mills Corporal29 (talk) 01:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello again! I have spent the afternoon writing a new art - WAGR P and Pr classes < I know I've already made P and Pr arts seperatley, but it was always my plan to make a single one. It's vastly superior to my others, having better information, templates, referencing and everything. I think it should be okay to upload - i haven't yet - as I'm the only contributor to my previous articles. I think you will agree that the new art is a huge improvement. i'll tell you when it's up! regards, Corporal29 (talk) 12:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

It's done! Check it out at WAGR P and Pr Classes. Cheers, Corporal29 (talk) 02:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Dear SatuSuro, I hope you had a wonderful New Year's Day, and that 2009 brings further success and happiness! ~ YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 04:39, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Archive talk page

Happy New year! Could you please help me with archiving my talk page? thanks. Aaroncrick (talk) 09:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

By the way looks like you've been having nice and hot weather over there this Summer! =P Aaroncrick (talk) 10:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that :) Aaroncrick (talk) 03:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

WAGR X Class

Thanks for the tweaks re the pic of the XA - have added in the name of the beast. Have also added some data re the preserved X's and XA'sSulzer55 (talk) 11:23, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

regency categories

I was adding the regency cats via the navigation templates. Please stop removing the navboxes! I'll look into this and work it out. Jack Merridew 04:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Templates

thank you very much for your advice on this matter Creptes (talk) 06:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Quick Question

Do you know why on one site is says i've made 1767 edits and in 'my preferences' and on another website it says i've made 1851 edits on wikipedia. Aaroncrick (talk) 01:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, just wondering. WOW you've made an amazing amount of edits!! AMAZING effort! Aaroncrick (talk) 03:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

About right, i was creating some articles today and i was about to create a Country Club Tasmania article, then i remembered that it got deleted last time i added it. Do you think i should give it another go in my sandbox and add it with more info and more references. Aaroncrick (talk) 03:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

The annoying thing about Tassie articles is that there is rarely any editors editing the articles. So you may not edit on an article for weeks and it still be the same when you come back. Thanks for your advice. Aaroncrick (talk) 03:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I wonder if the GAN for York Park will be reviewed before Christmas?? Could be a while ;P Aaroncrick (talk) 03:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I added an infobox and more text to the Queenstown Oval article, and deleted some of your work along the way. oops... Aaroncrick (talk) 07:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Hobart

Thanks for the notes. BTW, where are you located? Might I run into you in a capital city tour of this fine country? :) --pfctdayelise (talk) 11:07, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thigh last seen: news peak

Interesting, but I wish they cited the source. And some coherent arrangement of facts. And meaningful content. Writing news stories is certainly a lot easier than contributing here. cygnis insignis 13:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I've dabbled, if I lacked a conscience and gained a degree in PR, I too could turn press releases into noose. This article would seem to undermine their recycling of factoids as "news". cygnis insignis 13:28, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Hig-saw, crypto-jokeology, or journalism? - where did the egg come from did the chicken dross the hoss, or the road, and why the chicken - did it come before the hatch? - i suspect you have a hot potato on hand - Mr and Mrs Plagiarism will be so pleased with such a pleasant child SatuSuro 13:32, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks me old china. One should not put the cart before the horse, but it seems that the egg came before the chicken. Or superciliousness comes before super silliness. Where's the tepid tater, now that I have dropped it. cygnis insignis 14:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

On my redlinked inselberg, elevation unknown. I hope you're planning a visit soon. cygnis insignis 14:18, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

RE: Possible bot tasks

Hello,

I would like to help you, but I don't quite understand what you were looking for... Task 1 - "add WP Indonesia blank cat tags on new Indonesian articles as found in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AlexNewArtBot/IndonesiaSearchResult".

I don't know what you mean by "WP Indonesia blank cat tags." What specific tags/categories did you want added. Should the bot always add the same tag/category or should it pick from a list based on the nature of the article?

Task 2 - "categories in WP Australia with no cat tags"

Did you want a list of subcategories of Category: Australia that are empty or something else?

Thanks, --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:21, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: task 2. OK, I think I understand now. You want a bot to periodically place "{{WP Australia|class=Cat}}" on the talk pages of all sub-categories of Category: Australia. For example, on Category_talk:Ombudsmen_in_Australia, which currently lacks the template. Is that correct? --ThaddeusB (talk) 22:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Bay of Fires

No worries. Come to think of it, the suggested etymology conflicts with the Tasmanian Aborigines article ... I wonder which is right? I found that set of articles after hearing about this documentary on theABC. Happy new year to you also. Enjoy the all too brief respite from the heat wave. Graham87 03:23, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I think you've cut out too much - the 1883 eruption section should be basically a summary of the main article, not just contain the first couple paras. I'll see what I can do. Graham87 04:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm I see that you probably accidentally left the first para in. Maybe the text from the lead section should be moved to the 1883 eruption article, or something. It'll probably straighten itself out eventually. Graham87 04:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

1883 eruption of Krakatoa

Please add tags, as the article has inline citations. The {{citations}} gives the impression that there is no inline ref. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

If it's a split, I will withdraw it immediately. Split from which article??? --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 05:37, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Nomination withdrawn. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 06:03, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note

I am sure you are correct about what you are saying. I'm not nominating material just because it's "paranormal", I'm systematically checking all the paranormal articles and pointing out the ones that are most problematic. Any improvements that can be made so an article is an obvious keep is just as good as deleting a bad article, IMHO. ScienceApologist (talk) 21:38, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Southeast Asia stubs

I don't see that Indonesia stubs were in any way "tied into" Southeast Asia stubs, nor any relationship made or implied between the Indonesia project and Southeast Asia project. Category:Indonesia stubs was merely included in Category:Southeast Asia stubs along with all other Southeast Asian nations' stub categories. Indonesia is geographically considered part of the region of Southeast Asia. It is a member state of ASEAN. As I see it, users looking for stub articles about Indonesia have every reason to look under Category:Southeast Asia stubs, and users looking for stubs about Southeast Asia can't reasonably expect stubs about Indonesia to be excluded.

Adding a parent category to a category does not necessarily say anything or change anything about it, provided of course the categorization is accurate - which in this case I believe it to be. It is just organizing Wikipedia to increase its usability. If there is some special reason why Category:Indonesia stubs should not be included in Category:Southeast Asia stubs, please explain it. I intend to re-add the category. I may also re-add Category:Asia stubs, if it helps - please offer your opinion. • Lainagier • talk • 23:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Water security in Australia

Water security in Australia might be of interest. Happy New Year dinghy (talk) 11:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

no, nothing to do with water security - just that I prefer to use an existing sub-heading on other user's talkpages, as you know. So I'm replying to your recent message after you saw that I'd made a few minor changes toGoldfields Water Supply Scheme. You mentioned a book you thought might be useful to me re: improvements to the article. Any details? So far, I've found some good stuff in the last few days in order to make some useful additions, but thought I'd enquire about the item you mentioned in case it trumps everything else I've gathered.GlenDillon 06:12, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Darling thingy

It sounds like a lot of work - and of course there is no deadline. Making note of a name change in Wikipedia isn't an easy task ... you think you've covered all the articles and then six months later you find one that you've missed! Graham87 01:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

The arrows aren't working for me, but that could be because of JAWS, and I can't find anything wrong with the table. Just to make things more complicated, the BOM also uses rainfall districts as well as forecast districts, but I'm not sure if they're worth mentioning.Graham87 01:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: New eds (Rizal Ramli)

I have a feeling you don't understand the purpose of tags. They are not an indication that the article needs to be deleted. They are there to let current and future editors know how they can help improve the article.

You seem to think I am out to "get" this article. Far from it. I saved it from speedy deletion, and I think it is a worthwhile subject. Articles about people from non-English-speaking countries get unfair treatment from deletion-happy editors, especially when they are drafted by editors whose first language is not English. Short of writing the whole article myself, the most I can do is point the way to the parts of it that need work, so that other people won't delete an important article. That is why the tags are there. Rklear (talk) 05:09, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Hotcat

Just went through preferences the other day and found hotcat! Now i know how to had categories to articles, because the other day i didn't know what you were on about. :b Aaroncrick (talk) 10:02, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

WP Tasmania

Your right the project is practically dead :( Your probably the main contributor and you live thousand of miles away! I Can't even get a reply from Chuq. I was going through some project members contribs and some haven't edited for over a year! Aaroncrick (Tassie Talk) 12:47, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia may be near extinction in 20 years time and us brainy Tasmanian's will then discover it! Bit like the Financial crisis. Nothing much has changed recently, Tassie is coping the best out of any state in Australia, but in 5 years time, when Australia has another boom Tassie will then be in a financial crisis. Although i did see something in 08 that i though I'd never see; a crane in the Launceston skyline, yep taken 50 years but better late then never the locals seem to think. Did you do anything in poor old Launnie? Aaroncrick (Tassie Talk) 13:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

You got hailed on LOL! Never been to the wild west coast but i heard it's cold and rugged. Although friends went to Strahan last year and it was 37. That may not seem very warm for you living over in Sunny Perth but front page of the news stuff here. I'd just have to make a century in club cricket and would be on the front page.Aaroncrick (Tassie Talk) 13:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

haha, my pop was born in a barn full of pigs and cows in Zeehan, (that pretty much sums it up) although that was probably the norm 65 years ago. :) I made a life promise to never again visit Burnie! I was going to take some pics but couldn't find anything to take a picture of!! The only decent thing there was a large cruise ship and the Port was next to a wood chip mill (I think thats what it was) and all the passengers were being taken away in old rusted buses. Made me cringe every time i saw them Aaroncrick (Tassie Talk) 13:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Mudah-mudahan

Thank you. BTW on 29/30 December 2008 or 1 Muharram 193... (I forget the Javanese Islamic year) I was in Solo witnessing the Suran and the procession of the holy buffaloes. Meursault2004 (talk) 07:02, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

The good news is: I made some photos. The bad news: I couldn't see the buffaloes. I could only see the crowd .. So the pics are of the crowd :-) Meursault2004 (talk) 13:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

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Geraldton-Dongara

What would be an appropriate title to (red)link to when referring to the rail line between Geraldton and Dongara?Hesperian 04:08, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Margarethe Selenka

I still have the article and another book here (from a library). If you can specify which statements are so controversial they require an inline citation, I can try to give a reference... Just adding the template didn't help me a lot :-( Woodwalker (talk) 09:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: So when

I don't know. Unfortunately, I probably won't be able to do it this time. Pity, the money is good. :( -Mark 14:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

....then

Hi, thanks for your interest in the edits I have created in categories of Indonesia; I hadn't really seen much use of WikiProject tags on categories before; I'll add those tags in the future. The islands of Indonesia are a little confusing, I was planning on continuing with the islands category task tomorrow, including pruning. And, I must ask, why is 20+ items per category a guideline? Is that a WP:Indonesia guideline? --Mr Accountable (talk) 07:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I will take a look at Islands of Indonesia, I have some categorization experience and topics likeMaluku Islands seem to be the most complicated I've seen. Putting enough time into the task, the end results should be good. It might pay to put popcats on underpopulated categories oneself, I will do this, the smaller categories should grow, including articles related to government, history, culture, tourism, surfing etc. + 1 Some recent new articles I've worked on include Port Authority of Thailand, Vietnam Inland Waterways Administration (which needs a list of river authorities added) and Port Klang Authority, a caretaker port authority. In thinking about the government of Indonesia, and especially the maritime government of Indonesia, it helps to have a "basic categorical infrastructure", so to speak, in place. +2 I was thinking of trying to adjust the items in Category:Provinces of Indonesia so that Category:Riau, for instance, might be changed over to Category:Riau Province. It would be a lot of work, but it might be worth-it. There might be a political issue involved, viz something like Category:Arkansas, which is a top US state category and should probably be renamed to Category:State of Arkansas; viz "if topics like Nigerian States and Indonesian Provinces use a more complete geographical name, then why shouldn't the US and Canada?" So, I will try to see if there is any support for this big project and I will try to be political about it.--Mr Accountable (talk) 21:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, do any of those issues have to do with corporations, infrastructure, government and/or commerce of Indonesia? How about Fishing Port of Jakarta or organizations from this list at Portworld, Indonesia as topics? --Mr Accountable (talk) 22:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

...which I mention as corporate and government, Asia and Africa, is my activity on the Wikipedia. In the case of Malukus and lots of other archipelagic situations involving connecting and adjoining straits and bays, contiguousity with larger bodies of water, sub-archipelagoes, quasiuncategorizable islands, and especially government provinces, a multiplicity of categories serves not to overcategorize, but to create ease for the user. it's like a puzzle, the user should have the answers. If someone in an office in teh city has a freighter full of sugar cane that on its way to the Kai Archipelago, and it needs to get to the right place, one should be able to look it up on a Blackberry on the way to dinner. Or something like that.
ConsiderCategory:Minneapolis, Minnesota | Category:Saint Paul, Minnesota | Category:Minneapolis-St. Paul. --Mr Accountable (talk) 04:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, when I write Medan Port Authority or whichever, and there's no category for the facility which is on an island, or the satellite town isn't can't be put in a district category, have to go back to the basic works. Especially with corporate articles, which get challenged very easily compared to government agency or subdivision articles. If someone wants to go through looking through the provinces and districts, politically, it should be doable, and if someone wants to go through geographically using a local airline itinerary or a boat, it should be doable, if a scientist wants to go through looking at volcanoes or plate-associated groupings, it should be doable, and also culturally, if two subarchipelagoes have the same language group, as well.. --Mr Accountable (talk) 04:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The regencies - that's what I need to spend some time with, not completely familiar with this yet; I should be able to get farther with this after I do so. Will read. --Mr Accountable (talk) 05:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your advice. BTW, i will do my best. C H J L ^Discuss 09:00, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, i'm sure i can welcome them although i'm not fluent in english. About the debates, they chose me as the mediator and i tried my best on there, the articles that i've done, i guess they are just simple and i did it with basic english, so we can fix them together if we have enough time, if i want to make an good article i will put in my subpage. BTW, what the reason that you should removed the early life of Raja Ali Haji, it has the sources.C H J L ^Discuss 14:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Yeah i know, but the family tree is often see in another biography articles. BTW, so far i don't do any vandalism. I'm a native speaker of Indonesian, of course i know all about Indonesian language. Please give me comments use just a little Indonesian or if you able to speak Mandarin Chinese write it, it helps me to more understand than you use english at all. C H J L ^Discuss 14:41, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I know SatuSuro, your suggestions are help me to do better in the future. And i wish you still want to give me any suggestions in the next time. BTW, why don't you improve your Indonesian like me want to improve my english? Haha! Chinese is not bad too! We born is for try every positive things, right? Well, good night. Tomorrow will be better! C H J L ^Discuss 14:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, i will change the edit summary. Cheers! C H J L ^Discuss 11:03, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Of course i checked it first before i removed them. I still want to clean up some unarranged articles, but trust me, i will make some disruptive edits and i will not remove the important red link. C H J L ^Discuss 11:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, but i see from my experiences and another wikipedians that i've ever known, they are lazy to find the correct name for the article, it makes they guess no article about it. Although we can find in search or the search page could show the similiar word. But is not really useful. So i make a lot of redirects that show to the readers to find anything that they want. C H J L^Discuss 05:38, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Well.. Well.. Calm down! Saya tidak gila, haha! I won't do for any articles if the title is familiar for innocent reader of Wikipedia. Ok! The Siti Hartinah is not familiar title for Mrs. Tien Soeharto. So i made a lot of redirects for easier searching. C H J L ^Discuss 08:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Barack Obama

I notice this article listed as mid-importance to the Indonesia project. hmmm. Low at best I'd say. --Merbabu (talk) 14:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

As a US citizen, I might say mid to high, at least for the next 4 to 8 years. Obama has already done well for Hawaii, Kenya and Chicago, why not Indonesia as well? As Kennedys with Cape Cod, Ronald Reagan with Illinois high school football, Jimmy Carter with peanut farming, Bushes and West Texas .....sorry to kibitz. --Mr Accountable (talk) 21:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Heheheh as about close to betelguese you can get on my radar :) Sorry guys he is about of zilch relevance to what I look at these days - I am less and less interested - cheersSatuSuro 22:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Obama is the most multi culti of all presidents. --Mr Accountable (talk) 04:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Aus politics articles ...

Ergh, they're a big minefield! I'm starting to lose it hear as well ... been thinking too much about page history and whether this revision goes with that revision. Graham87 14:29, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

BBPM

Thanks for you email. The last para is just "stream of consciousness" and not encyclopedic. I'd be inclined to delete it or at the very least move it to the Talk page for discussion. Hope this helps. Johnfos(talk) 20:37, 28 January 2009 (UTC)