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You all have been most kind and I can't thank you enough.JaneOlds (talk) 17:31, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Ted Nash on Don Ellis Live at Montreux

Thanks for the clarification Jane - I wasn't too sure which one it was but figured a 17 year old might be too young for Montreux - I stand corrected DISEman (talk) 07:08, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

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I will inquire with locals for a photo of Johnny Helms — Eurodog (talk) 19:57, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Free Jazz

I notice you changed the order of the Review scores, moving the Penguin Guide rating I had just added below the Allmusic one. I don't care either way, but I can't help but be curious: why did you go to the trouble? Is there some principle involved? Languagehat (talk) 13:31, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

@Languagehat: What I actually did was move the Down Beat rating above the AllMusic score. There's far too much reliance on AllMusic here on Wikipedia and since Down Beat magazine is a very respected publication that has been around since the 1930s I wanted to emphasize its rating. Furthermore, the Down Beat review is mentioned in the "Reception" section with a link to reviewer Pete Welding and I moved it up too.

These ratings can be reordered by renumbering and quite often an editor will use a duplicate number and in essence void another rating. I've encountered this problem many times so I'm constantly checking and tweaking certain articles.

Feel free to renumber the ratings if you wish but please leave Down Beat as number one. JaneOlds (talk) 14:16, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

That makes perfect sense, and I definitely agree there's too much reliance on AllMusic on Wikipedia! Thanks for the quick response. Languagehat (talk) 18:00, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

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Music of South Carolina

Undid revision 680575300 Why?

These are musicians. Lil Ru is actually already mentioned under Notable musicians and bands. Is that where they should be added? I don't think you can limit "musician" to someone who sings or plays music on an "instrument". A musician is one who composes, conducts, or performs music.

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John Williams discography

You wrote on my wall : "My dear Bespin74, You do not "own" the John Williams Discography! Please be aware that repeated uses of the undo function or making the same edit over and over is considered "edit warring" and could result in your being banned."

First of all, change the tone with me. Second, I'm the creator of this Discography and currently it's main editor. I've created also a web disco that is complementary (http://www.goplanete.com/johnwilliams/music/disco/albums.htm). I was currently standardizing the terms to split correctly the difference between the trues reissues and the "releases" on alternative support (those albums released on a mono LP and also a stereo LP by the same time). In the Wiki disco, I really don't want to write the Label numbers, so... I can't simply write "Release in 1960, Columbia, Stereo". It's ambiguous. Does it refer to the main entry? No, in this case I want to state clearly that another LP was also released, but this time in Stereo. So for these cases, I've decided to write "Also released" instead of just "Released".

It's my choice, and I was just trying to standardize all , but then you came in.

Your edits are welcome, but please, let me finish my standardization.

Thanks.

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Columbia, South Carolina

Jane, I saw your note on John from Idegon's talk page and wanted to write. I understand your concern about adding Dylann Roof to the Columbia, South Carolina article. This evil person brought nothing but misery to the lives of many.

A part of Wikipedia I've edited extensively is the history of Mississippi, and frequently that history includes terrible abuses of human rights, such as slavery, lynchings, and segregation. But to exclude that would be to distort the facts, which Wikipedia editors strive not to do. Wikipedia is, after all, an encyclopia, and its readers want clarity.

For that reason a cornerstone policy on Wikipedia is the need to keep a neutral tone, and under the umbrella of neutrality is that Wikipedia be free of editorializing. This is better explained in what Wikipedia is not. The evil killer you wanted removed from the Columbia article is just that, but he is "notable" by Wiki standards, and his evil has been widely reported. Readers will quickly come to the same conclusion about Roof and his actions, but sadly, it is now part of Columbia's history. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:31, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Stan Kenton

Thanks Jay for pointing out the "live" discrepancies with the Kenton albums from the Rendezvous Ballroom and the Riverside Hotel - I note that Capitol Studios had some teething problems in the early years and this probably contributed to the use of alternative recording sites. DISEman (talk) 01:01, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

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Peter Gunn (song)

I have really slow Internet and don't try to do research at home, but at least now I have this reminder to do research at the library where the Internet is faster.

It takes a lot of effort but I can listen to KKOV online. Once I have been to a web site such as Wikipedia, it is much faster. So KKOV plays this Isabel Rose version a lot. Their music is supplied by America's Best Music, used by many radio stations nationwide, which would seem to make the song notable. I knew I was taking a risk not researching it to make sure the listing was justified. But now I have this reminder to research it.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:26, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Frank Rosolino lead

HI, I've opened this discussion on the Frank Rosolino page regarding the lead. Thanks. Rockypedia (talk) 14:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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First call

It's not obvious to me what a first-call Hollywood studio musician is. I doubt it's obvious to the majority of readers. I find embellishments such as "first call" and "prominent" slightly cloying and insistent, even if true. Perhaps especially if true. I know that because these terms are sourced they don't violate WP rules against puffery and peacock terms. It's simply my own preference, a matter of style perhaps, to let the facts speak for themselves in an encyclopedia and avoid the odor (ordure?) of promotion and advertising. I see so much of that on Wikipedia.
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Bill Holman page

I appreciate your help on the Bill Holman page but please let me try to do some work on this before it comes to a conclusion in the next week or so. There are a number of corrections and additions that have to be made. The page has been woefully inadequate for years now. As an editor that has worked on a number of jazz/composer/musician pages and I actually know Willis this will take while. I am trying to make the page far better formatted as to other like pages; the credits were very poorly done years ago. Holman's credits should actually be a separate wiki page but that is a great deal of time in addition to getting the basic page cleaned up.

A fully edited page that I have done can be seen with Gary Foster.

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Terry Gibbs revert

Should that Terry Gibbs material be sourced?
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Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page Columbia, South Carolina has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. The summaries are helpful to people browsing an article's history, so it is important that you use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did. Feel free to use the sandbox to make test edits. Jane, you've been warned before about mislabeling vandalism edits. In the edit in question, an editor substituted an unsourced figure for capacity of an areana for another unsourced figure. Who are you to say he did that to damage the encyclopedia (because that is what vandalism is). Frankly, it makes more sense to me that the capacity of the arena would be the same for two different teams playing the same game than it would for it to be different. Best solution would be to source it. John from Idegon (talk) 13:05, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

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