User talk:Jacknote

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Hello, Jacknote, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Dimitrie Pompeiu

Hi there. The article you created, Dimitrie Pompieu was redirected to Dimitrie Pompeiu because it is a common misspelling (ei, not ie). The subject already existed. Cheers and happy editing! - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 13:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean. Every reference on the existing article page lists the spelling as ei, not ie. Would it help your confusion to know that the name origin is not French, but Romanian? I could guess that the confusion in spelling might come from the fact that he spent time in France... Are you saying that everyone else has the name wrong?? Please explain. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 11:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Arjun Krishnamachar

A tag has been placed on Arjun Krishnamachar requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Dethme0w (talk) 04:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been restored in your userspace here - User:Jacknote/Arjun Krishnamachar. When the article is rewrutten to demonstrate that the subject meets Wikipedia's guidelines for inclusion it can be moved back to the main article space. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 05:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

see here for some comments. The article doesn't say why he is notable. He works for a firm, so do a lot of people. What makes him special? Find what that is, source it and you may be on the start to somewhere. I will leave the standard welcome message below this. I hope it helps. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 07:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - saw your note on Mattinbgn's talk page. Mattinbgn noted on the article talk page It would help if you explained why he is notable, explained what a "quant" is and explained why he is a "wall st legend" I have no idea what a quant is - wouldn't mind knowing. A principal of a hedge fund run by a wall-street legend does not make somebody notable necessarily. See firstly Wikipedia:Notability (people) for our guidelines. Specifically has he:

received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them?
made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his field?

It is not at all clear from the article

Regards --Matilda ^talk 07:47, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Matilda for helping out. Hi Jacknote. You have explained to me what a quant is but you need to include the information in your articles. Look at the article on Myron Scholes for example. See how that article clearly spells out what the subject has done that is notable so that a non-expert on the subject can understand. Merely saying that the subject works somewhere does not demonstrate notability and even if I was to allow the article to stay, eventually someone else would delete it. See Wikipedia:Your first article for some guidance. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 08:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Thanks for explaining quants: - ) Nobody is going to stop you writing articles, but your articles might not be allowed to take space in wikipedia unless they meet our wikipedia guidelines. Please read the notability guideline on people carefully. You say But they were significant employees in salomon as one of the first quants, Also they were principals in Long Term Capital Management which means they are often mentioned in a lot of wikipedia articles....not to mention excessive mention and praise in books... At WP:Bio we state
That person A has a relationship with well-known person B is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A); see Relationships do not confer notability. However, person A may be included in the related article on B. For example, Brooklyn Beckham and Jason Allen Alexander are included in the articles on David Beckham and Britney Spears, respectively, and the links, Brooklyn Beckham and Jason Allen Alexander, are merely redirects to those articles.
Being the "first quant" sounds to me as potentially notable - you just need to have some references citing reliable sources - see our guideline at WP:RS. Otherwise perhaps these people should be mentioned (briefly) within the articles on those firms. I hope you enjoy editing here. Regards --Matilda ^talk 10:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just had a look at the New York Times ref - he is a mention only in passing and on the basis of this ref doesn't look notable to me. The Wharton Alumni page also doesn't make clear why he is notable. Regards--Matilda ^talk 10:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - you wrote

Yeah they are mentioned only in passing (everybody wants to not mention failure, you see...) But they were the first quants and these guys were famous on the street for being very rich and for getting insane bonuses (not to mention the mystique they carried, They used pHD level maths which very few people at that time understood.....It gave them a 'exotic' air...)

Personally I don't beleve in this notability bullshit, what is notable for you might not be notable for me and vice-versa, what I'm trying to say is that notability of a person is entirely subjective and trying to define notabilty in rigid objective terms is a pointless excercise........

Also, there's little point in writing articles if it immediately gets deleted.

I don't think it is impractical to include them on the articles of the firms they work simply because they are so many.....I can remember four or five and there must be more...... Awaiting your reply-Jacknote (talk) 06:18, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Notability is a relatively objective term on Wikipedia and is basically done in association with verifying against reliable sources. To me being among the first quants, getting insane bonuses, having a mystique, using PhD level maths are all good reasons that they are probably notable, what you need to do is verify those assertions with relible sources. A passing mention in the New York Times won't cut it (as per the ref you had already provided), but I would be surpeised if you can't uncover more sources. Without sources however it breaches not only our notability guidelines but probably also our policy against original research.

If you draw my attention to them, I happy to have a look at articles you have written and make suggestions (hopefully constructive suggestions) or discuss the points in relation to our policies. Regards--Matilda ^talk 06:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]