User talk:JJBullet/Archive 4

Serious concerns about your competence and motives here. (Bots/Adoption/Hat Collecting/Editing other users pages/Common.js/Multiple accounts)

Hi there. First off, can I start by saying I really love to see young new editors like you wanting to come to grips with editing on Wikipedia? That's because today's new learners can become the great editors of the future - and we need them. Many editors cock up along the way, and end up getting permanently blocked, and I fear you are on that path. I would like to steer you back onto the right course. So I would like to offer you a supportive, but rather stern talking to.

Editing other's user pages:Today, apropos of nothing, you posted this new topic on my user talk page, demanding to know why I had added your username to my proxy watchlist. I hadn't; you had added your name there yourself. Three times! (diff, diff, diff. Not to mention adding this.) When I looked into it, I found you'd also had the cheek to edit my personal "To Do" list, adding some obscure rock band, repeating it with four consecutive edits (diff).

Now, as I said to you on my talk page holding reply, editing other users' pages without good cause is regarded very dimly here. But far worse is when a keen but incompetent editor barges around like a bull in a china shop. Experienced editors start to wonder about their motives. That's when WP:NOTHERE and WP:CIR then might come into play.

Scripts: On investigating, it transpires you installed the common.js files of a number of editors into your own common.js file. Now, I can't find a rule that says you aren't allowed to do that. But what a blooming stupid thing for you to do! It seems you've loaded everything from my own common.js page, plus that of @PrimeHunter, Kurousagi, and Martin of Sheffield: without any idea what the scripts on those pages were going to do. So you clicked a few of the fancy new links you'd got from me, including my use of PageCollector script, and then had the temerity to demand why I'd added your name to one of my subpages. What other harm might you do with the scripts of these other users? Please deinstall my common.js file from your own common.js file immediately, plus those of all the other users (unless they say it's OK.) Load scripts individually and test each one first, in future please.

Hat Collecting: You should read WP:HATCOLLECT Your approaches listed here and some of the links from there (example) demonstrate you are trying to gather permissions you clearly don't have the experience for. I very much doubt there ever was an event planned at your college for which you sought Event Coordinator rights (see here and here), just as I don't believe you are a bureaucrat on Scratch Wiki as you claimed here. In fact, I checked. You aren't Nor are you an admin there, though I did notice that you have only made around 600 edits in total there, and that on your eleventh edit you were already enquiring about becoming an admin there. I don't propose to identify you on that site, but you are extremely easy to find. And I shall assume good faith and treat your Women in Red Project Card as just a joke.

Bots: I am alarmed that you think you're going to create useful bots; others obviously do, too. (see here and these:diff, diff).

Offering adoption:. You are not experienced enough to offer to adopt other users. What on earth makes you think you are competent to assist others? I have removed your entry] on the WP:AAU page as this serves only to mislead other editors and will lead to wasted time and demoralisation of good faith editors. Hopefully one day (assuming you don't get yourself blocked), you might be able to support others. But right now I'm trying to support you by pointing out the things you need to attend to, and that includes you also removing the Adoption userbox from your own userpage - that also serves to mislead others too, and is not acceptable in your case. I shall remove it if you do not.

Not here: So, my friend, where does all this lead? Well, of the 352 edits you've so far made here, just twenty have been to mainspace articles. Your presence here is in danger of becoming a serious time-sink for everyone else, and that WP:NOTHERE or WP:CIR might apply to you. I for one have spent over three hours wading through your predominantly pointless edits here, and in crafting this advice to you. But you can turn things around: you are keen enough to become a good editor, but you must take it one small step at a time. From now on, focus only on making positive edits to mainspace articles. Steer clear of permissions, bots, scripts and gaining permissions, and do some actual editing to improve this encyclopaedia and to gather some basic skills of how articles are enhanced here. If you fail to act on the advice I have given you I fear there is little future for you on Wikipedia. Your bumbling around, constantly apologising for your lack of understanding in complex areas must cease. It's simply unacceptable, and there's a place for that if it continues. Rest assured that from now I shall, indeed, be monitoring all five of the accounts you have created (Jervvg, JJBullet Test1, JJBullet Test and TemplatesFTW)). Only edit from this one, or you could face a block for WP:SOCKPUPPETRY. Sorry to be so blunt with you - but for your own good I think you need it. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:31, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For information: the scripts in my common.js are harmless, they flag up errors that I use to correct references and citation and the links between them. I don't mind people copying them (that's how I got them), but with permission and understanding. If my scripts run you will see red and brown errors on pages which are fine apart from technical errors and I suspect you wouldn't know how to fix them. You may not like it, but Nick's comments above read to me like good, caring advice and I would commend them to you. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:00, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Let me start of by saying i am extremely sorry for what has been going on, if you didnt know i am on the Autistic Spectrum and have got Aspergers ADHD RAD among many others, ""a case of a fairly bright kid who seeks recognition and lots of fancy hats, but doesn't know enough to drive a big car yet"" as you pointed out (Nick) so yes i sometimes might feel the need to be recognized, that is only because all my life I've been a nobody and finally i have the chance to prove myself.--JJB ☎ 09:57, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Martin of Sheffield, Thanks --JJB ☎ 09:54, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, JJB, thank you for that reply, and thank you for doing as I asked and quickly removing the AAU Userbox and the scripts from your common.js file. That's appreciated. First off, you're not a nobody and, yes, you can prove yourself here. But I really need you to work out the right way of doing that before you do end up in that 'car crash'. We have some amazing editors here who are 'on the spectrum' and who contribute really great things and will become - or already are - fantastic expert editors or brilliant administrators. You are certainly not alone here, and I want you to become brilliant too. Just take a look at Category:Wikipedians with autism and especially the contributions being made by a nice young man called Thegooduser. If you could emulate their contributions, I would be proud of you, and I suspect your family would too. So, you can prove yourself here, but that's not by charging in and doing stuff that you don't understand; it's by making good quality contributions to the encyclopaedia, and by understanding how things work. Take it slowly; ask for help; don't rush into doing things without being sure it's OK, and read our many help pages (see Help:Contents). My cards on the table: I have little to no understanding of the needs and challenges of those who have the conditions you describe. But I know enough to respect the fact that, if they don't mess up, they can be stunningly great Wikipedians because, let's face it, we need people with an obsessive attention to detail to make this encyclopaedia even better than it is today. So, I hope they'll forgive me, but I'm going to ping Dlohcierekim who is the only one of our Administrators here who self-identifies with having Aspergers. I'm not asking them to look over your contributions, or to offer you more warnings (I think I've done enough of that already for you to get the message, haven't I?) But I just wonder if they might be able to offer you any guidance that I am incapable of giving because of my own lack of understanding of your needs. I am really happy to see you recognising the need to slow down and work on the basics of editing, and I honestly wish you well in carving out a brilliant future on Wikipedia. Just don't mess it up - that's all I ask. I will be checking on how you're doing, but always ask other editors, or at the Teahouse whenever you're unsure what's the best thing to do. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:09, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay in response. I've been busy in real life putting out the raging dumpster fire that was my plumbing and some other things. I find my Asperger's useful in making frequent repetative edits like revertng vandalism and tagging for CDS. However, it i imortant to be 100 % accurate in doing this. One must double or even triple check before reverting vandalism or tagging for CSD. Espescially if the tools automatically warn the user. Bad reverts and bad CSD taggings are more damaging than the vandalism or poor page creation they deal with.

Also, make every edit count. Pointless edits detract from the purpose of building the encyclopedia. I made thousand of edit by hand before requesting the autmated tools. I even laid on my own warnings by hand. Don't be in a hurry. The edits mount up very quickly, especially if one is as compulsive as i a. Hope this helps. DlohCier ekim 07:58, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that, it really helps--JJB ☎ 10:44, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

May you join this month's editathons from WiR!

May 2019, Volume 5, Issue 5, Numbers 107, 108, 118, 119, 120, 121

Hello and welcome to the May events of Women in Red!

Please join us for these virtual events: