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Thanks

Yeah it was just some gibberish I put in the category field while I was playing around with AWB. It wasn't supposed to go on the articles!! Luckily it only applied to my last dozen or so edits. Thanks a lot for letting me know, I appreciate it. Jevansen (talk) 22:38, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Commons deletion

Your opinion on a nomination for deletion at Commons would be appreciated here, thanks, DR04 (talk) 19:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Spam links

New and not sure what's wrong with some links I posted? AltsoundsMissM (talk) 15:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)AltsoundsMissM

Just Breathe

look, I gave u proof that Just Breathe is the 2nd single, but u keep ignoring it and u put it into the other charted songs section. What makes u think Just Breathe is not a single?76.110.128.158 (talk) 16:35, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

what do u mean youtube's not reliable? their website, their facebook, myspace, twitter, youtube pages are ALL RELIABLE!!!!76.110.128.158 (talk) 14:37, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I'm a little late to this discussion. I stopped following the Pearl Jam articles so I don't know if this has been resolved. But if not, this should be treated similarly to the split single for Rape Me and All Apologies. The single was a double a-side split single for Got Some/Just Breathe, and is available for purchase here: http://www.amazon.com/Got-Some-Just-Breathe-Pearl/dp/B002U086V8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1262913377&sr=1-1-5- (talk) 01:21, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

OK computer

Whats wrong with the information about the album Radiodread by East Star All Stars? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Perrygordons (talk • contribs) 20:18, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Let's Dance on CD

Hello, I noticed you removed my note that Let's Dance was put out on cd in '83 and that it was the first Bowie cd (at least the first full-length album, excluding compilations - ChangesTwoBowie may have been out before). "Not in the UK" - are you implying it didn't appear on cd in Britain at the time or that he'd issued earlier cd's there? I checked with discogs.com and it did appear on cd in the US in 1983. I know Let's Dance was around on the new format in Europe too in the 1980s and with the magnitude of the marketing and the cd player being the new gadget of the day I feel sure he'd have put out the album on cd quickly in Europe as well. There's no notices as far as I know that any other album ("Ziggy Stardust"? "Scary Monsters"?) preceded it. Strausszek (talk) 17:38, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Source for UK album chart

Hey, looking over the In Utero article, I see there's a book reference used to cite the album's peak on the UK album chart: the book is "Roberts, David (ed.). British Hit Singles & Albums. 19th edition. HIT Entertainment, 2006. ISBN 1-904994-10-5, p. 396". I'm trying to get Achtung Baby to featured status and one of the problems we're having is providing references for a few countries' charts. I traced the reference's addition to the In Utero article back to you - would you happen to own a copy of the book? If so, could you confirm the UK album peak for Achtung Baby was #2, and provide me with a page number? I'd appreciate it, thanks. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 01:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for providing me with that citation information. I just might ask for your help again with some other albums in the future, if that's OK with you. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 15:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Just a word

Hey, thought I'd pop in and say hi. I keep browsing through Bowie's discog and every time I think "wow, that's monumental". Plus BPI is back up. Hallelujah. Have any short/long term projects coming up? RB88 (T) 16:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Black Eyed Peas discography/archive2

Hi, you reviewed this when it was at FLC nearly a year ago. If you get the chance, can you review it again to see if your previous concerns have been resolved? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 21:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Flickr photos

Hello, JD554! I have a favour to ask you, if you don't mind. I was searching for a main photo in the Lily Allen article, since the ones that are on Commons are mostly older ones. I found this one at Flickr and I was wondering if it could be brought to Commons, and if so, how? Thank you in advance! --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 19:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Notable

I think a producer of Duran And Roxy is notable....sorry. Have a nice day.andycjp (talk) 12:26, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

deleting The Killers personal pages

I'd like to know how we can keep a personal page for ALL of the band member for "The Killers". Let me know if you need more info about them though their work is highly publicized and all similar bands also have personal pages for each band member. Please advise.Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.160.210.254 (talk) 19:11, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

They aren't notable, see WP:MUSICBIO. --JD554 (talk) 19:46, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Dear sir,

Can I explain that The Killers are a multiplatinum international rock band. They have sold in excess of 15 million records, been nominated for 7 grammies, and headlined hundreds of major music festivals including Coachella, Reeding & Leeds and many more which means playing to 100,000s of people on a very regular basis. There music can also be found in the Olympics Coca Cola commericals and many other movies and TV shows.

Below I have copy and pasted what I think is a fairly well constructed personal page for the bassist of the Killers, Mark Stoermer. There are references and I have left open only one set of details (Mark's parent's names). I have also cc'd this page to Robert Reynolds (manager of the Killers and personal friend of Mark Stoermer). He will fill in the details and let me know if any misrepresentations are being made as well. Will you please look this over for any unapproveable wikipedia info or any misrepresentations of which you are aware? I am happy to amend this as you see best to make it wikipedia worthy.

I believe this keeps in the Wikipedia pattern of contemporary bassists including Jared Followill (Kings of Leon) and Christopher Wolstenholme (Muse). If you feel otherwise, please give me instructions why as to why its been removed and what I need to do to keep it up. I am happy to do the same with the other 2 members of the Killers.

To confirm my primary & secondary source please contact Reynolds & Associates of Las Vegas (http://www.reynolds-lawyers.com).

Best, Joe Meservy Intern Reynolds & Associates//Robert Reynolds Management 702-622-6689

Are you attempting to make some form of a legal threat here? --JD554 (talk) 07:52, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely not. I work for the manager of The Killers who also happens to be a lawyer and the lawyer of the Killers and that is all. I am only legitimizing my information on the band by my association. I posted what I felt was a pretty good start at a page for one of the Killers members and I am specifically looking for help in making one that would live up to the standards of wikipedia and provide a page for a musician who is both internationally renowned and is regularly described by major magazines around the world -- these writers want to see his wikipedia page before they interview him or write about him. It is a chronic problem for us with magazines like Rolling Stone, Spin, NME, Paste and more news agencies like CNN, LA Times, NY Times, etc

Looking forward to your response, Joe Meservy Intern Reynolds & Associates//Robert Reynolds Management 702-622-6689 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.169.160.166 (talk) 19:08, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Notability needs to be shown for the individual, not the band. To prove notability for the individual you need to show that there is coverage in multiple independent reliable sources which discuss the individual in detail. You will find all the information you need at WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO, WP:N, WP:RS. If you work for someone closely connected to the band, you must also be careful regarding conflict of interest, please read WP:COI. --JD554 (talk) 20:17, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

"4.Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country." -- I'm not trying to be difficult I just want to create a page which is worthy of wikipedia. I believe it will benefit both wikipedia and the fans that would like to know about the individual band members. What about internationally distributed 'Bass Guitar Magazine' (June 2009)? This has nothing to do with The Killers but more about the individual "Mark Stoermer"-- the cover photo is Mark Stoermer alone and the article focuses on him and his upcoming tour and bass habits. He can also be found as with a focus on him as an individual bass player in the popular Feb 2005 and Feb 2010 "Bass Player Magazine" as well as many others.

Best, Joe Meservy Intern Reynolds Attorneys//Robert Reynolds Management I am a fan before I was an intern. I worked my way to this position. I appreciate your help in figuring out this real dilemma. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.169.160.166 (talk) 01:56, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of The Killers Wikipedia Pages (follow up)

Please consider the follow up I wrote on the earlier post today about the Deletion of The Killers Wikipedia pages. I have also mentioned some other points about this below--

According to the 'Nobility' requirement of musicians on wikipedia; "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria:

Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.

(YES-- please see Discography)

Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

(YES-- Please see the cover of June 2009 Bass Guitar Magazine -- Mark Stoermer is the cover musician. . . he is a world renowned bass player with more than 15 million records sold in 100+ countries). (please see for details The Killers)

Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article.)

(YES--Performed live on the Hit TV Show "The O.C.", has coauthored music featured on the movies: Spider Man 3, Planet 51, Rocky Balboa, The Holiday, The Matador, Southland Tales, How To Lose Friends and Alienate People, I Think I Love My Wife. Has coauthored music featured on: Rock Band Video Game, Guitar Hero 3 Video Game, Guitar Hero 5 Video Game, DJ Hero Video Game and coverage of the Tour De France 2009, Olympics 2008 Coca Cola Commerical, US Open 2009 Closings, Boston Oreills Games, Victoria's Secret Fashion Show 2006. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waytagojoe (talk • contribs) 22:26, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Well done, you've shown that the band is notable, but not the individual members. --JD554 (talk) 07:51, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

"4.Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country." -- I'm not trying to be difficult I just want to create a page which is worthy of wikipedia. I believe it will benefit both wikipedia and the fans that would like to know about the individual band members. What about internationally distributed 'Bass Guitar Magazine' (June 2009)? This has nothing to do with The Killers but more about the individual "Mark Stoermer"-- the cover photo is Mark Stoermer alone and the article focuses on him and his upcoming tour and bass habits. He can also be found as with a focus on him as an individual bass player in the popular Feb 2005 and Feb 2010 "Bass Player Magazine" as well as many others.

Best, Joe Meservy Intern Reynolds Attorneys//Robert Reynolds Management

12. Has been the subject of a half-hour or longer broadcast across a national radio or TV network. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.169.160.166 (talk) 20:10, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Deleting the Killers Personal Pages

In response to your comment: Notability needs to be shown for the individual, not the band. To prove notability for the individual you need to show that there is coverage in multiple independent reliable sources which discuss the individual in detail. You will find all the information you need at WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO, WP:N, WP:RS. If you work for someone closely connected to the band, you must also be careful regarding conflict of interest, please read WP:COI. --JD554 (talk) 20:17, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

"4.Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country." -- I'm not trying to be difficult I just want to create a page which is worthy of wikipedia. I believe it will benefit both wikipedia and the fans that would like to know about the individual band members. What about internationally distributed 'Bass Guitar Magazine' (June 2009)? This has nothing to do with The Killers but more about the individual "Mark Stoermer"-- the cover photo is Mark Stoermer alone and the article focuses on him and his upcoming tour and bass habits. He can also be found as with a focus on him as an individual bass player in the popular Feb 2005 and Feb 2010 "Bass Player Magazine" as well as many others.

Best, Joe Meservy Intern Reynolds Attorneys//Robert Reynolds Management I am a fan before I was an intern. I worked my way to this position. I appreciating your help in figuring out this real dilemma. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waytagojoe (talk • contribs) 20:59, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

I would be grateful for your help with this -- please check my comments alright and write your feedback. I just want to know how I can get a major international rock star who meets the criteria to several of the prerequisites for 'notability' on wikipedia to get his own page.

Sincerely, Joe Meservy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waytagojoe (talk • contribs) 02:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Quite simple, you need to do research. You need to find articles (note the plural) in independent reliable sources that comply with what I've already shown you above. The reliable sources need to comply with WP:RS and WP:N and they must be independent of the band. All you've done is told me there is an article in a guitar magazine - that isn't enough. --JD554 (talk) 08:00, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

More examples:

Mark Stoermer: Studio Brussell (Germany, interview) Lowlands Festival (UK, interview) Bass Guitar Magazine (March/April 2007, interview) Bass Guitar Magazine (June 2009, cover story and interview) Bass Player Magazine (Feb 2005/Feb 2010, interview) Las Vegas City Life (interview) muziek.nl (June 2009, rt before Pink Pop Music Festival, Netherlands, interview)

Here are a handful more articles, I can provide the citations or you may find them at the painstakingly collected thekillersfansite.com which spans interviews from each member of the band in various circumstances. Mark has his own fan club as well. This is a sampling of some of the coverage I can find for him. Please let me know if you need anything else.

Thank you for your help. I want to get their personal pages up and I can provide even more comprehensive interviews and coverage for the other two members of the band as well. They have been honored in their specific instruments by international publications as well.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

Sincerely, Joe Meservy (on wikipedia 'waytagojoe') joemeservy@gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waytagojoe (talk • contribs) 21:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Just want to sign that I wrote that last portion.--Waytagojoe (talk) 22:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not going to give you any more of my thoughts. You prepare the pages in your own userspace and if you can get them up to the standards I have given you, then you can create the articles. --JD554 (talk) 08:47, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

"All Things Must Pass" - number 1 in the UK?

Hi JD, if you could take your copy of The Virgin Book of British Hit Singles out of the bookshelf and bring it over to Talk:All_Things_Must_Pass#Number_One.3F it would be highly appreciated. Cheers. – IbLeo^(talk) 06:25, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. – IbLeo^(talk) 19:16, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Off with Their Heads

Hi there! As I see you are active on the Kaiser Chiefs album page for Off with Their Heads I thought I would link to a comment I made on the album talk page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Off_with_Their_Heads Any input would be welcomed. Thanks. Zarcadia (talk) 18:41, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

mea culpa

Sorry about that. Another editor told me they are tree structures. I guess that shows there are different views of how Wikipedia should operate. Mea culpa. Eagle4000 (talk) 05:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Minor edits

IPs can't mark edits to pages as minor. At least, not to me. 110.32.232.150 (talk) 12:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

No, IPs can't mark edits as minor, I've removed the warning on your user page and replaced it with a welcome, kind regards, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 12:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Use of the start_date template

Hi JD. Out of pure curiosity: I noticed that you put back {{start_date}} in the infobox of Let's Dance {this edit). I wonder what's in your opinion the benefits of using this template. As far as I remember, we removed the recommendation to use it from WP:ALBUM sometimes last year. – IbLeo^(talk) 18:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, no problem. I just wondered if there was a deeper meaning that I missed out on. – IbLeo^(talk) 07:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Help with source reliability

I read here that you own The Virgin Book of British Hit Singles and The Virgin Book of British Hit Albums. Do you think you could help out here, where Chart Stats has yet again popped up as an issue? Thanks in advance, Dabomb87 (talk) 03:20, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks for looking anyway. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:30, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Removals

Please don't simply revert additions of relevant information altogether in the way you did in Karin Dreijer Andersson. It might have been formatted improperly, but I don't see why it would be necessary to remove the information altogether.

Peter ^Isotalo 10:14, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Pasted from user talk:Peter Isotalo[1]

Because of the way you added the information[2] it looked as if you were saying a soundtrack album is available, one isnt't, so I removed it and gave a valid reason in my edit summary. Had you added the prose you did this time[3] I wouldn't have reverted. --JD554 (talk) 11:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

If you want to improve music-related articles you should reformat correct and relevant content rather than simply revert it. Simply expanding on the nature of the technicality doesn't solve anything.

Peter ^Isotalo 12:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Pasted from user talk:Peter Isotalo[4]

Of course it is only possible to reformat and correct if you are given enough information to go on: Your first edit did not do that. I did correct in as much as there is no such album. --JD554 (talk) 12:42, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

I have been editing music related articles on Wikipedia for some time now and I am aware of how to improve them. I do consider removing a non-existent album from a discography to be an improvement even you don't. --JD554 (talk) 14:24, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

The difference between the soundtrack of a film and the separately released album for that soundtrack is not be as immediately relevant to everyone as you might think. At least consider notifying users when you revert them outright.

Peter ^Isotalo 14:28, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

There's no requirement to do so. --JD554 (talk) 14:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Jolly good show.

Ooh, dark electronic pop. By the way, I hoped I've succinctly addressed the flaws with Koavf's edits on the Reckoning page on the talk. If you have anything to add to either of our points, please feel free. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Depeche Mode: yea or nay? WesleyDodds (talk) 10:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas! WesleyDodds (talk) 06:18, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Morrissey needs spellcheck. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year. So I have a stack of Mojo issues from 2000 that I have to return to the library on the 4th. One of the articles is about the making of The Queen Is Dead up until the Smiths' breakup. I'm willing to use it to spruce up either the band or the album page, but only if I have someone to work with. Got the time? WesleyDodds (talk) 12:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

When you get a chance, can you add chart info to Pixies? I'm trying to clean it up to bring it up to modern FA standards, and I noticed there's precious little to nil about sales and chart performance. Given the band was more successful in the UK, your British chart and certification sources will prove useful.

So my laptop got infected with malware. Obviously my Wiki-editing will be less productive until I can get that fixed. Mind keeping an eye on articles I maintain until then? WesleyDodds (talk) 22:48, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I can occasionally turn in spurts of editing using my apartment complex computer lab, but the computer is slow, so don't take that as a sign that I'm back in force. God, this keyboard sucks, too. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

At the moment I'm still restricted to public computers, but hopefully we can both come back with a vengeance in short order. WesleyDodds (talk) 10:48, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

So my computer is up and running again. I've been reading Simon Goddard's The Smiths: Songs that Saved Your Life to work on the article collaborations and realized I "Although focused on the band's music, this is a pretty thorough biographical overview of the group". The result: I'm going to try and turn The Smiths into a Good Article. You heard it first. WesleyDodds (talk)

I don't remember if I asked you this, but do you like We Were Promised Jetpacks? I think you'd dig them, although the Scottish accent is a bit on the heavy side. WesleyDodds (talk) 11:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Banshees page moves

I would draw your attention to my comments at Talk:Siouxsie and the Banshees#Page move war. You have made the last few moves to the ampersand version, so you may be inclined to do it again. Please don't, unless and until there is a consensus to do so at the ampersand discussion on the talkpage. This is a courtesy notice, and not any indication that you act other than in good faith. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:34, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Was wir sind

FYI, The Was wir sind article has been updated. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 09:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Busy bee

Hey, if you haven't noticed, I haven't been around in a bit. Chalk it up to a combination of work, writing, and US tax season. I'll be back around the end of the month. I might drop in from time to time in order to get around to citing some bits in Radiohead that need to be cited, but aside from that I'm going to steer clear from the slippery slope that is my watchlist. Any hand you can lend to maintaing the articles I usually keep an eye on would be much appreciated.

Also, if you want to keep the alt-rock project COTW running until I return, feel free. Each collaboration is meant to begin at midnight every Thursday. If no one picks a topic, I usually pick one, and if there's a tie, I choose the oldes nomination for the collab. WesleyDodds (talk) 13:19, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Connection

So where is a link to your E-mail? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antara-2009 (talk • contribs) 13:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Look in the toolbox on the left hand side of the page, there is a link. --JD554 (talk) 13:41, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Notification|Recommendation

Mr. JD554 (talk), you're contradicting yourself: You talk about the original, really cover for the album and you want to see the simply. But Let’s try to find mistakes: firstly, “The Lovecats” song on the cover as The Love Cats song. Let’s look at he over, second album: Anti-Nowhere League on the cover as Anti Nowhere League, The Back of Love as Back of Love, etc. I sad that on the cover may be no less mistakes then on some “left” Source. By the way, It’s not only Amazon Source prove mine right in this question: It’s also I-Tunes and original song file compilated, as I say, have a title with a question mark. I recommend You not to do such hasty conclusions in the future, and make so unfounded accusations as you tell me on my talk-page. And be polite, and not be unethical behavior in Wikipedia as you did here [5] in your last replique. --Antara-2009 (talk) 12:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC) P.S. If You are first author of these articles about three albums, not recognizing the name of the composer Ed Butt as Edmund Butt is, even disturb me correct the mistace is reductio ad absurdum. Think about it. --Antara-2009 (talk) 12:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Discography articles

Thanks for rating all those discography articles I made, but I have a question. Aren't they list articles? How can they get a c rating/b rating, etc, if there's only two ratings for list articles (list and featured list)? --Prosperosity (talk) 06:38, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Jónsi EPs

I have nominated Category:Jónsi EPs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for renaming to Category:Jón Þór Birgisson EPs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Jónsi albums

I have nominated Category:Jónsi albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for renaming to Category:Jón Þór Birgisson albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Mogwailive.jpg

A tag has been placed on File:Mogwailive.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section I2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:23, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Overlinking at and WP:ALBUM

MoS If you want to change the standard for linking in WP:ALBUM, that is fine with me, but please bring it up at WT:ALBUM; there is no need to go over it on 90,000 album talk pages. Whatever consensus there decides is overlinking can be applied to album articles. Also, overlinking frequently does not apply to (e.g.) lists and infoboxes; it is intended for text. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:30, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

WikiProjects I am not claiming that WikiProject guidelines trump the MoS, but what I am saying is this:

1. Overlinking is generally a problem for the text of articles rather than (e.g.) lists or infoboxes. While it is the case that common terms generally should not be linked, it is not the case that they can never be linked and a list is an appropriate place to make such a link.
2. If it is the case that these should not be linked, then WP:ALBUM should be changed. If WP:ALBUM should be changed, it should probably be discussed at or at least posted to WT:ALBUM (if you are bold enough to just change it yourself.) Changing the formatting at Monster (album) by itself would not be particularly helpful, as 1.) there will literally be tens of thousands of articles that still have this incorrect format. 2.) another editor will likely come along later and change it to conform to WP:ALBUM (as well as all of those other articles), and 3.) future article will be created with the "wrong" formatting, since the guidelines tell you to do just that.
3. I am not convinced that some of these terms actually are common terms (e.g. backing vocalist) in the first place.
4. It is common—although not universal—for featured articles on albums to link the personnel sections as recommended by WP:ALBUM and I do not know of any article that has been promoted to FA where this has been an issue. For the albums which lack this link formatting, many—although not all—have recently been delinked and most—if not all—passed their FAR with linked personnel sections. E.g. A_Momentary_Lapse_of_Reason#Personnel, Adore_(album)#Personnel, Anodyne_(album)#Personnel, Arthur_(Or_the_Decline_and_Fall_of_the_British_Empire)#Personnel, etc.

Simply put, my argument is not that WP:ALBUM trumps everything, nor is my argument that the present guidelines should be the guidelines that are employed. Rather, I am saying that as written, these are what the guidelines are and changing them should be done at the level of the relevant WikiProject rather than in the text of a single article out of 100,000 that would be affected by any change to those guidelines. Personally, I don't really have a horse in this race, but I prefer the guidelines as written. I would be happy to give my input at WT:ALBUM on this matter and if the consensus is to stop linking (e.g.) guitar, I will change my editing to conform to that consensus. I hope this clarifies my position and the rationale I have for reverting. If you decide to continue this discussion at WT:ALBUM or if you want to respond to this directly, please post to my talk. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:52, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Ziggy Stardust

Dear JD554,

Firstly apologies for the length of this, which very definitely exceeds the 100 word guideline!

I don’t want to engage in a major dispute, and I do not intend to undo your undoing of my update to the Ziggy page, but may I gently challenge your reason for doing so, namely that the Billboard Midline chart is a “very minor chart of little importance”?

The Midline chart, it’s predecessors and successors do have some history and industry significance, which date back to 1960 when Billboard began publishing album charts which ranked sales of older or mid-priced titles under the Essential Inventory title. Then, as later, the included sales were of those albums that had already appeared on the main album charts, although it makes for bizarre reading in this day and age, as the main charts in question were the Mono Action Chart and the Stereo Action Chart!

The entry I made on the Ziggy page referred to the 1980s incarnation, which again ranked older or mid-priced titles. The chart held fifty positions and was published on a bi-weekly (and later tri-weekly) basis. It did run for nearly 5 years. Joel Whitburn (who I think most people would recognise as an authority on the Billboard charts said of the Midline chart: "It was a precursor to the Catalog Albums chart. In fact, we use the research for this chart in our Top Pop Albums book."

The “Catalog Albums chart” he refers to is the Top Pop Catalog Albums, a weekly albums chart which ranks the best-selling albums regardless of genre (Billboard now defines a catalog title as one that is more than two years old and that has fallen below position 100 on the Billboard 200). This chart started life in 1991, and is still going.

Whilst I would not try to claim that any of the above challenge the main chart, they are not “very minor” IMHO. They represent the major effort by the industry to inform stakeholders of what was/is selling in a “classic album” sense, and going back to the main topic, Ziggy is an interesting case, because it never became a Dark Side of the Moon, but nonetheless was still selling very respectably one and a half decades after release. That information might be of interest and use to those people who are/were not aware of the other charts. It is undoubtedly of less relevance in the modern context, but, of course, that is not how it should be regarded in a historical sense. It doesn’t feel so minor as to be irrelevant, or at least, it doesn’t to me.

If you follow the second link below, the titles still selling on the last publication of the Midline Chart may be of some interest and/or amusement: - I was amazed to see that CCR’s Cosmos Factory, which I still have a vinyl copy of somewhere, features…

I hope I have provided enough background and information for you to reconsider. Whatever you decide, best wishes.

Here is the hyperlink to the announcement about the New Chart.

Here is the hyperlink to the final chart with Ziggy after 244 weeks.

Dwaddington (talk) 08:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Arcade Fire

Sorry, my mistake. I thought they'd got the name of the lead singer wrong. Rather embarrassing that I didn't know there were two brothers in the band.. Feudonym (talk) 08:40, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Sigur Ros

Dear JD554, i would like to know why you erase the link of sigur ros discograhy,I assume that you known very well the production of this band. I saw the links about this section and i think that it's right to include www.popplagid.com , it's a clear site without spam or software. Please could you uptade the page with this link? Thanks in advance —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.38.169.134 (talk) 22:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I removed the links because your username (assuming User:Popplagid is you) is the same as the website for which you added links to. This is spamming. --JD554 (talk) 06:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi

While I understand that at first glance it might look just an ordinary, unprofessional website, Infodisc.fr is widely considered an extensive and professional database of music industry in France. You will easily see it's been used for years as unchallenged source not only for the article on the Syndicat National de l'Édition Phonographique, but also on each of the many lists detailing number one singles & albums in France per year; at this project and the equivalent pages for other Wikipedias in major languages. For this reasons, it appears to be a perfectly reliable source, despite is lackluster appearance. Later, Citation not needed anymore (talk) 11:08, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Amongst The Waves

the song is getting airplay now and it's charting, so it's officially a single. I gave u sources, but u didn't comply.174.61.35.159 (talk) 12:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The source you have provided shows that the song is getting airplay. That is not what defines a single. A single is something that can be bought, you have not provided evidence to show that is the case. --JD554 (talk) 12:57, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Nirvana discography

You reverted my edits on the Nirvana discography. However some of the sources were from the Billboard website so I think they are reliable.mjgm84 (talk) 07:56, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

The

So I take it you agree with my edits to Alison Moyet? Rothorpe (talk) 16:18, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Right, that's the purist position I originally favoured, so I'm quite happy to keep editing like that. We'll see if anything happens... Rothorpe (talk) 19:58, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Restored MUSTARD

I restored Rothorpe's edits: the addition isn't about mid-sentence. This was discussed a while back BTW, we just forgot to update everything --Jubilee♫clipman 01:55, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

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Hi

Hopefully it works now, I'll try it out and see if it works. Fridae'§Doom | Talk to me 07:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

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Creeper Nowyouseemetalk2me 10:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Gearslutz (continued)

What if its used just to support information regarding Elevado and the techniques he discussed about producing the song? To support this in the article: "To adjust to his playing, Voodoo's audio engineer Russell Elevado had separate outputs from Hunter's guitar connected to a separate bass and guitar amplifier.[1] Elevado has stated that "there was slight bleeding into each other from the pickups in close proximity to each other, but enough separation for me to manage a good sound on both."[1] " Dan56 (talk) 15:38, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Neon Bible

WP:ALBUM#Reception includes the following: "The bulk of the information should be in prose format, though the text may be supplemented with the {{Album ratings}} template, as a summary of professional reviews in table form. " It doesn't appear that the Albums rating template is deprecated. Am I understanding this correctly? Radiopathy •talk• 10:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Reviews in infoboxes

Album reviews are no longer placed in the infobox, see WP:ALBUMS#Reception. Very long and detailed discussions about this took place here, here, here and here. If you disagree with this, please take up at WT:ALBUMS. Thanks --JD554 (talk) 10:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

• This article predates the current shift to WP:ALBUMS#Reception. Therefore these changes should not apply to 2007 albums. If you want to be consistent and dredge through the thousands of album articles and add a reception section then go for it. Snoop God (talk) 18:39, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

RE: The Killers Photos

Hi. I am curious why you removed the photo I placed for The Killers. I noticed that you mentioned permission. That photo was captured via http://www.thekillersmusic.com/gallery (These are photos which have been released to the press). Furthermore, if you have any questions as to permission by artists you may contact any of the contact numbers/addresses at http://reynolds-lawyers.com/ who represent The Killers regarding my direct permission from them. Thank you. Waytagojoe (talk) 22:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at The Beatles

I've started a discussion here that you may be interested in. Radiopathy •talk• 16:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Gorillaz this trip rock

Read article Trip rock —Preceding unsigned comment added by WTF11113 (talk • contribs) 23:06, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

David Bowie pic

Thank you for changing the pic to that one from the Heathen Tour. I'd have used it myself but didn't know about it. I agree that it's better than the Chile photo. I know it's still not recent, but it's a huge improvement over that other picture for sure. I saw a good picture of him in a recent issue of Rolling Stone. Maybe a good, current photo will pop up and we will be able to use it. Nightmareishere (talk) 19:34, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Gearslutz (discussion from WP:AlbumsTalk)

I am continuing this from this section: U said that the reference cant be used for info regarding CHarlie Hunter, but since Elevado wrote it, can it be used for information regarding him? What if its used just to support information regarding Elevado and the techniques he discussed about producing the song? For example, to support this in Voodoo (D'Angelo album) article: "To adjust to his playing, Voodoo's audio engineer Russell Elevado had separate outputs from Hunter's guitar connected to a separate bass and guitar amplifier.[1] Elevado has stated that 'there was slight bleeding into each other from the pickups in close proximity to each other, but enough separation for me to manage a good sound on both.'[1] " Dan56 (talk) 19:26, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Dan56 (talk) 11:45, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

IdbD

It's your choice to remove the link to the IdbD but I'm slightly miffed about your comment that it adds nothing new. The framework for Pegg's book was largely based on my site. Thank you,

Ruud Altenburg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.163.57.59 (talk) 22:25, 6 August 2010 (UTC)