User talk:JBC3/Camelbinky

Camelbinky

Capital District Wikiproject

I would like to invite you to join or at least check out the Wikipedia:WikiProject Capital District. I would also like to thank you for your great edits to Green Island, New York. The wikiproject is a little lacking on the North Country aspects covering Warren, Washington, and northern Saratoga counties and I noticed you have alot of interest on that area and could bring alot to the wikiproject. On the discussion page of the project there is a list of articles that need attention, feel free to add to or adopt an article from it. My personal interest is in history, maps, and roads/highways. I hope to work with you in the future. If you know of good reference sources for Warren and Washington counties, especially history I'd be very interested. user:Wadester16 is the lead editor for wikiproject page and can answer alot of the technical questions about the project and page. Camelbinky (talk) 03:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Siena College

Thank you for bringing that to my attention as I dont believe I have that particular article on my watchlist for some reason. Finding a source may be a bit difficult (online at least). In my personal opinion the location of Siena College should be listed as Newtonville instead of Loudonville due to the fact that across the street from the college is Newtonville Park, and the post office for Newtonville is less than 50 yards away, about 200 yards is the Newtonville Church. I dont know how to reference those as reasons that the college is in Newtonville. The dispute I believe arises from how the post office treats Newtonville. Newtonville Post Office is one of those post offices that does not deliver mail. If you live within the Newtonville ZIP Code (as Siena College does reside within though I dont know how to reference that either) then you are able to get a PO BOX at the post office, BUT you also able to get home delivery (if you so choose) from the Loudonville Post Office. There are many places that have a ZIP Code but dont have home delivery (Round Lake, New York for example). There was a discussion on the Troy, New York page about whether or not Mapinfo qualified as being a Troy business because it has a Troy ZIP Code but it wasnt within the city's boundaries, I believe the consensus was that a ZIP Code does not mean it should get labeled in the article as part of Troy when its in the town of North Greenbush. I dont know if that is a good precedent or not, esp. since I was one of the ones saying that we should go by city boundaries and not ZIP Codes. In this case it is not like Newtonville, New York does not have its own page or anything. Even the Loudonville page states that the college is "in nearby Newtonville" or something to that effect and at least last time I was at the page. The person who had the Siena College page changed from Newtonville to Loudonville seems to be new and still has their talk page as redlink, so I am reluctant to start off their talk page with this kind of discussion as it may spook them from further editing. I'm sure its a good faith edit and not wanting to start an edit war, as I too do not want started. I just dont know how to reference it as such to end any misunderstanding. Hamlets do not have normalized boundary lines but a good reference point is that Loudonville's border with Newtonville is at Burton Lane on US Route 9 and Newtonville's northern boundary with Latham on Route 9 is well marked by a DOT placed sign roughly just south of where Old Loudon Road splits from Route 9/New Loudon Road, basically where Ted's Fish Fry is. There are plenty of places within Newtonville that use the Newton name, the church, PO, and park previously mentioned along with Newton Plaza I and II and several businesses along Route 9 so its not like having Loudonville home delivery of mail has swamped out the identity of this hamlet.Camelbinky (talk) 01:59, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I have found that the Colonie Town Hall, which is directly across from the college, is listed on the official town website as being at 534 New Loudon Road Newtonville, New York. Looking up that address on mapquest shows it to be across from the college. So I dont know if this is anything referencable (if thats a word), or if this is just more circumstantial evidence and not definitive proof. To the person who removed your statement of there being a dispute and replaced it with the mailing address I have offered the compromise of having the statement to an effect of that is the address but that the college is in the hamlet of Newtonville. I am awaiting a response, it could be days or weeks depending on that user's habits on wikipedia. I will keep you appraised on any response. Thank you also for starting to expand Newtonville, New York! I've been swamped with too many projects recently and am trying to concentrate just on History of Albany, New York and on the origin of the name section of the Capital District article, could use some help if you are interested and have time.Camelbinky (talk) 03:40, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I believe we may have an edit war situation in Siena College. Hippo43 apparently does not wish to discuss the matter based on his response on his talk page. He demands reference, which I have already given him the circumstantial evidence I presented to you as well. He refers to it as irrelevant and thinks there "are more important things to worry about". I dont know how to proceed. Could use your help.Camelbinky (talk) 20:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I've put for now as a reference mapquest. The reason is that the address hippo himself puts for the college- 515 loudon road (actually its new loudon road, but I dont want to upset him even more!) does not show up on mapquest unless you put Newtonville instead of Loudonville. Further evidence that a ZIP code does not correspond to where a location actually resides is the wikipedia article on ZIP code, they have a whole subsection on why a ZIP code does not correspond to any real area name. I've given both hippo and the talk page on the college the link. I hope that using mapquest as a source gives us a breather to find something a bit better and hold off an edit war.Camelbinky (talk) 20:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I personally like it, I'll put it in and hope for the best. It is a blog by an individual so I dont know if it'll pass the reliability test. I'm crossing my finger! That was a great find. I'm checking google books right now for any mentioning of Siena College as being in Newtonville because I think but am not sure that the college predates the existence of ZIP codes.Camelbinky (talk) 21:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

This discussion might be better at the article's talk page. For the record, I didn't add the 'who' tag. I also didn't introduce anything about addresses or ZIP codes. I just tried to clean this article up and keep it in line with policy re reliable sources, verifiability and notability. I have added a source from the college stating that it is in Loudonville. --hippo43 (talk) 22:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

For conflict resolution to take up the case at Siena College all the parties need to sign within 7 days. I'm having trouble figuring out what to fill out and everything, but I'm hoping Wadester will help, he's much better at this than I am. If you want to take a stab it, I would appreciate it. Hippo's comment that "you are in the minority" really was the last straw when it is you, wadester, and I all pretty much in the same zone of opinion (even though not exact) against his one opinion.Camelbinky (talk) 02:13, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Please read what a sock puppet is before you accuse people of it

Per Wikipedia:Sock puppetry it is ok to have multiple accounts or edit under IP address only, I am not doing any of the things listed on wp: sock puppetry that are against wikipedia official policy. I have retired the user: Camelbinky account, at least temporarily, as Daniel Case (an admin) is on wiki-vacation and out of the country, he has agreed to look into harrassment against me on that account when he returns which is why I am editing under an IP address and did not wish for you or anyone else to harrass me so I did not advertise who I am, nor was I required to do so. I suggest you keep your comments on discussion pages to the relevant discussion topic per wikipedia rules on discussion page talk. Other people at my work and home do edit using these computers so do not put any sock puppet templates on any IP address of "mine" again please. I do not have to tell you who I am when I edit, I can have multiple accounts if I want, I am not making disruptive edits, vandalizing, or having a "good" account and a "bad" account, I am not making multiple votes in any polls, I am not making multiple supporting comments under different accounts or IP's, in fact since retiring Camelbinky I have made sure to mention that each of my IP accounts are all the same person when it is personally me talking. The fact I did not say they are also the same person (some of the time) as Camelbinky is not relevant nor needed nor required. You handled yourself poorly and I now get "attacked" or harrassed again because of this I will add you to my complaint. With the Camelbinky account retired the IP addresses are the only way in which I edit, you can not claim sock puppetry because I have not done anything that is labelled as sockpuppetry. Please leave me alone. Special:Contributions/24.182.142.254|24.182.142.254]] (talk) 06:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I did not claim you were a sock puppet, but another editor expressed a concern that your IP was, so it was flagged accordingly. Additionally, you admitted that you used the other IP on Talk:Siena College, so that IP was flagged too (and that tag says nothing about sock puppetry. As for being harassed, if your case is that bad, perhaps you should have a non-vacationing admin take a look. If you want include me in your "complaint", I look forward to explaining myself by presenting this from Talk:Administrative divisions of New York#Moving sections around: Ok, believe what you want, dont know what sockpuppetry is but I use multiple computers so yea sometimes my IP address is different when I sign with the four tildes if thats what you are talking about. You want to believe I'm Camelbinky ok, fine. But I just checked his/her user page, it doesnt exist, so I guess I can sign up for wikipedia and take that name if you want me to be that person. This talk page is supposed to be about the topic of the article ONLY, so...since our discussion about that is OVER, I have nothing more to say to you. Have fun. Buh-bye.Camelbinky (talk) 06:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC) As far as handling myself poorly, I disagree with your assessment. The fact that you are being harassed does not shield you from scrutiny if another editor accuses you of sock puppetry. Nor am I the reason you are supposedly being "attacked" or harassed in the first place. As far as suggesting that I keep my comments on discussion pages to "the relevant discussion topic per wikipedia rules on discussion page talk", I don't know what you are refering to. Maybe you could put that in your "complaint". --JBC3 (talk) 23:57, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Note: Camelbinky was not notified on his talkpage that he has a message here, per his request, "Please leave me alone". --JBC3 (talk) 01:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

See also: // User talk:Hippo43/Archives/2009/June#No offence but.. // User talk:Camelbinky#Re 'No offence, but..'User talk:Camelbinky#Re 'No offence, but..' // --JBC3 (talk) 02:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC) Updated:--JBC3 (talk) 06:17, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, at least Polaron took the mature polite way about all this. I'm apologize if I was rude to you, but yes I do feel I am being harrassed and I had brought this to the attention of Daniel Case when I was not aware he was on vacation (actually out of the country) and I brought it to him because he is familar with the situation already. I'm sorry you got all bent out of shape. Read the sockpuppetry guidelines, I did not do any of the things it says you cant do, I am not required to tell anyone who I am unless I am already violating other wikipedia guidelines, when asked if I was camelbinky I did not have to tell the truth, lying is not sock puppetry. I was within my rights to concel my identity. I have nothing against you, I just want to get on with editing the articles I love without people attacking me and not believing facts that I present because of personal problems with me. The facts I present in an argument or in an article are valid true facts regardless of anyone's personal views against. My complaint against Hippo43 is nothing against you, and this is not the place to discuss my view of the situation, which is why I brought it to an admins attention. Instead of running to another admin I felt it was the right thing to wait and edit under an IP instead so I couldnt get harrassed on my talk page, which is exactly what happened the moment my IP identity was revealed, I did not simultaneously add comments to talk pages under both IP and Camelbinky, once Camelbinky was retired I added comments only under the IP, I used the Camelbinky only for the use of the watchlist and to communicate with friends. I'm sorry if thought there was malice or deceict intended towards you or towards anyone other than one particular person. I hope you can understand that. I had much respect for you and your help towards me in various debates, I am sorry this has ruined whatever respect or good will I may have had from you. I will not bother you again. Thank you for your time.Camelbinky (talk) 05:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me?

Just what is your problem? Seriously. I've done more for Capital District related articles than just about anyone in the project, I cleaned up and expaned Albany, New York I created History of Albany, New York and have been the main contributor, I created and got Port of Albany-Rensselaer to GA status, Im the one that asked Gnhnn to create Neighborhoods of Albany, New York and have been the main contributor to it (I was new and didnt know how to create articles at the time, he taught me), I have cleaned up and expaned Capital District, I created and have been the main contributor to Westerlo Island and Watervliet (town), New York and I'm working with user:Doncram on NRHP articles throughout the Capital District by putting history sections on new articles as he makes them to speed things along. But I'm sure you'll now go around to those articles and find mistakes and be all happy when you can change things I put in. You seem to enjoy looking for things I do that are mistakes and things you find issues with. Can you really back off? If you think a geobox is superior to an infobox then say so at the talk page! Go to wikipedia:infobox and read up on infoboxes, I think an infobox settlement is better and more consistent with other wikipedia articles.Camelbinky (talk) 04:44, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Your tone is hostile and is not appreciated. For someone who is supposedly such a great editor you certainly aren't assuming good faith or acting civilly. I do not have a problem with infoboxes vs. geoboxes. I simply informed the editor who went through the trouble of converting to a geobox that there was a discussion started about wanting to change from a geobox to an infobox on Talk:Troy, New York#Geobox. Also, you may want to read Wikipedia:No personal attacks before you try to paint me in such a negative light again. --JBC3 (talk) 05:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I simply decided to treat you as you treated me over that whole "sockpuppet" thing. Abrupt and condescending. If you think how I presented it was a personal attack then perhaps you should reconsider what you wrote to me during that episode? I will admit I shouldnt have sunk that low and should have taken the high road. As for your comment that I think I'm such a great editor 1- that even if I do and even if I was the best editor it has nothing to do with acting civil or assuming good faith; and 2- never said I was, I was simply showing that I have a good history of improving and creating Capital District articles and I do contribute good work here and I have a feeling you personally feel I do not. If you seriously feel I dont contribute good work THEN SAY SO. I'm sick of people on wikipedia being afraid of saying their feelings and being all PC, I think my work speaks for itself and therefore YES, I am a good editor since I have made good articles.Camelbinky (talk) 05:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I do not have a problem with your constructive edits. I have a problem with your disruptive and attacking edits, such as this one, insinuating I have expressed an opinion when I have not, and this one. I will not warn you again. The next time you attack me, directly or indirectly, you will be reported. --JBC3 (talk) 05:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok if you think that's appropriate fine, sorry you feel I insulted you, I was stating my personal feelings on how I feel you treat my contributions. I have the right to state when I feel someone is being unfair to me, if you think sticking up for myself and coming out and calling someone out on being unfair to me is "attacking" then it is your right to report me. I will attempt to not get "hostile" but I am warning you I will not stand quietly when someone treats me unfairly and attempts to limit my ability to edit through intimidation, disrespect, or any other ways that make editing displeasurable. And before you claim THAT is an attack it is not meaning that you have intentionally done those things towards me, I am simply stating my rights per wikipedia:harrassment which states that harrassment can be when an editor's intention to make editing displeasurable for another editor. And if I feel another editor is doing that to me, then yes I have the right to say so and it isnt an attack on that editor to say so. Nobody has the right to decide that another editor doesnt have the right to be bold and that their editing must be watched and monitored and double checked, and I feel you have been doing that to me. That is not an attack, that is telling you how I feel.Camelbinky (talk) 05:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

If you feel that I am harrassing you then I suggest you report it rather than violate Wikipedia policy for the purposes of making a point. --JBC3 (talk) 06:00, 29 April 2009 (UTC)