User talk:IsabellaCarufel/Social media in the fashion industry

Preliminary Review from Kaylea

Hi, I'm starting to walk through articles and give everyone informal early feedback on how they're doing. You'll notice this is a little bit form-letter-ish but I hope it is still helpful.

You have done some very impressive work here -- just keep going in this direction. You are well-positioned to make a significant contribution to public knowledge of this topic. Bravo!

One area of improvement for this article will be to shift towards a more encyclopedic tone. A previous reviewer left a comment on the old version of the page about this too, linking to the policy WP:NOT. It's sort of a subtle and complicated point, and a work in progress -- but I'm sure you will be able to make improvements as you revise with a critical eye.

Kaylea Champion (talk) 08:23, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review from Sabmarriie

Hi Isabella! I just finished doing a peer review of your article and will add a link to it! Continue doing such a great job! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:IsabellaCarufel/Social_media_in_the_fashion_industry/Sabmarriie_Peer_Review?venotify=created. Sabmarriie (talk) 01:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Sabmarriie: thank you so much for your thoughtful review! I really appreciate all of you feedback! IsabellaCarufel (talk) 02:09, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Follow Up Review from Kaylea

Hi @IsabellaCarufel:

This is shaping up nicely. It looks like there's some cleanup left to do here and there, like the stray [1] at the top and missing details at YouTube, etc. The sections that go straight from a section header to a subsub section header could use a little bit of information about what that section is about -- for example, "Advertising through Social Media" goes straight into examples, but needs a short chunk of text to explain the subsections that follow. Let me know if you'd like me to take another look, or when you're done, I think you can go ahead and make this article live.

Final read-through draft.
Check live article for changes. [History Tab]
Two browsers side by side, if you can. Code mode, not visual editor.
Paragraph by paragraph copy, leaving behind an explanatory edit summary after each chunk of changes.
Note on article talk page.
Note at the top of your sandbox version.
Celebrate!

Kaylea Champion (talk) 19:24, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Khascall:, thank you so much for the comments! I am hoping to have my article finalized by tomorrow night and I will reach you with any questions!! thanks again IsabellaCarufel (talk) 02:09, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good @IsabellaCarufel: -- it looks like there are quite a few edits on the page since you made your copy, so this might be a bit of a complex merge. Let me know when you're ready to go live and I'll lend a hand with questions.

Kaylea Champion (talk) 23:35, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Review from a non-student

~~I really don't mean to offend you, but this is a dumpster fire.~~

You do not bold or all-capitalize section titles like that. See here for more info.
You have way too many duplicate references.
Don't dump the contents of your sandbox into talk pages. If you need to show it, try using the collapse template.

wizzito | say hello! 01:07, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Wizzito: If you don't mean to offend someone, maybe don't open by calling their work a dumpster fire. As you can know (or should know), IsabellaCarufel is brand new to Wikipedia and still learning her way around. This is newbie biting. Your substantive feedback is valuable, of course. Hopefully, Isabella can see pass the noise and try to learn and fix these things. —mako ๛ 01:26, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I've just seen so many bad works and MOS violations by other students (in other courses) that it annoys me. I don't intend to offend her, I'm just stating the state of the article/sandbox. wizzito | say hello! 01:30, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ex. if you look at the history of Social media in the fashion industry, me and Tamzin did some cleanup (mostly deletion) in January of student-added material to the article. wizzito | say hello! 01:31, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Wizzito: I understand why you're frustrated and that lots of newbies to Wikipedia (including my students) do work that is not yet up to our standards. Keep in mind that these students are also acting in good faith and (for the most part) adding good content, new facts, and new references, even if they're still learning details of the MOS.

The policy you cite about duplicate citations (MOS:DUPCITE) says: "Do not discourage editors, particularly inexperienced ones, from adding duplicate citations when the use of the source is appropriate, because a duplicate is better than no citation. But any editor should feel free to combine them, and doing so is the best practice on Wikipedia."

The first experience that IsabellaCarufel had with a person in Wikipedia was you calling their work a dumpster fire. Most users with this experience will not return. I appreciate the work you're doing to try and improve things. Our community needs to do better job of doing this work without driving away the next generation of people Wikipedia needs to do the tasks you're doing now. —mako ๛ 07:29, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]