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NY SAFE Act

Thanks for the invitation, but I don't know anything about it (I'm not from the US, to start with) and I don't have time at present to carry out research into the topic. Regards, Bencherlite ^Talk 10:14, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's ok, thanks anways! IronKnuckle (talk) 10:43, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

About NY SAFE Act

Hmm... --Shirt58 (talk) 12:21, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's looking great so far! IronKnuckle (talk) 13:58, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Citation templates

Hi IronKnuckle. Depending on your preferences, there are a variety of different toolbars you might have. All of these toolbars should have a citation button. If you use that button, a field will appear that allows you to fill in various parts of a citation automatically formatting them. You can find the citation button your toolbar uses by looking at Wikipedia:RefToolbar. In addition, you might want to read Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners for more information. Ryan Vesey 18:02, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thank you! IronKnuckle (talk) 18:04, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Police Firearms and Civilians

I was reading the Wiki on the NY SAFE ACT and came across a portion of it concerning police versus civilian requirements. While I understood the context I couldn't help but become agitated. As a 19 year NCO in the USAF I found an issue with the juxtaposition of police versus civilian verbiage. All police are civilian (period). If they were not then posse comitatus has surely flown out the window. Police are civilian servants, which can mean that they are civilian and they serve, the more common term used is civil servant. In any case, this irritated me enough to make an account on wikipedia and find some place to say my piece. --Eieoeoo1 (talk) 07:30, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see, if you wanna change it to "civil servant" be my guest. IronKnuckle (talk) 11:50, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	Awarding you this for your careful edits at NY SAFE Act, an article related to the contentious matter of Gun control in the United States Shirt58 (talk) 10:45, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh thank you! :D IronKnuckle (talk) 08:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How you doing Knuckle? I just dropped by to see if you're staying out of trouble. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Doing great, and yourself? IronKnuckle (talk) 06:11, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Quotation marks

Welcome to Wikipedia IronKnuckle, thank you for your contributions on NY SAFE Act. Per MOS:QUOTE and MOS:QUOTEMARKS quotation marks are never used when the quote is set off using the {{quote}} template. If the quote is part of the body, by all means use quotation marks. Either way a citation is required. Cquotes are reserved for “pull quotes” and are rarely, if ever, appropriate. Cheers. Grahamboat (talk) 00:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

AfD

Hi. I've already asked you to withdraw an AfD earlier today, at the AFD itself, but received no response. Here is some additional background.

As I expect you likely know, at a prior point two puppets of yours were indef blocked. See Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of IronKnuckle. We I believe block such sockmasters generally, but you were given some WP:ROPE.

You also have a history of such badly premised AfDs (with editors and closing sysops saying they either suggest bad faith, or an unusually poor grasp of GNG), that they have resulted in multiple same-day speedy keeps (16 speedy keeps on one day in January alone).

See also the AN/I discussion here about your AfDs, with the partial close by Monty845, in which Monty wrote inter alia

"In my opinion, there is more then enough support here for closing the AfDs, and their continuing to be open is an ongoing problem, so I'm going to go close any that are still open on the basis of the above."

You were blocked for your prior AfDs. In unblocking you on your second request, after you asserted "the mistakes I made were making AfDs that were premature, I'm sorry I didnt know.... I have learned now", Drmies wrote:

"Per ROPE, if you will, and AGF, no doubt partly a result of my extreme liberalism. IronKnuckle's edits will have plenty of watchers, and future infractions will no doubt be dealt with swiftly--so, it won't matter much whether they return to editing now or when the original block is done. IronKnuckle, you'll have to at least act on the assumption (that's WP:AGF too) that editors don't (always) edit according to their political stance but that the overriding POV is our set of guidelines."

Yet .... you just AFD'd yet another article, with what appear to be similarly poor grounds. That's disruptive; especially so as the article is at DYK.

I again urge you to withdraw your AfD. The fact that you brought it in the first place, in light of the above, is disturbing, and suggests to me that you've used the leniency granted you to create further disruption, along the same lines -- with yet another baseless AfD.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:36, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I did not know he passed WP:GNG, I thought he failed WP:NMMA. It looks like it was kept tho, I'm surprised by the angry response, as I was not trying to disrupt anything. IronKnuckle (talk) 00:59, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also why are you trying to bring up old stuff? IronKnuckle (talk) 01:08, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You were already blocked for this. You were already topic banned for this. You said that you would not do it again, and that you understood your error. And then, after your block was lifted ... you did it again.

You have been told multiple times -- in the AfDs that led to your topic ban and block, as well as in your most recent AfD today -- that it is enough for the subject of an article to pass AfD if it passes GNG. You promised us in your unblock request that you understood this, so that your block would be lifted. Now, however, you say you do not understand it -- that you think that if he fails NMMA then the article should be deleted.

You were blocked because you made a series of bad AfD nominations. Either you failed to do a wp:before search, to see if the subject met GNG or another criteria. Or you mis-stated whether they met the criteria.

Do you understand that you are obligated to do a wp:before search prior to making a nomination? Do you understand that if an article subject meets GNG, then you should not nominate the article for AfD -- unless your goal is to disrupt the project?

We bring up old stuff because this is the same pattern for which you were blocked and banned. You were only allowed to edit because you promised you would stop. But here we see ... you have not lived up to that promise.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:13, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, calm down, it was an honest mistake, I did not know it didn't pass WP:GNG. Second of all, I see that you edit alot of Pro-Israel and Pro-Jewish articles, so you have a conflict of interest, that's why you are trying to harass me on my page. Well I'm going to ask you nicely to stop harassing me and get off my page now, I request no further contact from you. It was an honest mistake on my part, now get over it. IronKnuckle (talk) 01:20, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edits

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March 2013

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for disruptive editing, personal attacks, and disruptive AfDs. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Bbb23 (talk) 02:24, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What on earth?

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

I was the one who was personally attacked, you got the wrong guy here. IronKnuckle (talk) 02:26, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

You've been granted much more grace than you deserve, based on the Schmidt comment. Acroterion (talk) 02:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

WP:NOTTHEM. - Sitush (talk) 02:28, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are you really going to let that guy walk away scout free, because he's an admin, and block me because I was concerned about a conflict of interest? I want to take this up with ARBCOM. This is ridiculous. IronKnuckle (talk) 02:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) In addition to the rest of the editor's history, please also see this topic at WP:ANI.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:30, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another person in the AfD's name is Schmidt, which sounds like a name of Jewish origin.; that is a personal attack. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And accusing editors of Zionism, also a PA. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:32, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No it is not, I did not use a slur, I stated that he may have a conflict of interest. I didn't know how else to put it. Drmies called me an idiot, thats a clear personal attack. And you have a Pro-Israel decal on your page, which means you have a conflict of interest. I want to take this up with ARB-COM, there should NOT be a double standard for admins breaking the rules, OR a double standard for Pro-Israel/Jewish wiki matters. This is not a place for Zionism. IronKnuckle (talk) 02:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=547733419&oldid=547733007 Another personal attack you guys made a double standard for. IronKnuckle (talk) 02:37, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:SPADE. (Also, that editor is not an admin.) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You aren't going to be unblocked by any admin, so BASC is thisaway. Also, take it up with ArbCom and I can guarantee you that you will be permanently banned from editing ever again. gwickwire^talk_editing 02:38, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)Aspersions of conflict of interest based on race or religion are always personal attacks. Would you think it was acceptable to say "one of the editors was named T-Dawg, which sounds like a name of African-American origin, so he has a conflict of interest on African-American topics"? Also, accusations of Zionism, which you have just done again, are also personal attacks. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I made no personal attacks. Thats a fact, so yes I should be unblocked. Stating a name sounds Jewish is not a personal attack. If I had said K1K3(censored) then yes that would be. But i'm not a bigot, and would not say that. IronKnuckle (talk) 02:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Inferring that someone's name sounds Jewish and therfore they have a conflict of interest is a personal attack. Accusations of Zionism are personal attacks. Weasel wording the accusations doesn't change their meaning. I came into this looking to help you, IronKnuckle, and instead you chose to make personal attacks directed at me, and you have continually, with every comment you've made, dug yourself into a deeper hole, therefore there's nothing else I can do here. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well you just said that about African Americans, not me, so you should be blocked then too Bushranger, you also have the flag of Zionism on your profile, it's quite obvious you support Zionism, and that's why you are targeting me. And I dont think you are here to help me, you are here to make my pay for DARING to speak out against Israel, I get it bro, I get it. IronKnuckle (talk) 02:46, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)I was providing an example, and you know it. I also have the flag of the State of Israel on my profile, I do not support Zionism, and you've just made two more personal attacks against me in one comment, well done. Since you clearly have made up your mind and refuse to be confused by the facts, I will comment no futher here, other than to say that if you continue making comments like the above you'll find your talk page access revoked very quickly. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:51, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Bushranger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

"Flag of Israel, the flag was adopted as the symbol of the Zionist Movement in the 1890s.", You have that flag ON your profile. IronKnuckle (talk) 02:47, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I also have the national flag of the Confederate States of America in a userbox, so clearly I must be a racist, too. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:51, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just thought I'd let you know before, so you may have *some* chance to defend yourself, but I've asked for your talkpage access to be revoked. Those comments are wholly and completely unacceptable. If you have an issue with an administrator's actions, ArbCom is thataway. gwickwire^talk_editing 02:49, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I support Palestine, down with Zionism, and AIPAC. This is a prime example of how I am a victim of Zionism. IronKnuckle (talk) 02:51, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Talkpage access revoked: this is not a forum for soapboxing or for digging an ever-deeper hole. Acroterion (talk) 02:53, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked for sockpuppetry

This account has been blocked indefinitely from editing for sock puppetry per evidence presented at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/IronKnuckle. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but using them for illegitimate reasons is not. If you believe that this block was in error, and you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here ~~~~}} below, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Rs chen 7754 09:48, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]