User talk:Intolerancerecords

The article Intolerance records has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done because the article seemed to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it did not indicate how or why the subject is notable, that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert notability may be deleted at any time. If you can indicate why the subject is really notable, you are free to re-create the article, making sure to cite any verifiable sources.

Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and for specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for musicians, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. NawlinWiki 04:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone back and looked at the article, and I stand by my deletion. To start with, your Google counts aren't for *unique* Google hits. If you go to the end of the listings, you'll see that Slugwrench has 363 unique hits and "Intolerance Records" (in quotes, to avoid the millions of unrelated listings for "Intolerance" and "Records") has 61 unique hits. Those totals are way below what you'd expect of a notable label or act. You haven't shown that Intolerance's acts (as opposed to those who they might have worked with, like Sean Lennon) are notable per WP:MUSIC.

Second, the article is almost entirely personal commentary such as "J. saw a need for good, new music. It seemed that everything coming out on the radio was commercialized crap. J. is very intolerant of stupidity and bad music...", and "J. was quoted as saying, "For the Sickness series I basically said to myself, 'what would I want to listen to right now? I am under the influence you know.'" And so he was..." None of this is, or could be, verifiable from independent sources per WP:V.

Third, you said on my talk page that this is "your label". If you are in fact Jason Shepherd, then the whole article has a big Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and WP:SPAM problem.

Fourth, did you think your revenge speedy-tagging of Ice Records (a company with which I have no connection, and which has actual notable artists on its roster) was going to help change my mind? See WP:POINT.

I've copied the text of the article to your userspace at User:Intolerancerecords/Intolerance records. If you still feel that your article should be kept, you can ask for a review at Wikipedia:Deletion review. NawlinWiki 12:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To: NawlinWiki

The first half of your first point is valid. I guess I don't know the difference between unique hits and the results that pop up when you search. Your second half is incorrect though. According to WP:MUSIC under Criteria for musicians and ensembles it says, and I quote: "A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:" Then, under the criteria, there are twelve points but a band must only meet ONE of the criteria. The good news is, Slugwrench meets several. I will now illustrate for you, complete with references a few of these points. Keep in mind, according to [[WP:MUSIC], I must only meet one!

"has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable. This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, and television documentaries"

Slugwrench is cited as research material in the bibliography section in ‘THE FUTURE IS HAPPENING ALREADY’: INDUSTRIAL MUSIC, DYSTOPIA AND THE AESTHETIC OF THE MACHINE which is a thesis submitted in accordance with the requirements of the University of Liverpool for the degree of Doctor in Philosophy Dr. by Karen E. Collins in 2002. A third party independent researcher on the subject of industrial electronic music. Dr Collins can be contacted at: Dr. Karen Collins, Canadian Centre for Arts and Technology, University of Waterloo. 200 University Avenue West. Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1. Her website is: [Dr. Karen Collins http://www.gamessound.com/]

The main major Newspaper in Tulsa, Oklahoma called "The Tulsa World" has written several pieces on the band. Here is a link to just one: [Tulsa World Official Site http://www.tulsaworld.com/entertainment/article.aspx?articleID=L061199007]

Slugwrench appeared in International music Magazine Alternative Press in March of 1999. AP doesn't have it online but a fan made site has it reprinted on their site. I have the paper version of the magazine that it appears in. Here is the link to the story on the fan made site: [The Slugwrench http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/sutcliffe/588/ap.html]

Slugwrench has sold 22,000 records to date to a worldwide audience. [Trigi's Page of Intolerance http://hometown.aol.com/trigi/index.html]

Urban Tulsa's Joey Zielanzinski was quoted as saying, "Jason Shepherd, whoever you are, you are very sick. And brilliant." Urban Tulsa doesn't have it in their archives but I found it on yet another site. It's an electronic music site with five different electronic music bands: Download, Aphex Twin, Skinny Puppy, Autechre and Slugwrench. Are you going to tell me that those bands aren't notable either? Should we check their articles and make sure they have references? [Electronic Music Site http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Basement/3881/slugwrench.html]

Shall I continue? Remember, I only need one, I've given you five.

Now I must address your second point which I completely disagree with. I can cite resources and was preparing to when you deleted it. Their are several fan made websites and magazines with reviews and interviews. When I read the Marilyn Manson Wiki page, most of those sources are fan sites or worse, sites made by Christians that hate Manson and they make up lies anyway.

Third, when I said "my" label I wasn't being literal. I meant I am their biggest fan. Example: You know when idiots are listening to the radio and a song they like comes on and they say, "This is MY song!" Of course they don't mean they own the copyright to that song, the individual is merely expressing their appreciation of the song in question.

Fourth, I apologize for the Ice Records thing, I acted out of haste and anger (The story of my life). When I read the article I noticed it didn't comply with the Wiki article rules so I did what any responsible Wikian would do and exact swift blinding revenge. I digress back to the point: You claim that Ice Records has notable artists on it's roster and I claim they don't. I claim that Intolerance Records has notable artists on it's roster and you claim they don't. It's a difference of opinion. It comes down to ones definition of the world "notable".

All of your "points" have been discredited. Please allow me to continue my work undaunted.

Thank you for copying the article to my userspace. I will work on it and when I think it's acceptable, I will contact you and you can give me the acceptance or denial and I will act on it accordingly.

The Dick 00:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

You may have an argument for Slugwrench being notable -- depends on how such an article would be written. I still don't think that the record label is notable, and I still think you have a conflict of interest problem. I'm not going to "admit that you're right" about an article on Intolerance Records without seeing your proposed article and sources. NawlinWiki 04:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clear knuckles

A tag has been placed on Clear knuckles, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

I have also removed other link-additions that you have performed. Please understand that wikipedia is not an advertising service. Thanks you. Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 08:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I know Wikipedia is not an advertising service. You didn't have to tell me that for me to know that. Should I go through and unedit the editing you do too? The article I wrote was no different then the article for brass knuckles. I cited four independent sources. What's your problem? Best Wishes Intolerancerecords 08:22, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not recreate this article, unless you can make it conform to WP:Notability and WP:Verifiability. Proving that something exists isn't enough for it to be included on Wikipedia, you also have to prove that it's notable, and that others have written about. Listing two of the manufacturers as the only external links isn't regarded as proper sourcing. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 08:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please have a look at this policy. And yes, I did have a look at the sources you mentioned; and basically, a myspace page, the website of a manufacturer of the knuckles, and a manufacturer of Lexan is not regarded as sources as such. For an article to be included in Wikipedia, the subject must be notable, verifiable and neutral; and the three sites mentioned does not help to achieve this. As for the blog from ABCnews, it's a start, but doesn't really indicate that it's notable IMO, as it clearly states that the TSA haven't heard of them, and that they're not concerned and won't have any additional measures just because of these. As mentioned by David, feel free to list them as a variant of brass knuckles though, but unless additional sources can be found, they should not have their own article. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 08:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, and welcome to Wikipedia! A quick idea: You might want to add the information from Clear Knuckles to the Brass Knuckles article itself; alternatively, you could work on the article in your user space (Perhaps at User:Intolerancerecords/Clear knuckles) before you post it on the main encyclopedia space, in order to make sure you've put in as much as is necessary (in the way of content and sources) for the article to survive. Just remember to put in reliable, verifiable sources, as Bjelleklang reminds you. Thanks for joining us on the 'Pedia! =David^(talk)_(contribs) 08:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If they have ordered tests on them, it might help for notability, but you still need to find proper sources. In essence, everything in Wikipedia must conform to the inclusion policies, which also mean that someone else must have written about it before. I'd say that it's a variant, or at least close enough; the concept is the same, but the material is different. The reason your link was deleted from Brass knuckles was because it was the manufacturer. Using a manufacturers web site as a source is highly discouraged, as this information is likely to have their point of view and may be regarded as a way to advertise a product. Try using the abcnews link instead, although there's no guarantees that it'll be kept, at least it's more neutral compared to using the manufacturer. Also, I'd advise you to have a look at this policy if you haven't already. If you need help or have any questions, ask an editor, use the helpdesk, use IRC, or just place {{helpme}} on your talkpage. I would strongly advise you to read through a few of the basic policies, as this might help to avoid having contributions removed by other users. Bjelleklang - talk Bug Me 09:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

August 2007

With regard to your comments on User talk:Bjelleklang: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Darkwind (talk) 08:42, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

Wikipedia has rules on inclusion. Intolerance Records and Clear Knukcles mainly failed the notability guidelines for inclusions of biographies on companies, record labels, musicians, etc. In addition, due to your username, there are issues with you trying to advertise your record label through the use of Wikipedia. We do not permit this.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Additonally, if you continue to be incivil and dickish to other editors in your comments, you may be blocked for a period of time.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:51, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is it wiki legal to say someone is acting "dickish"? You might just have to go ahead and "block" me "for a period of time" because I can't seem to stop being so "dickish." There must be something wrong with me that I would spend eight hours in an attempt to contribute to the wealth of information that is Wikipedia. Something that I use every day. After this experience, not only will I never attempt to edit articles again, I won't even use Wiki to look up information. Thanks for nothing editors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Intolerancerecords (talk • contribs).

Well, you can't seem to act civil, so I hought using "dickish" would get you to stop being incivil. I guess I was wrong. You can edit, but you can't be incivil when discussing items with other editors. Your articles were deleted for the various rules we have. If you cannot follow these rules, then maybe you should not be here.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:10, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply here—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:21, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you want me to reply on this page? Sorry, I'm a dick. :( The Dick 09:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I used the word "dickish." Here's a cookie—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Here's something for you: Image:ClearKnucklesLg.jpg The Dick 09:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Now that wasn't nice. Technically, the references you used could be put into brass knuckles, so long as they aren't spammish.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:34, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was teasing. I think I know what you mean. I'm afraid to touch that page now though, could you possibly find it in your heart to do it? Then I will look at it and learn and know what you mean for possible future edits? The Dick 09:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm signing off soon anyway. Use whatever website you used to write about clear knuckles and put the information at brass knuckles where you think it fits. Write about other rock bands. Click here and find a random article. Improve what you know, or look things up to find more.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh gee. Thanks for nothing. I already knew all that crap anyway. I already read all the guidelines. The Dick 09:46, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, write about it elsewhere. And it'd also be good if you stopped signing as "The Dick"—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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