User talk:Ingmar.lippert

Ecological modernization

Greetings! At the risk of accusations of canvassing, I note you are the only editor to comment in any really significant way in the past few years on the article Ecological modernization by way of [this comment on the talk page. I am considering nominate this for merging into ecomodernism and would like to know if you have any objection before I move on this? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 22:47, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for asking. I would definitively consider analyses of documents like the "Ecomodernist Manifesto" as a version of ecological modernisation apt. Google scholar finds a range of references that look at these together, including some key authors like Pellizzoni. So, if by merging you would allow to e.g. turn the ecomodernism page into a subsection on the Ecological modernization page, I would support that. Ingmar.lippert (talk) 05:07, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've been reading primary sources discussion ecomodernisation under that (neologistic?) label; Are you saying RSs discussing "Ecological modernization" establish that phrase as being more than just a synonym for the same substantive ideas? That may be, I haven't pulled up sources with the open compound word, just the single combined word. So what do you undertand the differences to be, if any? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 06:15, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ecomodernisation is a recent conversation; so, its historical context is the 2010s, whilst "ecological modernisation" and "ecological modernisation theory" is a product of the 1980s-1990s. Ecomodernist literature is aligned to specific political organisations that use it to organise (themselves) in the context of, let's say, conversations about the anthropocene and similar contemporary large and global-spanning questions. Ecological modernisation is a more general phrase that is used to describe actual policy interventions and discourse that are undertaken, for instance, by governments. Then you have "ecological modernisation theory" that attempts to engage in social scientific theorisation of how ecological modernisation is (not) made possible.

To simplify, I read ecomodernisation as a a quasi-utopian policy discourse, that is largely independent from the state of the art in science and governments' practical and discursive engagement with environmental governance.

Another take: ecomodernisation reads as philosophy. Ecological modernisation is a policy discourse. Ingmar.lippert (talk) 07:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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