User talk:Infrogmation/Archive March May 06

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March 2006

Hi Infrogmation,

can you tell me the reason why the image Image:Tajin1913.jpg is public-domain? thanks.--the man 10:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Copyrights expire by United States law. While some newer publications may have expired copyrights as well, everything published in the United States in 1922 or earlier falls in to that category, such as this image scanned from a magazine published in the US in 1913. Hope this helps, -- Infrogmation 16:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to my user page

Hi there. I have occasionally made edits to Wikipedia, but I had nothing to do with the edit to jazz on Feb. 9. I use dial-up Internet so I get a different IP address every time I log in. 206.148.20.228 17:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

IP Address Block for 66.230.74.66

Hi Infrogmation,

Last December, you blocked this IP address for continual vandalism on multiple pages for a period of one month. The IP address is for Mt. Lebanon High School. Users of the address have continued to vandalize since the block, resulting in three 24-hour blocks in the month of February alone. Can you look into this and see if anything substantive can be done? The few of us who monitor Mt. Lebanon, Pennsylvania are constantly reverting to control the vandalism and other nonsense that is posted on that page. Thanks! ClarkBHM 18:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Image

Oops, my mistake. Thanks for letting me know! Flcelloguy (A note?) 02:44, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

evacuee vs refugee

Surprisingly, I don't know of a thorough debate on any single discussion page in wikipedia that addresses the issue of calling evacuees "refugees", and I was wondering if you had come across such a page. If not, do you think it warrents a place in a wikipedia article? Houston's page seems to have a peristant use of the word refugee, which I would hate to see go unchallenged just of a lack of wikipedia-based debate...quite a bit of debate has taken place elsewhere.Wbbigtymer 15:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Back when I was one, I and my friends didn't particularly object, as we were seeking refuge and it seemed to fit the dictionary definition, but I know others have objected. I've heard some say they prefer the term "in exile" as that's what it feels like. Wikipeida, as in all things, should try to stick with the most NPOV descriptions. -- Infrogmation 02:41, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

The image

I trust you know the one I mean. I'm the one who deleted it. Sorry, but it was just going to sit at orphan fair use until someone did something. I removed it from the facebook, but I haven't removed the link from your user page--I try not to edit userpages. It's a very good drawing. It will linger here for a while. . . Chick Bowen 17:17, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Harlow resized.jpg

Hi -- I was just wondering why you reverted my edit to Image:Harlow resized.jpg, in which I placed the photo into Category:Ferry Hall School alumnae. Dylan 22:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

The category may belong in the Jean Harlow article, but not on the image description page. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 23:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, it is on the Jean Harlow article, but I don't understand: the image of is a Ferry Hall School alumna. Wouldn't that make it appropriate for the category? Dylan 02:24, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Hunh? The IMAGE is from Ferry Hall School, not Ms. Harlow? Very interesting high school photos they had!! -- Infrogmation 03:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I know the image wasn't taken at Ferry Hall, but I just don't see why it doesn't belong. It's a picture of a Ferry Hall alumna. The category is for Ferry Hall alumna. Why doesn't it work? Dylan 03:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Categories appropriate for articles about people are not by practice duplicated at the image pages for various images of those people. Categories added on image pages are generally only those relevent to the image, not to people who may be depicted in the image. If you think this practice should be changed, you should discuss it and convince others; I'm not sure exactly where but Wikipedia_talk:Category would probably be a good place to start. -- Infrogmation 04:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Dylan 05:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Deleted image

Dear Cohesion, the picture at article ANZAC Day Image:Lone pine memorial.jpg was taken with my own Camera and i was the photographer. I included my info at the image upload and wondering today why it got deleted ? Anyway..

The above paragraphs explain the system, there was no information at the page about the source as far as I can tell, the page has since been deleted and I can't say I remember that particular image out of thousands. When the image is tagged as having no source the uploader is notified and then a week later someone else will usually review it and delete the image. This is what has occurred. It was deleted on Jan 30th. You are free to re-upload it if you would like, be sure to mention the source and the copyright information. If you have any other questions let me know. - cohesion^t 01:53, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Please do not just assume that the user was notified without taking the time to check their talk page first before deleting an image. I'm sure you and a number of other Wikipedians are working hard to clean up images, but we've been getting good stuff deleted-- for example I've had a number of images which I went to a good bit of effort to locate from original sources and scanned which were deleted with no notice given me in advance. This includes PD images "orphaned" when some user replaced them with a "fair use" image they simply copied off the web, and images for which the originals which I scanned from no longer exist thanks to Katrina events. This can be damn annoying. No doubt some Wikipedia housekeeping projects can seem daunting work, but taking the extra time to check on things (linked discussion, seeing if user was notified on talk page, etc) can save valuable unique information for Wikipedia. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 20:42, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I honestly want to help, and understand your frustration, and am interested in a dialogue with you about this. The easy way out of this would be to just ignore your message and continue the image tagging system as normal, but I would like to reach some agreement honestly. I researched this particular image a little bit more, and there was no source information on the page when I tagged it, it was subsequently delinked by Orphanbot and then deleted by someone else. Orphanbot usually notifies the user on their talk page, but you are correct, for whatever reason that didn't happen for you. There is some code in Orphanbot to not flood a users talk page with notifications so maybe the bot put your page in that category for some reason (I don't know the specifics of how that works.)

The request that we make sure the user has been notified on their talk page and checking relevant other pages would be very helpful in saving the few images that should be saved. Unfortunately this type image is the extreme minority. We currently have well over ten thousand images untagged, and are unfortunately not keeping pace with the untagged images being uploaded. I hate that we sometimes lose good images, but if we can't expect users to put their images on their watchlist and source/license them correctly I don't know what solution we have. If you have any suggestions we honestly would like to hear them because, I think, most people realize what's happening now isn't a perfect solution. Any solution we come up with though has to be able to work with hundreds of unsourced unlicensed copyright violations being uploaded every day, because that's the actual situation. - cohesion^t 00:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I was trying to find the image on mirrors to see if I could restore it, and I think I may have made an incorrect assumption. I was thinking you were the uploader, anyway, the actual uploader was notified before the deletion as per the usual system User talk:Olympos2. I'm a little unclear about the reason for my note or how I came to your attention, but if you have any ideas I would still be very interested. - cohesion^t 00:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:ChiWhiteCity.JPG

The deletion log says it was listed at WP:IFD, though I can't seem to find it in the IFD archives. I think I deleted it when looking through images in Category:Images and media for deletion that were mistakenly not listed at IFD. I probably deleted it since it's available on the Commons (and it's an orphan anyway). It's available at Image:World Columbian Exposition - White City - 1.JPG. Sorry for any inconvenience. Coffee 16:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Nice to know at least that one survived as someone moved it to commons-- though for some reason under a different title. -- Infrogmation 16:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Images and my copyedit on New Orleans

I have re-tagged the images you marked for deletion to fair use with fair use rationale as well. That was my first time upload images so I really didn't know what I was doing. I just finished reviewing on how to tag images properly. You should have consulted and guided me on how to tag images properly before listing it for deletion. Couldn't you have waited?

As for the New Orleans article, the word "refugee" is correct. This is an encyclopedia, not the media. There is no such word as an "evacuee" in a dictionary. I write for a newspaper part-time, I am aware about the crying regarding "refugee" and "evacuee". Refugee, however, is the correct term to use. The Copyeditor

Hi. I'm replying to this on your talk page. Thanks, -- Infrogmation 03:08, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I hate to jump in like this here, but to The Copyeditor: both www.answers.com and www.dictionary.com have listings for the word "evacuee" and make the distinction that they are fleeing from a "dangerous area", not "war, political oppression, or religious persecution." Please keep in mind that language is one of the most fluid and evolving inventions of man-kind, and it adapts with the times. I am not really personally offended by the use of refugee, except that I sense an obnoxious malicious intent much of the time it is used. Since the tone is seldom detectable in a wikipedia article, I would generally caution against it when referring to displaced victims of the hurricane. I am not in the newspaper business, but I am under the impression that back when this debate was a national one, there was no such consensus among major publications as you seem to claim.

Now, on a fairly unrelated note, and this may be completely inappropriate, I was wondering who you (Infrogmation) are supporting for mayor. I have already voted, but there will likely be a run-off before this is decided, so I am still following the race pretty closely, but from what I know about you, I wouldn't be surprised if you were following it even more closely.Wbbigtymer 06:06, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the warning.... I really appreciate it!

Survey

I am conducting a survey on Wikipedia and would like to invite you to participate in the study. I've posted a message on wikien-l, but here is the link again in case you are not subscribed to that list-serv. Thanks a lot for your time! --Mermes 01:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

re clean-up of Blue Amberol entries

First-off, to Infrogmation, I offer my sincere condolences to you and other New Orleanians (sic) following the havoc Katrina wrought on your beautiful city, which I last visited in 1971.

Secondly, as you have some interest in the entries re the Edison Blue Amberol phonograph cylinders, and I have in my collection some 900 of the same, not to mention my 32-years in the music industry as a record label executive, I would like to suggest that we work together to see to it that this particularly entry remains, albeit with a considerable amount of rewritten material.--Jslasher 01:11, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The Simpsons & the Olmecs

Thanks for reverting The Simpsons reference in the Olmec article. I was wondering about that myself and I had done similar reversions on other articles, where the "trivia" was waaay more distracting that enlightening.

I will endeavor to hold the line, as well. Madman 18:21, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Codrescu Andrei

He was not at all a Jewish. The best example is its name, "Codrescu", which is a pure Romanian name. Also, can you show me where he mentioned that he's a Jewish? Regards, NorbertArthur 8 April 2006

I'm moving discussion to Talk:Andrei Codrescu. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 04:39, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

12.104.83.111 vandalizing again

I noticed that this anon had vandalized 2006 Djibouti ferry disaster again, and saw on his talk page that he had been blocked before by you. Could you block him again? Night Gyr 19:35, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

He's also one of several vandals on Vatical Entertainment, and he vandalized your edit to his talk page. I reverted and warned the most recent vandal. Jamoche 06:41, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Pretty Baby

Could you please explain at Talk:Pretty Baby why you rolled back my recent edits? They were all in compliance with Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). Also, per Help:Reverting, non-vandalism edits are generally not supposed to be reverted using administrators' rollback. Thanks. Extraordinary Machine 19:55, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. Sorry I didn't provide an explanation earlier. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 20:27, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Category: Lists of Writers Needs Admin Help

Category:Lists_of_writers is a total mess. I have left a message at the talk page for this page exolaining what the problem is, so no need to repeat here. I realized after i left that message that editing categories may be blocked from regular users, in which case this one needs admin attention, stat. You are the only admin i know personally, so ... could you take a look and make it alphabetical by subject? Thanks! Catherineyronwode 22:30, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I replied on your user talk page. -- Infrogmation 23:01, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Blocked vandal, a mystery (involving you)

User:66.230.74.66, according to their block log, you blocked yesterday for 2 months. How come they've made an edit today??? Software glitch??? Best, Bill 17:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

School IP requesting unblock

Just to let you know that 216.11.189.150 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), which you blocked for 20 days, is a school IP and someone has asked on the IP's talk page for your recent very long block to be lifted/reduced. Personally, I would reduce it, but I don't shed so many tears for vandal schoolkids that I'll go over your head and do so. I'll leave it up to you. --Sam Blanning^(talk) 11:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Oh, your welcome...what I typically do is check recent changes and see if any of those are vandalism. But yes, I'll keep that in mind. --Osbus 17:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Bo-bo-riffic

hi there, Froggie! catherine yronwode (my Beloved and mate!) got me interested in the wiki OS and, besides saying hi to you here and *so* glad to see you're up and running after the disaster down there, I'm planning to look into the Occultism/Satanism/Thelema zones in wiki and see whether there are information caches on the technical feat of importing wikipedia GNU stuff into a UNIX shell so that we might use the Wiki Mark Up Language on our own site! any pointers you may have for me would be greatly appreciated. did all your records survive??!@ bo-bo 18:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Potential Musical Edit War; Your Help Requested

Hello, Froggy. I am looking for some help with concensus on a musical issue and am inviting you to participate. Rather than prejudice your thinking, i will simply say that it involves a song by David Allan Coe called Nigger Fucker. In order to understand the flow of events, i suggest that you read the history of the page, and read through the revisions in date order (there are not an overhwleming number), then go to the talk page. Basically, there is a conflict between those who feel it is valuable to note what the song is about and those who wiish to "clean it up" to the point that there is no mention of the controversy between satire versus racism. Things became very heated when Shel Silverstein's name was dragged into it (why? Go figure...) and there is a user who is bsically reverting the article to a stub every few hours. I have never been in this sort of a conflict before, and i want to do what is right. I am not looking for people on "my side," just for people who have experience editing music pages who can bring some calmth to the situation. Thanks for looking it over, if you have time, and, if not, thanks for at least allowing me to ask for help. Catherineyronwode 00:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Rodney D Ryder article

Greetings from England!

I came across the Rodney D. Ryder article (with Random Article), and, having noticed you'd deleted way back in November 2004, thought I'd ask you if you'd consider it a viable article now: to me, it looks like an ego-booster, but, being relatively new, didn't want to tread on anyone's toes by deleting it.

I'd welcome your thoughts on this, either on the page itself or on my talk page.

Hope all is going well,

Regards,

EvocativeIntrigue 13:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. Yes, it looks like possible non-notable vanity, but I also note that the text is a copy & paste copyright violation, from the same source that got the article deleted via WP:CP before, thus qualifying for speedy deletion. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 14:35, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

A pleasure!

EvocativeIntrigue 16:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Unblock 147.126.46.146?

Please consider unblocking this IP for the reasons I give on User talk:147.126.46.146. Euphoria 03:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm also inclined to think this block should be lifted. It's a shared IP at a college. It's been over a week now, and it was only the second block. If I don't hear back from you by tomorrow I'll go ahead and unblock it. Cheers, -22:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Checking up

I'm just droping in to see how you are doing with your clean up efforts on the homefront and to pose the perennial "When will you be able to come to a Marshall meetup?" question. Feel free to drop me a line. -JCarriker 23:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Please contact me

Hi! Can you please contact me at dwool AT wikimedia DOT org at your earliest convenience. Had an interesting request for you. Thanks. Danny 21:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Lamanai

I noticed you reverted my alteration about the Lamanai Mayan ruins and would like to say that Ivan, a very reliable source and Mayan said that my statement was true. Please allow for a mistake on your part. Thanks! - 68.91.200.22 21:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Katrina Photos

I do have a lot more photos of a few areas. I don't have any of the coast but I have some of Slidell and Picayune. See Picayune, MS. I will probably add some to the Slidell page also. I also have some photos of the 9th ward I will upload. I don't understand how the commons works just yet but I'll figure it out. I like the way you linked it and I've also been looking for the break command you used to move the next section down so thanks for that, haha. I'm planning on adding photos to a lot of subjects on Wikipedia wherever it is useful. I may go to the coast when I am home and see if I can get some good pictures. I know it's still a mess down there.

Commons

I still haven't figured out the Commons. Could you tell me how to upload there, particularly, uploading several files at once? Bmcassagne 08:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

IRL

Hey, per your Common Ground postscript, I'd be interested in a New Orleans meetup. Stuck in California for now; I'll try to a) make any date set up or b) instigate something when I expect to be there. -- Muffuletta 04:05, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Heh. Let's invade Infrogmation's user page. I'd also like to arrange a meet-up, ostensibly to discuss Wikipedia pages. Yeah, that's the ticket. We'll discuss Wikipedia. We can do research on food and beverages even. Tall Girl 13:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. -- Infrogmation 13:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Please

could you please create a page for Amokolia all the info you need is at www.amokolia.com for the things you dont know skip it thank you 12.223.129.78 00:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I see no reason for such an article in an encyclopedia. Zero google hits. See Wikipedia:Vanity guidelines and Wikipedia:Notability (and Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers while you're at it). Hope this helps, -- Infrogmation 00:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Emergency Communities

By any chance do you have a photograph of the Emergency Communities location in St. Bernard? There's an article about them (with an afd tag right now, which probably won't last) and it would look good with an image of those geodesic domes. -- Muffuletta 05:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I just added one to the article. I may have a couple more relevent images on the commons in the "Hurricane Katrina aftermath in St. Bernard" or "in Chalmette" categories. BTW, I'm still usually able to go out on freelance photo shooting at least half a day each week, so I'm willing to take image requests for stuff in the NOLA metro area. -- Infrogmation 13:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Excellent; thanks. Maybe I should do the same while I'm out here in the Bay Area. -- Muffuletta 07:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: thru in Image:HitlerEagleNest45.jpg

D'oh! Sorry about that. I thought I'd put that article in my list of exceptions, but it appears I hadn't. I've done it now, so it definitely won't be miscorrected again.

And yeah, I agree it's more slangy than outright incorrect, but I don't think informal language like that is appropriate in an encyclopedia. And of course there are phrases such as 'drive-thru' and 'thru-path' where it is the correct useage.

Again, apologies, Cmdrjameson 23:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 23:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

guatemala post office

...i will use the image. That's how i found you. Thanks for taking it and putting it in public domain. Really bad that pd images are replaced by fairuse ones and then get deleted. IMO in commons they won't get deleted. Am i right? Best regards Tobias Conradi (Talk) 21:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

need approval for the Benson fridge photo

dear Infrogmation

hello

My name is Amir Bogen and I'm an american sports correspondent for Ynet-Israel ( www.ynet.co.il / www.ynetnews.com ) which is the leading news and content website in Israel (from 'Yedioth group' - the biggest media group in Israel).

I'm working on a story about the resuraction of New Orleans with the Saints and Reggie Bush. I would like to ask permission to use the Tom Benson Fridge photo in Wikipedia (link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MailUMagots.jpg). you probably how it goes I'll need an written approval from the you (photographer/owner of the pic) to publish the photo in ynet. the photo credit is guaranteed.

it should be somthing like "I confirm that I own the copyrights of the photo MailUMagots.jpg and I approve ynet to publish it in it's article" - please send it to saintstatic@gmail.com with your email address and phone number (we need those details to approve the photo).

I will appreciate the help.

thanks

Amir,

Amir Bogen, American sports correspondent, Ynet

I already emailed you; but to repeat in this case simply crediting "Photo by Infrogmation, New Orleans, via wikipedia.org" is fine. -- Infrogmation 16:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

How do you revert?

How do you revert changes to Wikipedia? Thanks. Later!!! Chili14 07:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 16:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

gramophone record

That anon who keeps changing this one changed it again the instant your 1-hour block was over, so I put on a 24-hour block. - DavidWBrooks 21:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Seems appropriate. I would have done the same already if not for the apparent collateral damage with that ip. -- Infrogmation

Persistent vandal 213.166.17.25

You said on the vandal's talk page in October of last year that further vandalism would warrant an indefinite block in your opinion. Well, they've been at it more or less non-stop since then, as far as I can tell earning a reblock every time the old one wears off. I only discovered this vandal today when they replaced the text of Prostitution with the text from Mary, mother of Jesus. Looking through the user's history, this appears to be just a drop in a bucket full of complete disruptive editing. How much is enough to warrant indefinite blocking? Or is that not done for IP addresses? Kasreyn 11:57, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing that up. User was already reblocked, but as far as I can see it's nothing but blatant vandalism from that ip#, so I upped the block time to indefinite. -- Infrogmation 16:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Bishop-sarto-of-mantua-01.jpg

Ah no, sorry about that one. I just went through User:Wlkernan's edits as he's uploaded quite a few photos with fair use claims that totally unrelate to the images (and most are unsourced). Thanks for noticing my mistake. Craigy (talk) 00:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

User may have been sloppy with attributions, but I see no need to rush to ditch images which are easily demonstrated to be over 100+ years old and PD anyway. -- Infrogmation 01:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Question

Hi, do you know the name of the record label for the Christian rock band Tait? I know that at first, they werw with Forefront Records but they left that label for reasons I am not sure of yet. If you do know the answer to my question, please answer me on my talk page.. If not, then please answer me anyway telling me that you do not. Thank you. Later!!! Chili14 05:54, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know that off hand. Happy researching. -- Infrogmation 01:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

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