User talk:ImmersiveOne

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July 2023

Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to Men's rights movement, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. To clarify: the content you added did not explain the connection to the Men's rights movement, and the sources you cited did not mention the men's rights movement, either.

Thank you. Grayfell (talk) 04:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May 2024

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Misandry. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 15:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Misandry. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

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Please refrain from using talk pages such as Talk:Misandry for general discussion of this or other topics. They are for discussion related to improving the article in specific ways, based on reliable sources and the project policies and guidelines; they are not for use as a forum or chat room. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See the talk page guidelines for more information.

Users' personal opinions about "millions of men who have died in wars" etc. are irrelevant to improving the article. Talk pages are also not a place for users to vent their feelings about what they see as the poor quality of the article, such as by calling the article contents "trash". Thank you. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:Misandry. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing.

Calling another editor "notorious" and implying there is something wrong with their editing without giving specific evidence is inappropriate and unproductive. The comment has been removed. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 01:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Talk:Misandry. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people.

Calling out an editor by name and then saying the viewpoints they support are "creepy" and evil" is unacceptable. Please stop now. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 13:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I meant "I doubt going with this consensus (as in the above wording proposal)". I made an error while typing out my text and it made it seem way worse than I meant, whoops. I never meant to say other people are so headstrong, we can't come to a consensus. It's why if you read my original text, it doesn't make sense if you read it out loud grammatically.

Also, I meant the extreme slant, on this site, towards downplaying hate of man, is creepy. And I said I would feel evil myself if I agreed to using certain phrasing. I didn't say someone's viewpoint was evil. ImmersiveOne (talk) 13:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's the same thing. Saying you would feel "evil" to agree with the present wording of the article basically means you think those who support it are evil. Per WP:NPA, insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done. There is a pattern in your comments of going right up to the line of outright accusing others of malfeasance. If your goal is to have your account blocked, you're on the right track. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 16:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I could see why my comment heavily implied it, but it was ultimately not my intent to attack you or make you feel that way. I was talking about myself and how I would feel about the matter. I wouldn't think someone is "evil" if they used the phrasing, because I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. I realize sometimes, they don't always use the best choice of words. I absolutely do not think you are evil, or would be, if you used the phrasing you suggested. Anyway, look, I apologize you seem to have felt attacked about it. I'll try to be more pleasant in the future. Let's just move on. ImmersiveOne (talk) 17:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, the old "I'm sorry you feel that way". Not the best choice of words indeed. If you are interested in collaborating effectively with other users, I suggest you strike through your "hissyfit" and "trash" comments as a show of good faith before you complain about "rudeness" or ask others to "move on". —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I didn't want to make a hasty judgement, assuming you were attacked. I feel talking to you is sort of like walking on eggshells. I apologize. I striked my comments out. I would appreciate an apology for your "have you heard of public libraries" comment, too. ImmersiveOne (talk) 19:01, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You repeatedly stated that you wanted to delete the 1989 source because you didn't have access to a copy, even after two different editors told you that convenience is not a factor in determining reliability of sources. In that context, I think the sarcastic quip about libraries was entirely warranted. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 19:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Final Warning

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make personal attacks on other people, as you did at WP:NORN#Misandry original research. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. Doug Weller talk 19:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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—Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing your own comments in talk page discussions

Hi, please see WP:REDACT for best practices when editing your comments that others have already replied to. Hope that helps! Schazjmd (talk) 23:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that if you mention someone in the notice board you should notify them

Hi, just a quick note that if you mention a specific user in Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard you should notify them of the discussion - the template for the notification is at the top of the notice board. I notified Grayfell as you mentioned them, but didn’t notify them. Thanks. Raladic (talk) 05:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]