User talk:Illyma45

August 2021

Hello, I'm TheEagle107. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Ibn Kathir seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. If you need further assistance with citing sources, please see the pages Wikipedia:Verifiability and Help:Referencing for beginners. Thank you. --TheEagle107 (talk) 05:04, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

As multiple others have pointed in edit history, there is absolutely no substantive “dispute” on the creed of ibn Kathir. The vast majority of both Islamic scholars, classical and modern, as well as non-Muslim historians, orientalists and academics attribute ibn Kathir to the Athari creed. A few users on here exaggerating the extent of a few polemical Ash’ari arguments in no way changes this. If we were to do this with every Islamic figure then majority of articles pertaining to them would say their creeds were “disputed”.

Secondly, the current edit is not even neutral. Cite a reputable neutral source that concurs with the assessment that the disagreement is “significantly”. This is your personal subjective assessment, it has no place in the article. Following on from that the phrase or something to the effect of “Ash’aris claim” needs to be included at the very least as a qualifier in the paragraph relating to his supposed theological views, as this was done in the paragraph about the Salafi view. So that consistency needs to be maintained, because Salafis are fully aware of his interpretations of the stated verses and have no issues whatsoever with them and vehemently maintain that they are not Ash’ari theological views nor do the contain any ta’wil. The two sources cited for this claim are from Ash’aris, ergo polemical in nature and therefor they are Ash’aris “claims”, not outright objective facts. Illyma45 (talk) 11:10, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Oh sorry mate, forgot to start off with Hello. That was rude of me. Illyma45 (talk) 11:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

• considerable not significant Illyma45 (talk) 11:18, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

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