User talk:Hypecal helper

ESS

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I noticed that you reused the page ESS to create a new article about Event Standard Syndication. By doing so, you deleted a long list of other uses of that term; you can't just delete all of that to replace it with your own favorite topic. Now, if Event Standard Syndication is noteworthy, it would be nice to have an article about it. We'll have to look into that. For the time being, I will post what you wrote at User:Hypecal helper/ESS so you can keep working at it. Please bear with me; that may take some time since I need to separate your edits to the page from the previous edits; I forgot how that works. — Sebastian 18:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that you recreated the page in article space. There is a reason why I moved your contributions to your user space. Since there is no use in having two copies, I will delete that page for now. Please be patient and don't make any such rash actions again and bring it up here first; Wikipedia is based on cooperation; people who refuse to cooperate will get blocked. — Sebastian 19:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I looked at http://eventstandardsyndication.org, and it does look nice. So I will delete the userfied version instead. However, what I said above about the need for cooperation still holds; you already did two rash actions as described above, and have so far refused any cooperation, so please take note that you have been officially warned. — Sebastian 19:54, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Sebastian, sorry for the first page replacement of ESS, I though the page was empty and ready to be written as a new one. We are two web developers (Gabriel Shpilt and I, Brice Pissard) the authors of ESS and we are trying now to spread out this new open XML feed (similare to RSS but dedicated to events). So of course we are completely up to cooperation with the wikipedia community. It's not the first time we help wikipedia by adding new informations in the website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypecal helper (talk • contribs)

I see, thanks for the reply. I don't quite see how you could have thought the page was empty; but we can let bygones be bygones.

One thing that is often omitted when relatively new people create new articles is establishing notability; in the current version of the article I have not seen any links to reliable third party sources; I recommend checking out Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (web). — Sebastian 20:18, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I must say, I have a problem with your continued pushiness: When you put "your" article on top of the existing list at ESS, it doesn't inspire confidence that you really feel sorry for the wholesale deletion we just talked about. — Sebastian 20:40, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sebastian, we understand the necessity of wikipedia to require references that ESS is still in the process of receiving. Could would please have two more weeks to leave this page in this current public area or in our private user space available to web users as an external link to clearly explain ESS? As soon as we have this feed validated, we will make the necessary corrections to the article. Hypecal helper (talk) 08:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ESS source

We are now launching ESS. We already have submitted an RFC XML documentation and are waiting for an answer in order to enter it into their Draft list.

As well, we have created free and open-source libraries to generate ESS feeds in GitHub (in various web languages): https://github.com/hypecal/

The idea behind ESS is to federate as many event providers as possible to unify for the first time event broadcasting into one feed.

Our next step is to aggregate ESS feeds and make the results available in an Event search engine, all of which is and will be free. And realy it's an hard work ! Hypecal helper (talk) 20:45, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly believe that it's hard work. I understand and sympathize with your enthusiasm. But obviously, you're using Wikipedia to promote your project, which is frowned upon by the community here; and I could have simply speedily deleted it, as happens a lot here! But I like your project, especially because it's open source. Therefore, I'm willing to cut you some slack and help you. That is why I initially moved the article to your user space; that would have been a good place for you to edit it.

But as it stands, your article is in article space, and we have strict criteria for that. You can't have both: Either you work on it in user space, or you meet the strict criteria. Notability is one of them, and it still hasn't been established. Your own web site obviously isn't independent, and GitHub isn't a secondeary source, either. That said, I am sure that in due time there will be enough reliable sources for it. Please therefore, be patient, and take back your pushiness a couple of notches. — Sebastian 21:05, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sebastian, I understand the necessity of Wikipedia to be sure of the validity of what it is published on its portal. We will work on the direction of founding references to prouve ESS validity. Could you please, when the time will come, move the content of this page in an area of Wikipedia where we can still add privately the required informations. Hypecal helper (talk) 18:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Event Standard Syndication

The article Event Standard Syndication has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No evidence of notability; no references that directly address the subject of this article; promotional; "how to" article

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. andy (talk) 12:03, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE: IMHO all these issues are fixable (except maybe notability). Please consider this proposed deletion notice as a request to meet wikipedia's standards, nothing more. andy (talk) 12:08, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Andy, we appreciate the feedback and we are currently working on proving the validity by external sources. The code has been tried and proven and we are working on gaining users. In the meantime, please have a look at Event Standard Syndication to understand the improvements that this technology offers over current open-source feeds available to publishers. Event Standard Syndication is not the same as RSS. Hypecal helper (talk) 08:54, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]