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Keep it up

Just saw you added detailed summaries to the 1973 hurricane season (I have all pages 1889-2010 on my watchlist :D). You're doing a great job! Keep it up. -- RattleMan 03:06, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm glad someone noticed. :) You are doing a good job yourself with the early years (1800's). Isn't the Wikipedia hurricane community such a nice place to stay? Hurricanehink 03:17, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree 100% with Rattleman. Your work in the hurricane articles has been great (I can see the blush from here :)). You and I seem to share a passion for hurricanes. You appear to have extensive knowledge of the subject and have applied them in your articles, which are well written, I might add. Perhaps you and I can share information in the future.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:43, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks (yea, you saw the blush :) ). I can't believe the E. Brown talked on my page! You have kept this whole hurricane archive together, and I look forward to keep contributing. Thanks! Hurricanehink 01:44, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I've created something like 40 hurricane season articles from 1955-1900. It was my main project coming into Wikipedia. As you can probably see, I'm very proud of my hurricane obsession. I over 200 sat photos of tropical cyclones from around the world organzed into Microsoft Word pages by year. Here's some of the stats:

Atlantic: 1977-1978, 1980-1983, 1987, and 1991-2004
E. Pacific: 1996-2004
W. Pacific: 1995-2004
US Landfalling Hurricanes Since 1965
Various other stuff

I have also compiled a basic hurricane database that goes back a ways (1948 I think). If you'd like to see any of that, give me your e-mail address and I'll shoot it to you. All right, enough bragging, what do you do to channel your obsession?

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 22:32, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That would be cool. My address is Hurricanehinker@aol.com. Yea, hurricanes is my main project here at Wikipedia. To channel my obsession, lol, I research hurricane facts and oddities. Like you, I also have a file of hurricane stuff. The question is, what do we do when we're done?!?!

Hurricanehink 23:04, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good question, I keep referring back to the sat photos just to see the stunning images (even if the quality sucks sometimes). A hurricane is a beautiful thing. Frightening, but beautiful. teric89@aol.com...an address I've had for a damned long time. By the way, any particular article you want me to send?

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 23:24, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you have it, I would love 1950. That season was another crazy one. 8 major hurricanes, one of which could have been as strong as Gilbert. Easy looped towards Florida. King hit Miami dead on. The season was very interesting. Hurricanehink 00:03, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Don't have much info on that season. Nothing beyond what you could dig up from UNISYS. Satellites weren't around then (@$#%&!) and radar was in its infancy ($#!+!). Damn I wish I had more.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:13, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh shit, this is why I don't use AOL anymore because it couldn't suck enough. You can't send attachments any bigger than 16 f***ing Megabytes. That has to be the most retarded thing I have ever heard. I'll try and figure out a way to get it to you. God I hate AOL.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:37, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aww, oh well. You could just put it on here if you want. If I could have one wish, it would be to have satellite imagery since the beginning of time of Atlantic hurricanes, as well as track maps to correspond to it. I hate how little information we have! We only have like 40 years of semi-reliable data, if that. Imagine what sort of surprises the past had. What if the South Atlantic was more active? What if there was a tropical cyclone that went from the coast of Africa, went across Central America, all the way across the Pacific, and went through the Indian ocean? Damn I wish we had infinite satelite imagery and complete track maps.Hurricanehink 00:58, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sending 1995 as a test to see if sending them one at a time will work. It just sent now (so it says). I think (/hope) that I just got megabytes and kilobytes confused and that sending just one at a time will not overwhelm the feeble system.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 01:08, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Score!. Anyway, Barry and Chantal were near hurricanes at peak intensity. Despite the pitiful satellite presentations, Pablo had 55 mph sustained winds and Sebastien had a hard-to-believe 60 mph sustained winds, and those sat pics were of them at that intensity! Unbelievable? Believe it! :D I'll send the other two interesting seasons your way. PS: did you like the cut lines (ex: Luis "Monsters are Forever")? I'm an author so I get caught up in those things.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 01:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, the little lines were nice :) Thanks again for this. One question, do you type out User: E brown, Hurricane enthusiast, Squawk Box every time you leave a message, or do you have a special command? Just wondering.... Hurricanehink 01:43, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nice little conversation you guys are having here. I am interested. Anyway, there's a place online where you can upload files for free: Yousendit. After it's uploaded, you are supplied a link which can be given to other users to download it. (Note: You don't have to supply an email, just upload the file [Step 2 only] and you'll be given the link.) By the way, I didn't know you went to S2K's Talkin' Tropics, Hurricanehink :) Nice place, eh? -- RattleMan 02:02, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Now it got better, we got Rattleman! Yea, Storm2k is great. It is very hard balancing time between here and there, and still having time for a life! Good call on the website..... I'll have to use that sometime, but not tonight. E. Brown, another page of Hurricane wonders, very nice. Hurricanehink 02:46, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricanehink, I use the four tildes (~~~~) to sign my name. I thought you did too. By the way, isn't the 1997 West Pacific season (which I assume you recieved) unbelievable: 9 Category 5s!

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 02:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I only get "RattleMan 03:47, 4 October 2005 (UTC)" when doing the four tildes. Hurricanehink, I think you can change what appears in your signature by editing the "Nickname" portion of your preferences (User data). Check out Metawiki Help on this for more info. -- RattleMan 03:47, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I was just curious. Yea, I use four tildes, but I was just wondering if you had to type that out evert time. 1997 was quite a season around the world.

Yeah, except in the Atlantic :D.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 23:49, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

1997 was pretty interesting in the Atlantic. 4 storms before August, all from non-tropical orogin, nothing in August, but yea, the 1997 Atlantic hurricane season was pretty pathetic. Hurricanehink 23:53, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

1966 hurricane season

Have you noticed how thoroughly weird that season was? I noted some of the oddities on the discussion page.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 23:24, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

pre-1890 hurricane seasons

So what will it take to convince you the older seasons should be 1880s Atlantic hurricane seasons rather than 1880-1889 Atlantic hurricane seasons? I want to be able to use {{Atlantic hurricane season categories|1880s}} and {{Atlantic hurricane season|1880s}} and have the categories work out right (to Category:1880s Meteorology and Category:1880s). See Category:1880-1889_Atlantic_hurricane_seasons and 1880-1889_Atlantic_hurricane_seasons. Because the "parents" all use 1880s (I used 1880s in the templates for the year, so you end up with Category:1880s for instance) it would be rather more sensible for the name to be 1880s as well (rather than 1880-1889). Jdorje 17:21, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just liked the sound and look of 1880-1889 Atlantic hurriane seasons. Further down the road, at around 1750s, it will go by 20 year increments. You can't have 1740s and 1750s Atlantic hurricane seasons. Basically, it is to keep consistency with the other seasons. I never really thought about it too much, but I liked 1880-1889 Atlantic hurriane seasons more than 1880s, mainly to keep the whole archive the same. How were you planning to address the 1740-1759 Atlantic hurricane seasons? 1740s and 1750s or 1740-1759? Hurricanehink 18:45, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't thought about two-decade season entries (you're right, that wouldn't work at all under my system), but I figured further back it would go by century-long season entries ({{Atlantic hurricane season|17th century}}). For 1740-1759, what top-level category does it go into? Both Category:1740s and Category:1750s? Or is there something better? ... Note, I'm not dead-set against your system: as Category:1880-1889 Atlantic hurricane seasons shows it does work with the templates I created to give a consistent and easy-to-write set of categories. The problem is when you get into higher-level categories like Category:1880s Meteorology - these won't work with multi-decade entries, but will work with year, decade, or century-long entries. Jdorje 19:02, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever floats your boat is fine with me. I am just doing the articles. Could it just be 1880-1889, and that appears under 1880s meterology, rather than changing all of the articles? It would be a little out of place, but it still works with the current system. By the way, the seasons will be 20 years for 1600-1760, 1500s will be 1492-1549, and 1550-1599. Not sure how you are going to categorize that... Could it be 1740s Meteorology, 1750s Meteorology? Hurricanehink 21:25, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the articles is no problem; we just have to move them. But if you're going to do articles in 2-decade groups then we can't do it my way. So lets leave it the way you have it for now and I'll try to work something out with the category templates. Jdorje 21:42, 7 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK so here's my plan for categorization:

Use {{Atlantic hurricane season categories|}} template on the season pages. should either be 1870s (for a 1870-1879 season page) or 18th century (for a multi-decade 1760-1779 season page) or 1985 (for a 1985 season page).
When a new season page is created, create the season category for it too. Use {{Atlantic hurricane season|}} for this. works the same as above.
Thus the top-level categories will be 1870s and 1870s meteorology and 17th century and 17th century meteorology. This means (for instance) there may be 5 different season entries under 17th century meteorology but I think that's better than worring about multiple categorizations.
The same works for Pacific hurricane and Pacific typhoon seasons; just substitute the text in the template (and later for NIndian and SPacific).
Also, add {{hurricane}} to the talk page of newly-created season articles.

What do you think? Jdorje 22:44, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds good. I'm not really that picky. I just write the articles, and if someone rips it apart completely to something much different, so be it. If I forget, I'm sorry, but I'll try to remember this. Good job in the massive organization in the hurricane sector of Wikipedia, by the way. Also now that you're here (hopefully), what should define a hurricane stub? I try and upgrade stubs from time to time, and try to put everything in, but someone puts back the dreaded stub symbol. Shouldn't a stub simply be an article with only a few sentences? Hurricanehink 01:39, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: 1990

No I don't, sorry. I tried to hunt some down but I couldn't find a single one. Of all the seasons I don't have pages on since 1977, 1990 is the only one where I found zero sat photos. I have 2 for '79, 1 for '84, 4 for 1985, 2 for 1986, 4 for 1988, 3 for 1989, and 0 for 1990. :( I posted what I have in the Keep It Up section.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 17:46, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aww, I forgot about that section (duh)! I don't think there is a picture anywhere on earth of a 1990 storm, honestly. Hurricanehink 17:48, 8 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I thought the same thing when I was searching for them. Strange ain't it. The 1990 Monthly Weather Review is a piece of ~~shit~~ crap. It hardly offers any information.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 21:49, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, yea. I was lucky to drag some information of the NHC archives... The 1990 reports were there, but some pages were conviently missing (namely the Damage and Casualties page for Klaus and Marco!). Ironically, the only pics we have of 1990 tropical cyclones are of the tropical depressions... Hurricanehink 22:00, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

hurricane articles

Use {{infobox hurricane nopic}} where needed when there's no picture available. Jdorje 03:36, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Doh. I see you already added a lot of infoboxes by hand. Can these all be convered to use the template? Jdorje 03:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, I used the template... I'm not sure exactly what you want, but I'll try and use the template whenever possible. Hurricanehink 11:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

An example is Hurricane Gracie where you used a simple table format rather than {{infobox hurricane nopic}}. There was at least one other hurricane article like this that I already fixed (but I don't remember which). The disadvantage of the table format is it doesn't follow any changes to the template (for instance when we add pressure to the template, it will be much harder to track these down). Jdorje 18:10, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How was Gracie's template not followed? It shows the date, highest winds, damages, fatalities, areas affected, and season from. Hurricanehink 19:18, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Because it doesn't use the template! ;-) {{infobox hurricane}}, {{infobox hurricane nopic}}, and {{infobox hurricane needed}} are the three templates. Jdorje 21:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'm confused. I thought I followed the infobox hurricane nopic template. The only thing I see that I may have done wrong is the Kilometers per hour, but that's not essential. What did I do wrong with the Hurricane Gracie page? Hurricanehink 21:42, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh. It seems likely that you don't understand how templates work. See Wikipedia:Templates for some documentation, or see the example below, or check out the examples in 1928 Okeechobee Hurricane (picture form) and 1947 Fort Lauderdale Hurricane (nopic form).

Oh yeah, and see [1] for an example of the fix. It's easy to switch over and will make writing new articles (or adding to existing ones) much easier...what's hard is finding which articles don't use the template form. Jdorje 22:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I saw the little mistakes. It wasn't that big of a deal (I hope I got right...)Hurricanehink 22:14, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I think you still don't see the difference. Look at the wiki code.

Wow, I must be really stupid. For the Gracie article, aside from the picture that would be hard to find, it is mostly the same. Considering that I have no idea what I am doing wrong, I will let others fix it. Like I said, I will try and write, but I am a teenage moron who knows next to nothing about computers. Hurricanehink 02:04, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. Ok, one final try. The Gracie article is the same because I already fixed it. See [2], where I replace your custom infobox with a template one. I also fixed a couple of others so I think all now use the template form (hmm, but now I think about it I might have just added {{infobox hurricane needed}} back instead). Jdorje 04:35, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That further proes my stupidity. I will try and follow that template from now on. Hurricanehink 11:38, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hall of Fame

I sent you my 'Hurricane Hall of Fame' yesterday. Did you get it?

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 21:52, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't get it until today. Very nice, good captions... Good Hall-of-Fame. Hurricanehink 22:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Faith's captions are my personal favorite. I also like the cutline (in quotes) for the Perfect Storm (listed as Halloween 1991). Do you have a favorite? Any suggestions for future inductees? Had to add a few to the Category 5 Club, and will probably have to add even more to the Legion of Retired Names. The damned West Pacific's always better though. Reminds me of the American League and the National League: we're good, but the American League is always better. Only difference is that that's probably a good thing for the Atlantic.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 22:28, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

They're all really clever. The vanishing act, spring chicken, live forever, and Look out Santa are my favorites (with Faith and Perfect Storm great as well.... boo!?!?) Inductees... only important ones I can think of are Gordon (1994) or Kyle (2002) at the time. Yea, damn WPAC. Also, too bad about the Braves... Hurricanehink 02:58, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thought Gordon was in there, I'll double check. Good to bring up Kyle, I hadn't thought of him yet. I'm an author and I pour my artistic abilities into the cutlines (my 81 page novel too...). One of my all time favorites is for West Pacific Tropical Storm Frankie (1996) "Putting it Frankly". That year had some good ones, I'll send you a copy. Yeah, the Braves, damn shame. That happened to be the one night our star closer didn't have it. Gave up a grand slam and a solo shot. We could have won even with the grand slam. With out that other homer, we would have still won it 6-5. All I can do now is root for the Cardinals. You gotta admit though, the West Pacific defines incredible. Those storms are fed by the massive monsoons that occur regularly in the Far East. It's like a fountain of youth for them.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 05:23, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane diane

How could Hurricane Diane have been the first billion-dollar hurricane if Hurricane Betsy was the first billion-dollar hurricane? Jdorje 22:31, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is that Diane caused a billion in combination with Connie? I'll have to change that. Hurricanehink 22:56, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're Not Going to believe this

You're not. NSLE is nominating me for adminship. I haven't accepted yet, I got sit on it for a short bit, but I'm a little stunned right now. I originally got involved with Wikipedia just as a medium for my hurricane obsession. I never in my wildest dreams thought that someone would feel I would deserve the honor. I feel like a rookie going to the World Series. I don't know what to think now.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 13:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's awesome! You deserve it. You kept this whole project together, abide by all the rules... You should be an admin! Best of luck! Hurricanehink 15:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh well. Looks like I'm probably not going to win this battle. 19 supports, 11 oppose, 4 neutrals. That ain't consensus and I'd have to pull something resembling a miracle to get consensus in five days. I'll work on the feedback and maybe I can get the title next time. Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde 02:04, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aww... Maybe next time! Hurricanehink 11:34, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

They only mentioned one thing to work on, that doesn't sound too hard to fix now does it. I'll try again in a month or two.

Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde 23:04, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nice!Hurricanehink 23:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

1947 Fort Lauderdale Hurricane

Are you sure that $110 million (1947 dollars) is $3.1 billion (2005 dollars)? This seems wrong given the conversions given for 1926 Miami Hurricane and 1928 Okeechobee Hurricane. Jdorje 21:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The conversion factor is for 1990, not 2005. I just used the same converging factor they used for the previous edit (the $31 million to $900 million ratio). I don't know where I can find conversions, though. Do you have a website for them? Possible thanks in advance... Hurricanehink 21:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I figured that's what you did. The numbers there before I copied from the previous article (probably by EBrown) but I suspect they are quite wrong. How can $31 million/1947 be $900 million/1990 if $100 million/1928 is only $800 million/2005? Obviously one of these is wrong...and the 1947 article doesn't have sources so I suspect that's the erronous one. Jdorje 00:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I fixed it using information from this website.

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

I'll use that from now on, and quick catch on the mistake. Do you have every last hurricane article in your favorites? Hurricanehink 01:07, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good work, but I was talking about 1947 Fort Lauderdale Hurricane not 1944 Great Atlantic Hurricane. And no, I only have the articles I've contributed to noticably in my favorites (but it's easy to see a full list of changes by looking at [3] (but it's got lots of unrelated changes too, and is of course dominated by changes to the Wilma article). Now, about inflation...I'm not sure how accurate inflation calculators are (they may be really accurate; I don't know). Ideally we could get the with-inflation data straight from the NHC. [4] would be a good start...but you have to be careful not to get adjusted-for-population or without-inflation numbers. Let's see...table 3a from that report [5] has the 1947 hurricane listed as $930 million/2000 dollars (#29 on the left). It lists the 1944 hurricane as 1.22 billion/2000 dollars. Unfortunately (1) the table doesn't go beyond #30 and (2) it includes only US damages. The 1928 Okeechobee Hurricane is included under Puerto Rico in the addendum list at the bottom...at 1.217 billion dollars/2000...which is way more than the wikipedia article gives...and that probably doesn't include damages from Guadaloupe or Florida. So in summary: I guess we have a major problem trying to find accurate numbers here, and I don't know what to do about it. Jdorje 01:48, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops! Sorry, not that awake, stayed up late last night watching Wilma. Good call on the links below, use them all the time :) Hurricanehink 02:47, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane data

Since you've been writing so many season articles, here's some interesting data.

[6] This page has links to track charts for every season...all the way back to 1851. Unlike the UNISYS tracks these are from the NHC and should be public domain. One day I'll probably get the motivation to upload every one of them to wikipedia and add them to the season articles.
[7] The monthly weather review for each year. These are surely copyrighted but could provide some useful data.

Hurricane Season Track Maps

Check out [8] and [9]. Jdorje 01:06, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling

Hi - great job on the hurricane seasons!

I don't know if you're responsible, since the hurricane season articles seem to be based on some kind of template, but in all the ones I've visited, including ones where you're the only editor, "Philippine(s)" has been misspelled as "Phillipine(s)". I've fixed it where I've seen it, but maybe you could keep your eyes open too? — Haeleth Talk 22:28, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aw crap! That's how I've always (mis)spelled it. My bad, and good catch! I'll try and fix them all. Thanks, so yea I am responsible for it... Hurricanehink 22:34, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

South east Pacific storms

This discussion was brought up earlier. I found a storm that not only formed in the southeast Pacific, it formed east of the International Date Line! Its name was Leo and it formed in March of 2000. Here's the track: [10]. Here's JTWC's report. Not much in it though. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 20:14, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! What a weird basin. The East Pacific, north or south, both hold many secrets. Good find. Hurricanehink 20:36, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I got another one for you...

Hurricane Alice

I have struck gold: NOAA has a radar image of the fabled winter hurricane! This is an unbelievable image. I cannot believe this exists! [11]. It has been added to the Alice article. For a hurricane freak obsessed with finding hurricane images, this is the Holy Grail. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 23:24, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

WHOA!!!! Awesome find! You have struck gold, and awesome job doing so. Hurricanehink 23:29, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing. Nice job finding it! -- RattleMan 00:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It was taken from USS Midway near the British Virgin Islands on January 1, the storm's first day as a hurricane. At the time, it had winds of 65 knots (75 mph). It would peak on January 3, with winds of 70 knots and would maintain that all day. I still can't believe it. I feel like I just found an ancient relic from antiquity. It appears to be a well structured storm. It has all the signs of a rare cold-water/warm-core system, with that massive eye and most of the strong convection on the southeast side of the storm. Reminds me of Hurricane Vince a little bit in that respect. Cyclone Catarina too. All three had roughly the same intensities: Vince-65 kts, Alice-70 kts, and Catarina-roughly 80 kts. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 01:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

1893 season

The wikification that guy is doing on the 1893 season isn't vandalism, it's just stupidity. Jdorje 18:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I know exactly who you are talking about. He is beyond vandalising pages throughout the entire Tropical Cyclone pages. We need some bannage for this guy, but I am glad that we are catching it before it is too late. Hurricanehink 21:57, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It appears we have two anons who do very similar things; 209.96.177.53 and 164.106.201.50, and it's getting a little annoying. Hurricanehink 22:19, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Apology

If anyone is on this site, im sorry that I have linked articles that doesnt exist on your tropical cyclone page. But I thought that there were enough information out there about the storms that an article could've been written but I see now that I was wrong. Also I dont know to let you know about new information. Again sorry for your inconvience. User:209.96.177.53 15 November 2005 8:45am (EST)

Thank you for the apology. I'm sorry for assuming you were a vandal, but I see where you're coming from. There could be enough information for the articles, but because none were created yet, all of the content is in the seasonal article. In the future, you can click preview, and if there is a red link, that means that no article exists yet, so you don't have to put a link to them. I appreciate the apology, and if you want to write an article for the storms you linked to, you can find some help at the bottom of the seasonal pages (that is if you want to). Hurricanehink 15:20, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for helping with the 1970 Pacific hurricane season article. Information before 1995 in that basin is in pieces and is really hard to find. Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 22:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Typhoon Vamei, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Typhoons in Japan

Hi Hurricanehink!

While cleaning up the category Category:History of Japan I created a subcategory Category:Natural disasters in Japan to collect all the typhoons and earthquakes and volcanic eruptions and other notable events. If you happen to create a new article about a typhoon that swept over Japan, please add it there. Keep up the good work, -- Mkill 21:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Fan

Hey Hurricanehink, i'm Hurricane Devon. I didn't know any other wikipedians liked Hurricanes. I think we have a lot in common. We're close in age, I was born in 1989, but scince I was born in December, I was held back (somewhat), I'm in my sophmore year in high school. I like futurama, family guy, south park, music, bickriding, & video games. I was born right near New Jersey, I was born in Long Island. I remember the Hurricane in 1995. My family moved to Florida in 2001. Like you, I got an intrest in Hurricanes because I got hit by Charley, Frances, Jeanne, & Wilma (I lost so many school days). Unlike you and songs, I like Astronomy and other science. I got to go, talk soon. — Hurricane Devon (Talk) 18:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. First, I like Astronomy not Astrology. Two, I was born in Long Island not New Jersey (yet i've been to NJ to visit my Grandpa). Third, my family have been fine with the Hurricanes, only a little wood rot, nothin' sirius. I just thankful we didn't move to New Orleans. Talk later. — Hurricane Devon (Talk) 13:36, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. That's okay, LI is realy close to NJ. I didn't realized you like space too, I mainly study galaxies & exoplanets (hurricanes in space). like I said, Charley, Frances, Ivan, Jeanne, Arlene, Dennis, & Wilma. The worst that happened was woodrot, fallen branches, power outs, a fallen fence, & roof single losses. Nobody (that I konw) was killed or injured. I have a funny story about Dennis, my family just moved to a new house in FL in Nov. 04. I remember Arlene, but Bret & Cindy I don't remember hearing about, I just heard Dennis was a Hurricane. My mom thought thet Dennis was going to hit our area, because (a guy named Dennis sold us the house) Dennis gave us the house, & Dennis will destroy the house.

Nice name Hurricanehink. Hurricane Devon, Devon is my first name. My last name is to common (Moore), so I didn't use it. (stupid queston: are you a boy or girl, your last name dosn't help much). The earlyest Hurricane I can remember was Felix in 1995 because we never got hurricane days of, just snow days. I'm not sure if I heard about Andrew, the only thing I can remember to the beggining was having a baby sister. The hurricane i'm interested in now is the New England Hurricane. Because I wasn't born to see it, but my Rhode Island grandma saw it, she was only 4 years old. I gotta go, talk later. — Hurricane Devon (Talk) 18:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hay. Andrew Hink, nice name. I'm Devon Moore. I see one reason why you didnt use your first name. & it's not that I haven't heard about Hurricane Andrew, I just watched a special about it on the Discovory Channel. It's just The farthest I can think back to was early 1993 (around whan my mom was pregnet with my sister Holland). I just read the artical about the New England Hurricane. It hit my home town of Suffolk. Talk soon. — Hurricane Devon (Talk) 22:23, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hay Andrew. I just looked up your name and saw this kid playing the sax (I read that you do). Is this you. — Hurricane Devon (Talk) 22:59, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Andrew. I've been busy for the past few weeks (mid-terms). That was you from 5-years ago. You & me look so alike. I was looking at Greek alphebet thing, & I like your idea. But it wasn't until this year I found out about the Greek names (Epsilon is my favorite of all 2005).

Question: is there only your set of names for all sets of names. Or are there more names for all sets of names.

But the thing that won me over was you used my name. I love that, i've always wanted my name to be a hurricane. Did you put my name on because we're friends...etc. Or is this a cincidence. Talk later. — Hurricane Devon ( Talk ) 14:51, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane category sorting

Unnamed hurricanes are sorted by year not name. So for instance it should be [[Category:Atlantic hurricanes|* (1952)]] for a 1952 storm. Sorting them by name isn't useful since, well, they're unnamed ;-). See Category:Atlantic hurricanes and other categories for examples. Jdorje 20:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, ok. I'll try to keep that in mind. Hurricanehink 21:23, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Hurricane Alma (1966), which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Proper nouns

Speaking of 1870-1879_Atlantic_hurricane_seasons here...you can't have it both ways. It's either Western Atlantic (if that's a proper noun) or western Atlantic (if it's not). It can't be Western Atlantic because Western is not a proper noun by itself. (P.S. Great writing lately, I'm just nit-picking stuff to try to make the grammar perfect.) Jdorje 06:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Heh heh...you asked me once before if I had every hurricane page on my watchlist. Well, I didn't then, but now I do! Except I only have a few of the seasons. Most of them don't get changed much (and half of it is vandalism) so it doesn't take that much work. Jdorje 17:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Great Storm of 1703

I was sure that the Great Storm of 1703 was a hurricane because found an article classifying the storm as a "hurricane". Heres the article about the storm[12] User:164.106.201.50 December 6, 2005 8:31 EST

Hurricane Dennis (1999) image

I'm having trouble trying to put an image of Hurricane Dennis(1999) on the article. heres the image im trying to upload;http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/images/hurr-dennis-19990830-1957utc-n14cl.jpg User:164.106.201.50, 6 December 2005 8:35EST

North Indian Cyclone naming

In the section of list of old tropical cyclone names, it explains that North Indian Cyclones were not named before 2004. But in the section of the 1980-84 North Indian cyclone seasons, it said that there was a tropical storm named "Aurora". Why's that? User: 164.106.201.50 8:47 EST December 6, 2005

Hurricane Belle and other storm images

Ive found an satallite image of Hurricane Belle off the Carolina coast. [13] User 164.106.201.50, December 6, 2005 8:50EST.

I have found an image of 1973's Hurricane Ellen photographed from space but im havimg trouble trying to put it on the seasonal article. Heres the picture if you are interested[14].

Jesus

Check out the Jesus article and edit it to keep it focused on Jesus and a biographical account of Him. Watch the Jesus page to keep it focused on Him. Thank you. Scifiintel 22:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

1892

someone has put a table about the storms occuring in 1892. That needs to go because it limits article expansion. Go to 1892 Atlantic hurricane season to see for yourself. storm05 10:24(EST) December 7, 2005.

Hurricane Images

Im still trying to upload the image of 1999 Hurricane Dennis to the seasonal article but I was unable to do so. So I put the link to the image in the External link section of the article. storm05 December 7, 2005. 10:56am EST.

Ive found a good image of Hurricane Kyle of 2002 [15] storm05 December 8, 2005 12:22 PM EST

I've also found an image of Hurricane Lili of 1996 [16] December 8, 2005 12:30pm EST

I have found picture of a newspaper headiling about Hurricane Connies approch. [17] storm 05 11:08 AM EST DEC 9, 2005

Commons pics

Any time you upload an image make sure you categorize it. There's a sort of complicated system for categorizing on commons, but it's not very complete. Look under Category:Tropical cyclones and its children. Jdorje 02:19, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, use a sub-category like "Atlantic hurricanes". At some point we'll probably go through and recat all of the pictures there...just make sure all pictures are in one of the TC categories, so that we'll know where to find it. Jdorje 17:55, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You've Earned It!

For all of your tireless work on Tropical Cyclone-related articles, I award you the Original Barnstar. You've earned it through your hard work, both visible and invisible. You provide valuable info, make nice suggestion, create informative and accurate new article, and even correct my mistakes. You deserve this award today. Keep up the good work and congratulations again! Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 23:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Articles (Again)

Ive put a full blown article about Hurricane Esther of 1961, I hope you like it. Storm 05, December 13, 2005 1:15PM EST.

I've found an article about a hurricane in the Great Lakes in the 1996 Hurricane Season talk page. I never heard about this storm, should it be put in the 1996 Hurricane Season page? Storm 05, December 13, 2005 1:16PM EST.

1991 Pacific typhoon season

You've got mail. I just sent you my latest one. A lot of the pics suck. I'm sending it to you mainly for Yuri (which is and awesome name for a storm). I thought the cutline was pretty cool myself, online translators are a wonderful thing. You be the judge. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 05:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Lili 1996

I wrote an artile about hurricane lili of 1996 but someone deleted it can you be able to get the article back?, respond if you see this message. storm05 December 14, 2005 12:34PM EST

Hurricane Articles 3

Ive made full blown articles of Hurricane Lili of 1996 and Hurricane Ginny of 1963. Hope you'll like these. Respond imediatlely if you see this message. Storm 05 Dec 16,2005 1:23 EST.

Pressure

Nice work adding pressure to all the articles. I was holding off because I was trying to think what else should be added to the infobox first, but I guess you beat me to it. Next, I was thinking the category should be added to the infobox: like is used for {{HurricaneActive}}. Jdorje 06:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

See User:Jdorje/Sandbox for an example. Jdorje 17:21, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed you left a message about the infoboxes; I think I've fixed them. Please look and check! Thanks! --AySz88^-^ 21:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The error happens because of the {{if}} template, which some admins have apparently decided to forcibly remove. Jdorje 22:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You can fix those storms by doing a "purge" of the cache. Click on edit, then edit the URL line so "edit" is changed to "purge", then load that new URL. Not worthwhile for stuff like this, but it is useful when you are editing a template and need to see its effects immediately on pages which use it, and a few other cases. Jdorje 23:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In time, yes they'll all be fixed. However the problem here was that {{infobox hurricane nopic}} hadn't been fixed. Jdorje 23:16, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Hurricane Articles

I thought that there was enough information about Hurricane Ginny to warrant an seperate article. The same thing applies for the 1995 Hurricane Allison article.

As for the important storms,i think that there are more information about those storms out there but information these days are hard to find. Storm05 December 19, 2005 1:22PM EST

I've wrote a full article on Hurricane Dennis (1981), hope you like it, Also i had found the satallite image of 1981's hurricane dennis but i'm unable to upload it.

respond imedalely if you see this message. Storm05 17:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: 1991 Western Pacific Typhoon Season

So I take it you got my e-mail reply, if you didn't there's one waiting for you. I'll shoot 2005AHS over to you in just a few minutes. Some of the cutlines may be obscure but I have descripions of them on a Wikipedia talk page that I'll link you to once you get the article. Wouldn't want to spoil the surprise :).

Merry Christmas, Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 20:53, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Uhhh, we could have a problem. My 2005AHS file is MASSIVE. It is 42.1 megabytes in size! Jesus! I have a page twice as long that isn't half as big as that! I may have to send it to you in pieces, AOL won't let me do and I don't want to crash your computer ;D. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 21:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Found the problem. Katrina detroyed the Gulf Coast and my computer! My high-res Katrina picture in 33.6 megabytes! God! I'm sending the page to you without Katrina. I'll just link you to the place where I got my Katrina picture from and you can look at it there. Wow, I've heard of destructive hurricanes, but this is ridiculous!. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 21:42, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fantasy List

I agree with having a 7th list for hurricanes. Then again, the greek alphabet is rarely used. If it becomes frequent, Your plan is a good idea. -- Eddie 03:23, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, when Hurricanes were first named, they used the Phonetic Alphabet. If season like 2005 maybe their will be a change. -- Eddie 05:51, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Commons images

If possible, please be sure to categorize images on the Commons. There are several tropical cyclone categories there. Thanks. --tomf688^{talk} 15:44, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical Cyclones

I probaly going to expand some florida hurricanes later on like Hurricane Andrew, maybe make it a featured article. Also fight some vandalism there. Thanks for the welcome :) --Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 02:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tracy pic

Nice find! I couldn't have found that in a million years! -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 00:41, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I hope not too. I guess I shouldn't be that surprised but sat photos of Southern Hemisphere storms before 1990 are pretty rare. Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 00:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Formed and dissipated fields

The formed and dissipated fields of the infobox should have the full date (December 28, 2005), so that the wikification can work and show it correctly for different people. Also, I renamed the {{{total damages (USD)}}} field as {{{total damages}}} (the units have to be included anyway so this isn't helpful), so while we're updating them just drop the extra (USD) bit from that. Jdorje 20:44, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, and there's more work coming when we try to add more stuff from the french template. But we don't have to update them all at once since it should work okay without the added fields. BTW I added "lowest pressure" for the last few remaining articles missing it - mostly old SPac storms that had unknown pressure, though there was one 2005 one that I managed to find a pressure on but it's not certain that it was the lowest one. Jdorje 20:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, I started to update some articles but it looks like you're systematically going through the Atlantic. I'll work on the other basins...starting with the NIndian. BTW, does it bother you that Category:Atlantic hurricanes includes all the disambiguation articles too? I originally added these categories, but now I find them annoying since there is no single category that lists all Atlantic hurricane main articles. Maybe we should remove them (but still leave the season categories, like Category:2005 Atlantic hurricane season). Or maybe all dab articles should be renamed so it's obvious they are disambiguations...though that might conflict with some wikipedia policy. Hmm. Jdorje 21:11, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You mean Category:Tropical cyclone disambiguation? Jdorje 21:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just an update: I also added now (with input from NSLE) the {{{category}}} and {{{type}}} fields. See Hurricane Wilma, Tropical Storm Allison, Typhoon Tip, Cyclone Zoe, 1991 Bangladesh cyclone for examples. NSLE said he'd update the wpac. I'll redo the NIndian and South. Then we'll just have to go over the epac and natlantic slowly. Jdorje 04:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And another update:I think I've updated the Atlantic and EPac storms, though I'm pretty sure I missed some. For the EPac I only did the retired storms plus Linda and John; there are way too many disambiguations there to weed through. Jdorje 07:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure I missed some, but I have no idea which ones. I think it's best just to wait and watch for the outdated ones to show up on Category:Incomplete hurricane infoboxes. After a few days (I really have no idea how long it takes, but it seems to be a really long time - this is certainly a failing of the software, though I'm sure the authors would say we're using it in a way it wasn't intended to be used) they should automatically make there way here. Jdorje 22:00, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure which could have been left out...looks like you found some already. BTW, I've started adding "you can help" sections to my change messages that link to the wikiproject or appropriate category; since I started doing this yesterday several new people have added their names to the wikiproject (though it could just be coincidence). Jdorje 22:47, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just include wikicode in the change message. update infobox - [[:Category:Incomplete hurricane infoboxes|you can help]]!. Jdorje 23:34, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Images for Every Storm

NO!

Time out for a second. We don't need images for every freaking storm back to the days of Donna! Let's not do this, it clogs the page with unhelpful images. Many of them suck so bad it's hard to tell what it is. Some are spectacular. But regardless of their quality, so many of them distract the reader from the article and all they do is think about the pictures. Not to mention the fact that people with older, slower or crappier computers want to shoot themselves every time they try to load the page. The bytes add up my friend. That's just a fact. '05 and now '04 load slow for me and my computer is relatively cooperative. I could be talked into pics for every hurricane but not every storm of the season! And this is coming from an obsessive lover and collector of hurricane satellite photos (I have over 200!). My instincts tell me to just find better images to replace sucky ones and leave it at that. But I think it is detracting from the article and many should be removed. I don't know how many seasons you've done it for but please stop, at least for now. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 04:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. However this argument should be taken over to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones, where it is already being discussed. Jdorje 07:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Moved discussion to the Wikiproject. Hurricanehink 21:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

infobox nopic

{{infobox hurricane nopic}} is supposedly deprecated. I used the "what links here" to get rid of all the users, then changed it to a message indicating the deprecated-ness. But bizarrely, there seem to be many more articles that use this template that aren't listed in "what links here". So how can we find them? Have we gotten them all? Should we change the template back? Jdorje 21:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]