User talk:Horologium/November 2008

Delaware River protection

Hey, thanks for protecting that! I wasn't sure what I had to do to get that taken care of, but I'm glad you came around to help out. Because you didn't follow protocol of the warning, warning again, etc, and just did it, you earned this:

		The Outlaw Halo Award
		This is for ignoring protocol regarding proctection and handling an obviously hurtful situation on Delaware River by protecting it when others wouldn't. Thanks! EaglesFanInTampa 18:09, 11 November 2008 (UTC) (about the award)

Thanks! I went ahead and created an award page to display it, now that I have three barnstars. (grin) Normally, I frown upon trampling other admins who decline protection, but a quick look at the history page, and the caption of the picture, told me that this needed to stop. I don't have the page watchlisted, so keep an eye out next month to see if it starts up again, or if someone registers an account to get around the semi-protection. Horologium (talk) 18:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I'll keep an eye out for you. Now, let's just hope they'll stay off it for a while so I can do other things instead of babysitting that page every single day. ;-) EaglesFanInTampa 19:12, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

More TKE vandalism

Hi there. The same group responsible for the shenanigans on the Del. River article seem to be at it again, but this time, directly on Camden, New Jersey. I put in the formal request to have it semi'd, but I don't know if I'll have any push back like last time. That's why I wanted to let you know, as well. Anything you can do to help, should they choose not to, would be greatly appreciated. Stupid college frat boys with nothing else better to do. When I was in college, I looked for women! Geez! EaglesFanInTampa 17:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

They have since protected the page for a week, though I personally don't think that'll be long enough. I'll let you know if anything changes, same as Delaware River. Enjoy the rest of your day! EaglesFanInTampa 18:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

A&R

I fail to see how those are spam links. Both sites, Crazed Hits and Kings of A&R, are leading A&R websites, read by music industry professionals from all over the world. These sites are not commercial, they are free to access and offer inside information into the world of A&R. Therefore, they offer additional information to the term "A&R" and should be listed either as external links or references. -- Flashbaxx —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flashbaxx (talk • contribs) 23:32, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

The Network

How's it going? You told me to give you an update on what's been going on with the repeated "humor" vandalism from "The Network", should it crop up again. Well, it unfortunately has, but this time on Cooper River (New Jersey) and I'm getting the same backlash from the WP:RFP people, as you can see there. It's bad that I constantly have to plead my case about this, but apparently, people don't always realize that being hard-fast on protocol (warnings, blocks, etc) causes too much red tape to fix anything. I'm not saying those should be ignored; I'm just saying not all situations can be fixed by those "remedies". A block will cause 3 more IPs to take over, and a warning is useless, as their only intent on Wikipedia is to repost this pic, not make constructive edits.

I know this is a lot to ask of you, but is there anything you can do about this if they choose to "officially" decline it? Same goes with Camden, New Jersey, which had it protection lifted last night, so I suspect once "The Network" gets wind of this, they'll attack that again, too. Is there anyway to lock where that picture goes (keep it only on pages pertaining to the San Fran Earthquake), thereby preventing them from putting it elsewhere and indirectly solving the problem? Anything you can do to help (without getting yourself in trouble, of course) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! EaglesFanInTampa 16:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, it looks like Cooper River got protected, but there's not a lot we can do. A look at some of the IP addresses used in the attacks shows specific hotels in Fresno and Stockton; Peoria, Arizona; a DSL IP in Stockton; and someone from the United Kingdom. Unfortunately, the only thing we can do is semi-protect articles when they get attacked, which may not be terribly efficient. We would have to change a core policy to require users to log in to edit, which would cut down on a lot of vandalism, and some valuable edits too. Of course, contacting the fraternity's headquarters might elicit a response, but it might not. Horologium (talk) 21:35, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Since we know these three articles are the target for their attacks, while I know it may hinder some legit IPs, should we have an indefinite semi- on those until things calm down. I'm not suggesting forever, but, for the time being, if someone wants to edit these pages, they should just create an account. It'll stop wasting everyone's time playing cleanup from these idiots. I know it's kinda harsh, but sometimes, you gotta take strong tactics to combat crime. If only Camden followed that in real life, "The Network" wouldn't feel the need to attack that page. Oh, cruel irony... EaglesFanInTampa 14:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm tired of fighting with those people over at WP:RFP. Camden was attacked yet again, yet they say the usual "not enough recent activity" so it remains open. They blocked the fraternity page, but only for one week, and obviously one week isn't enough if they're back on Camden again. Is there anything you can do? Talking to those people is like talking to a brick wall. They refuse to acknowledge anything is wrong unless it fits their needs, while editors, like myself, are left playing janitors. I don't have time for their games. Could you please help? What would help is a minimum month-long semi-protect on Camden, New Jersey, Cooper River (New Jersey), Delaware River (to stay protected at the same as the others), and the page where they constantly post their "mission statement", Tau Kappa Epsilon. Anything you can do at all to help would help us immensely. EaglesFanInTampa 15:54, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and semi-protected Cooper River for three months, but the other three are already protected (I was the protecting admin on Delaware River, which expires on 11 December; the other two were protected by User:Tanthalas39, with expiries on 1 December). I don't want to step on another admin's toes, so ask Tan if he would consider extending the protection on Camden and TKE. (Feel free to direct him to this discussion if he has any questions.) I think that long-term protection may be needed for several of these articles, but my concern is that they will simply move on to other targets as we apply long-term protection to articles they have targeted. I understand your frustration, but some admins are more likely to protect than others, and it's sometimes a bit of a crapshoot... Horologium (talk) 19:36, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't ask anyone to go over someone's head; that's not my style. As you can tell, I'm just going bonkers trying to get these frat boys to leave (so bonkers, I guess, that I forgot you already protected Delaware River; that's how you got involved in this freak show, after all...hehehe). I'm sending Tan a message right now asking for his reconsideration on the length of time for both. I agree with your 3-month block; that'll be enough time that they'll get bored and move on to something else, something I hope I don't have to be a part of again. Thanks for being my advocate on this, man. I really appreciate everything you've done thus far! EaglesFanInTampa 20:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

"Horologium is involved? Damn, man, that's all you had to say!". Seriously, instead of me investigating this further, how about I just give Horologium "permission" to re-protect as he sees fit. Cool? Tan | 39 20:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Awww, that gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. (grin) I went ahead and semi-protected all four articles for three months, and for the two that Tan had originally protected, I noted that he had discussed it here on my talk page. Horologium (talk) 22:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Good deal! I didn't know you were this popular around here. Looks like I made friends with someone well connected.... (laughing) But alas, I have to spoil the fun and come to you with bad news. I knew this was going to happen, but someone is mirroring my page: User:EaglesFunInTampa is trying to impersonate me. How do I get that person booted, closed, executed, or whatever? I knew I'd be a target, and I'm cool with it. Trust me, this isn't the end of the world, but I still don't have to like it. Any ideas? EaglesFanInTampa 23:43, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

BTW, just noticed they hit Benjamin Franklin Bridge, as well. Since they went this way, they may hit Walt Whitman Bridge, as well, but they haven't yet, so is it possible to semi- the BFB also? What sucks is anon's have been a little more constructive there, so I don't know what to do on that one, but if nothing's done, it'll just go around and around until the 3-month blocks drop. What a conundrum.... EaglesFanInTampa 23:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

(Outdent) User:EaglesFunInTampa has been hardblocked. He won't be back. We can't do pre-emptive blocks, and WP:BEANS should serve to discourage us from suggesting further targets. I'll take a look at BFB and protect if necessary, but it might be a good idea to address this at either WP:AN or WP:ANI, so that more admins are aware of what's going on. Provide a lot of diffs, so that those reading are aware of the extent of the issue. Horologium (talk) 00:15, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Will do, and good point; didn't even think that they'd look here. Sometimes I get ahead of myself; that's my one character flaw. Thanks for all your help and I'll go to WP:AN like you suggested. I don't need to burden you with this any longer. Have a great Thanksgiving! EaglesFanInTampa 13:17, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

WP Florida

Oops. I'll have a look. thanks. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:10, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

West Palm Beach

I added the 120,021 because it was on their main page under the 2007 estimate. Later in the page it says 107,000+ as the census estimates. Also, as far as the image of cities, I think West Palm Beach is better served for the Gallery, the Pompano Beach is of one building from the highway and does no justice to the page. As for the numbers though I looked at the link and they show it under 100,000. So the WPB is off. Dgreco (talk) 19:23, 27 November 2008 (UTC)