User talk:HighInBC/Archive 35

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HBC NameWatcherBot Seems to be Logged Out

HBC NameWatcherBot appears to be operating fine, but signing as an IP. Probably logged out.--Unionhawk ^Talk ^E-mail ^Review 22:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear, I will need to add a nagios alert for that. Chillum 23:19, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On second though I have blocked the IP from anonymous editing for 1 year. It is a static IP and I have every intention of keeping the server and thus the IP for at least a year. That will prevent it from editing while logged out. Chillum 23:26, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

tweaking the nipples

Somebody appears to be deliberately creating numerous accounts with user names with "nipple" in them as some sort of test to see if they will be blocked. There has been some extensive discussion on the subject at ANI recently, and whoever is doing this is likely responding to that. None of these accounts are editing at all. I was wondering if we could get the name watching bot to delay reporting "nipple" user names until they have edited at least once. Thanks Beeblebrox (talk) 23:04, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I will add that flag. Chillum 00:07, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

done. Chillum 00:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Beeblebrox (talk) 00:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you really think this is appropriate?

[1] --Malleus Fatuorum 06:11, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it was full disclosure. Chillum 16:04, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I sure don't. I prefer to deal with people who are either on peyote or puffing on a hash pipe. If I don't see some evidence of a hookah on this page in the near future expect an ~~MfD~~ ~~no, a thread at ANI~~ ~~no a RFAR~~ a nasty note on Jimbo's talk page on the subject. Beeblebrox (talk) 14:30, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, I was hoping my username(a type of smoking device) would make it clear to everyone that I regularly smoke herb. Chillum 16:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strange how some are so upset by the sight of a shaved pubis, but quite relaxed about the public and implicit encouragement of class A drug taking. --Malleus Fatuorum 15:30, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who knows what these innocent cubes of sugar may contain

Sorry, I am a bit confused, what exactly do you find offensive about me dropping acid? Also, how is me doing something equal to encouraging others? Also, didn't I defend your shaved pubis?

Seriously though, the whole world does not have the same hysterical paranoia about drugs that the US and UK share. Malleus you are as always welcome to draw scrutiny towards any on-wiki behavior of mine. If you think I have in anyway disrupted the encyclopedic project then please do something about it.

I really do appreciate you watching my talk to and looking for any opportunity to correct me. In the future it would be nice if you only enforced the standard the Wikipedia community has set forth and not attempt to enforce your local drug laws/beliefs. (Oh, and all the drugs I do are class A, I have no time for the b grade crap) Chillum 16:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question

What editing do you do when on drugs? What is the closest proximity of you taking a drug to you making an admin related decision? Do you ever use your secondary account while on drugs? Ottava Rima (talk) 16:30, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What a ridiculous question. RxS (talk) 16:33, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is an admittance of taking Class A substances while editing Wikipedia. The above questions are not ridiculous, but your statement is incivil. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm aware of that diff, still a laughably ridiculous question. RxS (talk) 16:40, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RxS, this is your warning for disruptive editing. If you want to continue, please be advise that you are walking off a short pier. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In all due honesty, i personally deem it an odd question. Text easily conceals lies - so regardless on the response you cannot really base any form of action onto a textual reaction. If you can demonstrate bad admin conduct due to drug usage we are talking about something, but even then it would just be "abuse of administrative privileges" - the causes really don't matter. Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 16:51, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There have been no accusations about his administrative actions. Only questions. However, it is odd how defensive your post and RxS's posts are. What are you afraid of in his response? Ottava Rima (talk) 16:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not afraid of anything, I'm just trying to prevent you from harassing another editor. You're the one acting inappropriately here. This question is ridiculous. Please stop. RxS (talk) 17:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RxS, do I have to report you to ANI or will you refrain from making such inappropriate attacks and disruptive posts? Ottava Rima (talk) 17:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe they are inappropriate or disruptive. So do what you have to do. I won't be around til later to respond but go ahead. RxS (talk) 17:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Go ahead and dime me out too, that's a ridiculous question. Sswonk (talk) 17:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If it was a ridiculous question, then you would ignore it. However, your hostile response shows that it is a question that has an answer that you know would damage Chillum and possibly result in his desysopping. As such, your response has done more to harm Chillum than any responses he could make. He could simply have denied any inappropriateness, but you sealed the idea that even his defenders believe he has acted irresponsibly. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More conditionals: if someone pointed a water pistol at another and said "Give me the Hope Diamond or I'll shoot!" and the other laughed and said "You're out of your tree", by responding and not ignoring the demand the second person nevertheless did not surrender a belief in the silliness of the action. See Excirial for details. Sswonk (talk) 17:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ottava please stop threatening to make reports about people on my talk page, use their talk page if you must make such baseless comments. If you are going to be filing reports you can include me in thinking the question is ridiculous. If you have any issues with any action I have taken then please feel free to come here and talk, but the drugs I do are not really at issue. I also like to have a beer after work(also a drug). Chillum 17:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And I am drinking tea as I browse, a stimulant. What of it? --John (talk) 17:49, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chillum, saying that I should come here to talk and then accusing me of making a pointless question are contradictory. One or the other. The drugs you do are at issue, because admin are supposed to be objective. I would like to know if you use drugs while making admin actions. A simple yes or no will suffice. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will choose which drug use I reveal and which I do not(though the first line of my user page should be a fairly strong hint). I don't owe you any sort of response to personal questions. You can go file a report against me, or go get me desysoped, or whatever, but I am not going indulge your nosy questions and backwards attitudes about drugs. Your first sentence seems to lead me to believe you don't understand the distinction between the actions I do and the drugs I do. I welcome discussion regarding my actions, I only have conversations about my drug usage with people I trust. Chillum 17:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and if admins got desysoped for doing drugs, we would not have very many admins. The community has never been anti-drug, my drug use was well know when I started editing in 2006, and when I became an admin, and all through my career. So you should know that any report you make will likely result in another page of people telling you that you are acting ridiculous. Chillum 18:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you refuse to admit it, then I guess the only recourse is an RfC on admin use. If we have no ability to know when and how your drug use can affect your judgment as an admin, then you can no longer be trusted to have the ops. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Have fun with that. I have never had an RFC brought against me before, I look forward to the feedback of the community. Chillum 18:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am also open for recall. Chillum 18:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was a simple matter of being open about your drug use so we don't have to worry about your judgment. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

None of your business. Now please either file your report or let it go, this is becoming disruptive to me. Chillum 19:33, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is anything wrong with an opinion, is there? RxS deems it a stupid question, so be it. Personally i deem taking drugs stupid, is that a personal attack as well? Furthermore I find threatening people with ANI reports a lot closer to a personal attacks, as it does not assume good faith. Apart from this the argument i made earlier was that if he denies it, you cannot present any evidence of him doing anything wrong. You would argue that we should block or de-sysop preemptively because he may go high wire on drugs? What if i argue that the absolute majority of vandalism comes from IP's, would we also block them all "Just because"? I don't mind in what state people edit, i care about the outcome. If someone vandalizes i don't care if they say they took drugs or if their granny died, its vandalism.

As for being a defender, i don't belief i ever spoke with Chillum before this. I might of course be wrong but i have a rather extensive archive which you are free to browse to prove me wrong. Since you started a topic on User_Talk:Jimbo regarding this i find it little more then natural that people would come here to express their opinion. To conclude: If you can provide any diff of Chillum being out of line, please do so; Ill be more then happy to re-asses the situation then, but even so it would be "admin misconduct" regardless of the reason why. Of course, you are free to take this to WP:RFC if you wish, but i doubt the reactions would vary a great deal. Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 18:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is things like this that make my extensive archives grow so fast. I have had similar page fillers on the topic of my method of indentation, and my use of legitimate alternate accounts. Chillum 18:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the issue here is trust and responsibility, the comment about the acid was unnecessary and reflects badly on the judgement of a person acting in a position of responsibility here at Wikipedia, and as we can see with the RFA of Chzz, the community does not like undeclared accounts, perhaps you would benefit from community feedback from a Admin appraisal or whatever it is called. Off2riorob (talk) 18:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks for your opinion. Chillum 18:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For What it's Worth

I think Wikipedia would be a much better operation if more of our Admins took recreational drugs. But seriously, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Just wanted you to know that not all of us out here see you being Learied from time to time as an issue of ZOMGWTFONOESTHECHILDRENTHINKOFTHECHILDRENS!!!!!1! proprotions.

Now pass me the bong. ;)

Crafty (talk) 19:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. To be frank I think this has more to do with sour grapes. I recently declined an unblock and I think that person is just trying to give me a kick when he sees the chance. Chillum 19:39, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I note that AGF only applies to everyone else, not to you. What a surprise. --Malleus Fatuorum 19:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I assume good faith when it is reasonable to do so. You are also another person who is seeking to snipe at me for ever little thing every since you were admonished by me for failing to be even reasonably civil. The difference is the warnings I gave you were directly based in policy whereas this has nothing to do with policy. Chillum 19:47, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chillum, seeing as how I yelled at Malleus for making incivil attacks on you after you responded to my block, and I have gone to great lengths to stop Malleus from attacking your, your bad faith accusations against me are incredibly inappropriate and very incivil. I expect that you will strike them immediately. Ottava Rima (talk) 19:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, prove me wrong. So far my archives are only proving my theory right. Chillum 19:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What theory, Chillum? You have been questioned for a very long time about your judgment. You have admitted to taking mind imparing drugs. You have admitted to having a secret secondary account. Many of your bad blocks are against people who have spent thousands of hours actually building this encyclopedia. If you don't understand how horrible that looks, then, well, cling to some false understanding of your archives. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stop puffing smoke at me, either file a report or let it go. You are being disruptive. If you have issues with anything I have done then do something about it but stop harping at me. You have not even pointed out what bad decisions I have made(other than declining your unblock request which you asked me to strike my reference to). Chillum 20:35, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Asking you a question is not disruptive, but making false accusations is. You have already made personal attacks and poor claims of bad faith. Such actions when you are being questioned over impropriety is evidence of wrong doing, not showing that you can be trusted. I put forth a simple question above and you have yet to answer it. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a question he should have to answer, nor should he be bullied into it. RxS (talk) 21:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, seriously? You ask me to strike out a comment where I state that you are sniping at me at every chance, and I do, and here you are sniping at me again. Either go make this report you keep threatening to make or drop the stick an walk away from the dead horse. Please stop pushing this issue on my talk page I want a more public venue if you are to continue. Asking a question is not disruptive, asking over and over again when you have been asked to stop is disruptive, stop posting here. Chillum 21:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ottava, either take these issue(s) to an official forum or desist. But whatever you do, stop harrassing Chillum here on his talkpage. If you have reason to believe he's doing naughty things then you know what to do. If you think he's some sorta drug-maven and that constitutes a major issue then take your cudgels to the appropriate venue. Crafty (talk) 21:33, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Peace

Aemanops8135 has given you a dove! Doves promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day happier. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a dove, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past (this fits perfectly) or a good friend. Cheers!

Spread the peace of doves by adding {{subst:Peace dove}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message!

Come on people, this discussion will go nowhere positive if we keep jabbing at each other. Of course, we can keep quoting rules at each other and edits demonstrating that the other person is at fault or rude, but why should we? It will not help Wikipedia, and heated discussions are bad for man's stomach. At this rate the only thing we will achieve is a lot of bad blood between several editors. Keep it WP:Cool and just feel the Wikilove, rather then spewing Wikihate. :) Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 19:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cool dove man. It's wings are like huuuuuuuuuuge. Crafty (talk) 20:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Beeblebrox (talk) 21:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC) has given you a golden bong. Bongs help promote wiki- jah love and irie energy. If another wikipedian has helped you get to a higher level, take two puffs and pass it to the left![reply]

Why thank you. I am a fan of well crafted glass. Chillum 22:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice piece.. Puff puff pass mayn.. - 4twenty42o (talk) 21:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gardening is relaxing

Perhaps you care to spend some time in your garden while taking a break. If so, I left you some seeds. May your plants thrive. Drmies (talk) 05:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OMFG! Who told you about my garden? Nobody is supposed to know about that! Chillum 15:46, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know you're on sick leave, but decency requires . . .

That I let you know Ottava's Campaign has moved from Jimmy's page to the glittering halls of the ANI. On the upside it's his conduct that is, once again, under the gaze. Crafty (talk) 06:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I will leave it to the community's capable hands to deal with. If any concern over my behavior comes up then I can be contacted here. Chillum 15:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So, several of the things I jokingly threatened in my first post on this topic [2] have actually come to pass. I find myself unable to decide if that is funny or sad. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is trag ilarious. Chillum 21:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your alternative account

Would you like to add this category to your User Page? [[Category:Wikipedians with alternate accounts]] Off2riorob (talk) 18:17, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No thank you. Chillum 18:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Acid Test

"Hey dude, wazz up?" (peaked at the ANI thing & had a good chuckle). GoodDay (talk) 23:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just chilling out. I have been put under a lot of stress here lately so I am relaxing in the traditional manner, which is really helping a lot. Chillum 00:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Always remember to remain cool. GoodDay (talk) 00:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The way things look now, it seems the "inquisitors" have had the tables turned on them by their own over eager evangelizing/drama mongering. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody expects the spanish inquisition! I have been forced into the comfy chair for my heresy. Chillum 02:40, 3 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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