User talk:Happyweekdays/sandbox

Hi, This did a great job responding to feedback. Keep up the good work! Dr. Haenn

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Hi Train2104 - I saw that you moved this article back to the student's sandbox. Can you take a look and give us some feedback on what we need to change with this article? I didn't think that it felt too much like an essay, but I'm definitely open to feedback. The basic gist of the article is to go over the history of Chinese citizens who are attending college in the United States and identify several issues and challenges that they face in the US. I've worked with the student and from what I can tell this is all in the source material, however if there's anything that makes it seem like an essay that I may have overlooked, I definitely want to fix this! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:09, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The lede and history section seem fine (if a little stilted with "the research shows..." several times). The "Government Policy" and "Challenges and Coping Strategies" sections seem to me a bit like giving advice to students. As written, they are generic and could apply to any international student, even though they may cite sources referring specifically to Chinese students. I'd suggest merging the individual sections into various articles, such as International student, Higher education in China, and Education in China. – Train2104 (t • c) 23:29, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Train2104, we're going to work on fixing this and moving it back to the mainspace. I would appreciate it if you could help watch over the edits and give suggestions, if possible. I do think that this topic should be mentioned in all of these articles, however I do see where it would be beneficial to have a page for all of this to be in one place. I'm going to try to bring in some people to help give advice/recommendations and maybe also do some cleanup as well. I do want to try to ping DGG on this since he also gives good feedback. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:28, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it reading like a page of advice--that would be much more specific than this. It looks that way because of the use of "you"-- it needs to be written in the third person "Students are .." etc.

What needs to be done is not specific to Wikipedia, but more a matte of emphasis and basic organization. The section of historical context should probably be broken up in to a section of Historical Context , and a section on the current situation. The current situation part should use material from the last few years, not from 2008, and if years are compared, they should not be 2011-2012. I would suppose the situation in 2017 is not quite the same as in 2008. You may not want to go into those details, but anything describing the current situation must come from the last few years. And write specifically -- not "an array of government policies..." but "US government policies including .... " "There should probably be a section describing the sorts of background that the current students have. the section on visas needs to be more than a list--who uses what--how many in each group. and so on. there should certainly be information about where they go and what they study--and certainly about how they are financed.

The "Challenges" section is also a little vague. You don;t want to go into individual experiences, or case studies, but youwantto say something more specific than "Chinese students suffering from culture shock have no choice but to seek out appropriate solutions to adjust themselves to the new environment. ...". And you definitely do not want to use data from 2002.

Part of the problem is sources. The current sources are mainly academic articles. Though these make goos sources in general, they are by the very nature of academic research and writing several years out of date. The best source for current information about higher education is in the Chronicle of Higher Education -- I've seen 2 or 3 relevant there in the last year or so. There should also be some in general US periodicals--and certainly in Chinese periodicals.

I hope this helps. DGG ( talk ) 01:26, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]