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Sam Spade 22:03, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks HKT 22:08, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Shalom Aleichem

Hello HKT: Welcome to Wikipedia. Hope you enjoy it. Feel free to call on me at any time as I am also very active in all aspects of Category:Jews and Judaism and Category:Israel and Zionism. Please consider joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism. Best wishes, IZAK 22:49, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. HKT 22:26, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Admin anniversary

How thoughtful of you to notice my admin anniversary! I hadn't even noticed it myself! If you ever need admin-related things (e.g. page protection, page moves etc.) do not hesitate to call on me. JFW | T@lk 08:09, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Sephirah (Kabbalah)

Hello HKT: Looking at the Sephirah (Kabbalah) article, the following articles are waiting to be written:

• Binah ("Understanding"; בינה)
• Chesed ("Mercy"; חסד)
• Gevurah ("Severity"; גבורה)
• Tiphereth ("Glory"; תיפארת)
• Netzach ("Victory"; נצח)
• Yesod ("Foundation"; יסוד)
• Malkhut ("Kingdom"; מלכות)

These have brief articles, but could use improvement:

• Keter ("Crown"; כתר)
• Chochmah ("Wisdom"; חכמה)
• Hod ("Majesty"; הוד)
• Da'at ("Knowledge"; דעת)

Best wishes, IZAK 10:06, 11 May 2005 (UTC) P.S. Thanks again for pointing out the vandalism on my user page, I had no idea it was there. Zai Gezunt! IZAK 10:06, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

I only checked out Keter so far. It's a mess.HKT 21:09, 11 May 2005 (UTC) I just looked at Chochmah. These Sephirah (Kabbalah) articles are getting on my nerves.HKT 21:49, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

• I don't blame you, but that is perhaps a good reason why they deserve to be sorted out somewhat and not appear to be like "skattershot ramblings of goons". IZAK 07:23, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Abif

Please review the "Biblical" article Abif. Thanks. IZAK 05:29, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Abif VfD

Hi HKT, thanks for your research on this article, see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Abif. Thank you. IZAK 06:13, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Email?

Hi HKT: Do you have an Email address? Please contact me via my Wikipedia User page and click on "E-mail thus user". Thank you and Shabbat Shalom! IZAK 09:24, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel

Shalom HKT: Please contact User:Humus sapiens who wishes to start a Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel See his request below. Thanks IZAK 07:23, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi IZAK (and everyone else here :), Do you think it's time to create Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel similar to Wikipedia:Wikiportal/India, Wikipedia:Wikiportal/New Zealand and other Category:Wikiportals? I'm writing this here because it was you who made those wonderful templates and we don't have a portal yet where we could communicate. What do you think? ←Humus sapiens←Talk 05:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• Hi Humus, it's only me here, but I will pass your message on to "everyone". Yes, your suggestion is excellent, it is certainly time for what you describe, but I have no experience with Wikipedia portals, and if you know how, go ahead and start an Israel portal and I am sure editors of Israel-related articles will support you and join in the effort/s. Behatzlachah. IZAK 05:33, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Q about Jewish law and history on smoking

Hi. I'm obviously new and hope you don't mind me asking a few simple questions. Saw you editing the J smoking article, thanks.

1) Can you redo the headings so the table comes out right? The main headings should be (1) Historical background and (2) Halakha on cigarette smoking: late 20th Century.

2) Granted, I plan to work more on content that on the computerization aspects, but what are those symbols like: &8220? Well, I realize it's some type of code for my characters, so do I need to learn how to use them?

3) Is this acceptable ettiquette to ask for editing etc help, simply because we worked on the same piece?

4) Also, any suggestions for better headings would be welcome. And perhaps the whole article should have a less cumbersome name, like "Judaism and smoking". As it stands now, I would have to double check the title before I put in a link in another article.

Thanks again, sorry to bother you, HG 02:34, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind reply... incl advice about wiki-distractions. See you around, Kol tuv, HG

Hi again. The symbols are for certain formatting items, like apostrophes. So they are part of the mark-up language, not sure why they are showing up. (In h2g2, it seems to be needed for when you want the reader to see the coding. By the way, h2g2 looks pretty good. But I'm looking for a place to work on original, copyrighted research. Suggestions?) HG 18:24, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen the No Original Research. So that's why I'm looking for another outlet (besides wiki). Kol tuv.

Biblical Patriarch Dynasties

HKT: Can you help tidy up Biblical Patriarch Dynasties please? Thanks. IZAK 19:49, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Category:Hebrew Bible verses

Hello HKT: See the verses in Category:Hebrew Bible verses with the two samples so far: Genesis 1:1, and Genesis 1:2. Is this the way the Torah verses should be "presented"? (Compare with the verses in Category:New Testament verses.) At what point should the classical teachings of famous meforshim be inserted, and in what way and how much? The time to decide on this is now, because at this stage the "project" is still being "formed" by User:Neutrality alone. Thank you. IZAK 02:48, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Your Email

HKT, as you requested I am letting you know here: I have sent you a reply to your Email. Best wishes, IZAK 00:02, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikisource:Religious texts

Hi HKT: So that you can see how far some projects are headed, please take a look at Wikisource:Religious texts#Judaism, see some texts at: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Mishnah and http://wikisource.org/wiki/Shulchan_Aruch and see also Wikibooks:The Open Mishnah Project which includes brief commentaries. I am not involved with those projects, but they are pretty serious undertakings. IZAK 01:38, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Neutrality disputed

Why have you put NPOV label on History of the Jews in Poland without discussing it first? No arguments, no discussion - very POV. --Ttyre 15:54, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Ttyre, I'm afraid you didn't even look at Talk:History of the Jews in Poland. I did post justification for the NPOV tag. Please see the link I put there. HKT 17:05, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I had read your comments at Talk:History of the Jews in Poland before posting my question. Still reading the comment: For contrast, please see Anti-Semitism#Anti-Semitism_in_Poland. So far, it only deals with pre-partitions anti-semitism (read: it only deals with the tip of the iceberg). I still don't know what are the reasons for NPOV label. Can you spell it out in? --Ttyre 18:40, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

OK. I think it's clearer now. HKT 19:25, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Anti-Semitism in Poland

Before adding even more to this section please read discussion as well as newly updated History of the Jews in Poland. --Ttyre 16:49, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

HKT, please accept my apologise. I thought you were one of those Robert Kolker's and other pathological cases found on the net kind, and I reacted quite allergic, going immedietely in offensive and flame mode. I consider my behaviour rude and disgusting. Szopen 09:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No problem at all, and no hard feelings. :) HKT 23:01, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Plese check Talk:Chmielnicki Uprising - 1 million Jewish killed estimate seems rather wrong to me. Could you find any sources - what Jewish Encyclopedia sais (unfortunately, I have trouble opening the site). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 09:43, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Israel or Palestine for the region?

Hi HKT, please see the heated discussion at Talk:History of ancient Israel and Judah#Israel or Palestine for the region? over revisionist attempts to eradicate mention of (ancient!) "Israel" and "Judah" entirely in favor of "Palestine". Please add your views. Thank you. IZAK 11:44, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Elisha ben Abuyah

Please see my comment (basically a question to you) at Talk:Elisha ben Abuyah#Sources?. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:41, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Categ for deletion

Hi HKT: Please see: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 June 17#Category:Jewish Philosophers. Thank you and have a good Shabbes. IZAK 07:00, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Phobia (attitude)

I agree; seems like original research to me. Jayjg ^(talk) 23:37, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Awesome RfA

Fer sure dude! -Willmcw 10:06, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Moving the edit?

I'm assuming good faith; I removed the indent he inserted to make it clear I was responding to SlimVirgin, not him. Anyway, I think the bigger problem on the page for now will be reverting the anonymous proxies. Jayjg ^(talk) 17:30, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ok, agreed. HKT 17:31, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Controversial Israel/Palestine template proposed

Shavua Tov HKT: I am forwarding the communication below to you for your attention. Thank you. IZAK 05:02, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi IZAK - I would welcome your input on something that I have proposed at WP:WSS/C (the stub sorting wikiproject). I am largely responsible for the split of geography stubs into separate categories. At the moment, Category:Middle East geography stubs is getting fairly large, and the most obvious split of it is to make a separate category for Israel. BUT - and here is where the problem lies - understandably, several of the stubs could be just as easily stubbed with a template for Palestine, especially if they are to remain NPOV, and especially given the volatile claims to different parts of that troubled region.

I am proposing a category called Category:Israel-Palestine geography stubs, with two separate stub templates {{israel-geo-stub}} and {{palestine-geo-stub}} both leading to it. The resulting stub category would be a subcategory of both Category:Israel and Category:Palestine. It is, quite honestly, the only way I can think of to get around this delicate problem.

If you can think of any better way of working this, I would welcome any suggestions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria#Israel-Palestine. Thanks - Grutness...wha? 10:31, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Hi Grutness, thank you for requesting my input. I will respond soon and will circulate your request to others for further input. IZAK 21:32, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • The more voices the better - if you know anyone willing to comment from the Palestinian viewpoint as well, it would be appreciated. Grutness...wha? 23:29, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/WikiProject Addressing Anti-Jewish Bias

Excellent points. While I had been quite dubious of the project myself (as my comments showed), I think the nomination itself, and the actions and comments of the nominator were disturbing. As well, though I don't have much interest in working on the project, it appears to me that this VfD violates Wikipedia rules. I'm still not sure whether to vote, though; did you? Jayjg ^(talk) 05:46, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, except if you wanted to re-create it, at which point it would be extremely difficult. Jayjg ^(talk) 06:05, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ahmadinejad

About the Ahmadinejad article, the reason that info is irrelevant there is because it does not really add to anything about that canditate. The criteria for how someone is elected should be added to an article that outlines how the elections are performed within that country, not on the canditates or president-elect's page. That's like me giving a complete detail about how elections are conducted in the USA on Al Gore's page! I think you understand. Thanks. --Anonymous editor June 28, 2005 05:48 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the message. Normally I'd agree with you, but, vis-a-vis Iranian elections, people are typically unaware of procedure that's radically different than what they are used to in English-speaking countries. People are likely to assume that his election was typically democratic. I see your point, and I think that mention of this election detail should be placed less prominently in the article (in the Biography section perhaps?). HKT 28 June 2005 05:58 (UTC)

See we can't really assume who is reading the article, as wikipedia is an international encyclopedia so it is up to one's own desire whether they want to learn more about how candidates are chosen. Every country has a different method (some more than others), but I mantain that should not be mentioned on a person's page, but rather on one about the electional criteria or the "elections in country X". Whether a country has performed democratically or not is personal opinion and should be avoided. Thanks.--Anonymous editor June 28, 2005 06:00 (UTC)

(1.) English wikipedia is primarily in existence for people from English-speaking countries. I think that providing information about something that most people probably wouldn't have any prompt to look up is worthwhile. (2.) Does such an article about Iranian election protocol already exists? Is such protocol mentioned anywhere on English Wikipedia? (3.) I used "typically democratic" loosely to refer to election-types that most English-speakers are accustomed to, and they are not used to such restrictions. (Strictly speaking, though, Democracy has a definition and is not a matter of opinion). Thank you. HKT 28 June 2005 06:21 (UTC)

HTK, strictly speaking though, regardless of various "democracy definitions" and who or who doesn't view the encyclopedia, this does not need to be mentioned on a candidate/president-elect's page. Surely you agree that the appropriate mention (if any) would be on an article about elections in that country? Thanks. --Anonymous editor June 28, 2005 06:24 (UTC)

It certainly should be mentioned somewhere. I continue to think that it should also be mentioned, hinted to, or at least linked to in this article. If readers would have no indication that such information exists, than I would consider the article incomplete and lacking context. P.S. I'm still wondering if the info exists anywhere on English Wikipedia. Do you know if it does? HKT 28 June 2005 06:32 (UTC)

No I don't know if it does exist but I am sure it probably does. I don't believe that this article needs to hint nor mention that as in many cases that would be considered POV and inappropriate for the article content. Thanks for your message. --Anonymous editor June 28, 2005 06:37 (UTC)

Do not move it to page yet as it is not a large issue. I agree that there should be a link, but I do not agree that hinting the opinion that the elections are "undemocratic" is acceptable to the article. Thanks. --Anonymous editor June 28, 2005 06:45 (UTC)

Sorry, I got your message right after I moved the discussion. (It doesn't have to be a big issue to be on the talk page, though). Anyway, the statement doesn't say anything about democracy, and perhaps we can get consensus on the wording of the statement, too. Regarding a link, if you can get one quick (one that's not so inconspicuous as to go unnoticed) you might stop this disagreement quickly. At this point, though, I think consensus is what we need. HKT 28 June 2005 06:56 (UTC)

Its okay. I edited out some of the talk page "like" phrases in the discussion though. Thanks. --Anonymous editor June 28, 2005 06:58 (UTC)

Some things to see

Hi HKT:

1. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/2005 June 28#Sacha Pecaric. The article Sacha Pecaric has been nominated for removal to Jewish Polish current events.
2. See Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Susvolans

Be well. IZAK 28 June 2005 10:21 (UTC)

Our "friendly" anon

Well, now he's reverting your edits as well. Jayjg ^(talk) 5 July 2005 17:52 (UTC)

History of Poland (1945-1989)

In History of Poland (1945-1989) you've recently written that the Communist regime itself ordered that the properties of returning Jewish Holocaust surviviors not be returned to them. I'd be interested to learn whose order or what law specifically you've had in mind. --Lysy (talk) 6 July 2005 05:02 (UTC)

See Jewish Polish history during the 1900s#Post-war. Thanks for the inquiry, HKT 6 July 2005 05:17 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer, but information there is even less specific then what you've written. It mentions 1945-1948 emmigration as the result of the above mentioned order but the property was not even nationalised by then so how could it be not returned. I'm concerned that this statement may be not based on facts as long as there has not been a decree or otherwise law issued not prohibiting the return of Jewish property specifically in these years ? --Lysy (talk) 6 July 2005 05:49 (UTC)

I see - in that case the situation is alas well too known to me (as my family lost all the property this way as well). The notion of "ownership" just lost its previous meaning under communists, especially after the war. However this concerned all the people in Poland, not the Jews only and then hardly can be described as anti-semitism. What do you think ? --Lysy (talk) 6 July 2005 07:08 (UTC)

Are you saying that, under the communists, land was allowed to be kept by whomever seized it? For example, if one Russian (Vassily, let's say) would simply begin to inhabit a second Russian's (Yuri) home while Yuri was on vacation, Vassily could keep the house? HKT 6 July 2005 14:35 (UTC)

Yes, this is exactly what happend in Poland after the war. Most people lost their property in post-war communist Poland regardless of their ethnic origins and I believe the same was true for other countries that fell into Soviet bloc. With massive population moves during and following the war people were not able to return to their own houses othen simply because someone other moved in ("owned it") in the meantime. More lucrative property would be "nationalised" or shared between more prominent communists. Those seeking justice would usually be labeled as enemies of communism and imprisoned and killed or sent to Siberia if they were lucky. --Lysy (talk) 6 July 2005 15:16 (UTC)

I can relate to this to some degree: My family narrowly escaped from Ukraine ~1920. I wasn't aware, however, that properties would change hands like that so typically in post-war Poland. Anyway, feel free to change that part of my edit (and I'd like to see a source for this, too). Thanks for the pointer, HKT 6 July 2005 15:37 (UTC)

Christian opposition to anti-Semitism

Care to copy edit Christian opposition to anti-Semitism? IZAK 6 July 2005 10:36 (UTC)

Thanks HKT for the comment

How can I put something on my User Page? (Does the "blue" signify anything?) And how do I "sign your name on Talk and vote pages"? When should I use this feature? Thanks again! (I assume you noticed my edits on Limbaugh--I do like your Judaism edits) --josephf

Mikkalai

I have started a RFC on Mikkalai's behavior. [1] Floopy 7 July 2005 01:02 (UTC)

Talk:History of Poland (1945-1989)#Position of Jews in Poland around 1946

I have yet to join in the debate in Talk, especially as I think you are doing a good job with the evidence. Jewish association with the communists did contribute to anti-Jewish feeling, but you are right in that it was not the primary reason (and it is often used by apologists as justification). I tried to tweak the language a bit and add in details. Let me know if we are heading in the right direction. --Goodoldpolonius2 8 July 2005 03:24 (UTC)

Problem

If you have a problem with me - use my talkpage. Thx--Witkacy 9 July 2005 00:11 (UTC)

Do try to resolve this on talk/discussion pages. I see neither Witkacy nor his opponents used the talk page in any of those pages. After the brief review of his edits I'd support one of Censorship (although with some NPOVing/expantion) and rv the one of IPConflict. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 9 July 2005 17:28 (UTC)

Blocked user

He's already been blocked for 3RR. Jayjg ^(talk) 07:56, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Sleep? Well, no guarantees it wasn't a proxy. Jayjg ^(talk) 08:01, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

It was a proxy. Jayjg ^(talk) 08:04, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi HKT. Ah, I see Jay has already dealt with this; good. I'm on the US west coast and had already logged off for the evening when you left your message. Let me know if I can help again though in any similar situation. Take care and happy editing, Antandrus (talk) 14:35, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Witkacy's latest article

Did you notice the Deutscher Ostmarkenverein article recently created by Witkacy? See also HKT and his addition to it. Jayjg ^(talk) 09:25, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, clearly not a notable usage. It get's almost no Google hits, and even those are for "HKT society". Jayjg ^(talk) 17:10, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure is you speak Polish, let me translate the early June discussion from Wikipedia:Polish Wikipedians' notice board that may have bothered you:

Witam:) Aczkolwiek ja ostatnio mam bardzo malo czasu na wiki. Na dodatek niepotrzebnie sie znowu wdalem w dyskusje z HKT :) Szopen 07:48, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello :) I don't have much time for wiki lately. And I've got involved into an unnecessary dispute with HKT :)

Ten HKT chyba nie dazy Polske wielka sympatia...--Witkacy 07:13, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

HKT does not seem to greatly sympathise with Poland...

Zapewne to nadinterpretacja, ale HKT kojarzy mi się z panami Hansemannem, Kennemannem i Tiedemannem :) Radomil 07:56, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure this is misintepretation, but HKT coincides with misters Hansemann, Kennemann and Tiedemann :)

Rzeczywiscie pasuje ;)--Witkacy 10:43, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Fits indeed ;)

That's all, I don't think it's anything offensive but the unintended coincidence of your nick is apparent to Poles, I'm afraid. I also don't support writing in non-English languages on English wiki (outside user space), as you could see from my other comments. --Lysy (talk) 19:23, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the translation, but I already understood it. The language wasn't offensive, but the comparison was. And now, there seems to have been an attempt to insert this comparison into wiki articles, which have been fixed. None of this bothers me personally, but I recognize a jibe when I see it. Anyway, I appreciate your involvement in trying to cool the waters. Thanks again, HKT 20:24, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

User:61.129.44.201

I'm not admin, nor could I block the guy if I was, given that I've been involved in it, but I've asked on the noticeboard for him to be blocked. I think it's the same nasty antisemite that was working on the page before. I'm sorry you have to suffer that bullshit. Let me know if you have a recurrence and need help to revert it. Grace Note 05:59, 11 July 2005 (UTC)