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Gunzle's self introduction
[edit]Newbie - please don't bite[1]; comments and debate invited.
General: Some of my previous edits have disappeared; Ampersands have been deleted from abbreviations, viz: M&MTB, P&MTT. The correct abbreviation, as used by those authorities during their operational lives routinely included these ampersands.
General: The use of the term "type" in reference to a particular class of tramcar. Again, the relevant authorities used and still use "class" in regard to a particular design of tramcar, and "type" for a general design covering more than one class of tramcar. For example, Melbourne is famous for its W-type trams, the most numerous of which were the W2 class and the W5 class. Similarly, the Adelaide A-type trams include the A class, A1 class, and A2 class trams. This style of nomenclature is consistent with both industry usage and enthusiasts. I invite your discussion/debate upon these matters - with the added intent of adjusting the titles of the various Australian tramcar Wikipedia entries.
General: Regarding bogie types/names: tram bogies (trucks) have always been referred to by the manufacturer's abbreviated name, and the style. For example, Maximum Traction bogies of the design by J. G. Brill Company but made by Brush Electrical Machines are Brush 22E trucks. This is the industry nomenclature standard; the only variance (usually amongst enthusiasts) is to refer to them using the original manufacturer's designation, i.e. Brill 22E trucks - which is not strictly correct.
Trams in Australia: The sections "Australian tramcar manufacturers" and " Overseas manufacturers of Australian trams" are unwieldly and untidy. This is in large part due to the nature of the data - some groups of tramcars are manufactured by more than entity, some manufacturers changed name, were taken-over by others, or out-sourced some manufacture.[2] Another problem is the defining of the correct manufacturer - certain tramcars were manufactured in parts by one and then assembled by another; some manufacturers used the design of others (especially trucks/bogies). This (combined) "manufacturer" section would be better served if it was its own separate Wikipedia entry, and perhaps the same applies to bogie data. Another protocol that needs to be standardised is how the tramcars are actually listed under the "manufacturer" sections: some are merely mentioned by the system they first operated upon, others by their class, and yet others by their particular fleet numbers - which style should be adopted ?
If you wish to know of my credentials, they include many years of research using original records, publishing of books about various Australian tramways, approximately a decade of employment on the main Melbourne tram system, and the respect of my fellow tramway historians.
Gunzle (talk) 12:11, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
asserting veracity of info on wikipedia
[edit]Your credentials are fine - the main thing when you are here - it goes WP:N, WP:V, and WP:RS - thanks JarrahTree 07:59, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
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- ^ An example of the complexity of the data is the Melbourne R class trams: These were built for the F,N&PTT at the Coldblo Road workshops of the P&MTT from timber-work supplied by Jas. Moore with Brill trucks from Sewell, but not completed until after the M&MTB take-over had occurred. Under the current listing, these eight trams would generate no less than six separate entries in the manufacturers sections.