User talk:Grattan33

Feedback reply

Posted here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_feedback/2011_April_11#Levenger_Company. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:18, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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No worries, glad to help. RfF was short volunteers, so I just dove into it and have got in the habit of glancing at it throughout the day. So far as "thanks", just continue to produce well-sourced and properly formatted articles. Consider joining a WikiProject for a subject that interests you (WP:WikiProject Massachusetts?), or check out Wikipedia:Requested articles to see if there are topics not yet covered that you would find interesting to write about (check for source availability first!). Enjoy, MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:27, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Notable alumni/alumnae

I've reverted your edit to Zeta Tau Alpha because there is no article about the individual. That's the standard of notability for inclusion in such a list: does the individual have a stand-alone article on Wikipedia? With no article, she should not be added to the list. —C.Fred (talk) 17:56, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

One other thing, looking at your user name and user page: make sure you review the guidelines for editing when you have a conflict of interest. —C.Fred (talk) 17:57, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

I was just being consistent, because the person in the last entry on that list "Meredith Wolpert - Businesswoman" is actually not mentioned on the page if you click that link to check. (excerpt of message by Grattan33 at User talk:C.Fred)

In the name of consistency, I have removed the other red links from the page. —C.Fred (talk) 19:05, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Medical Advantage company draft

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Medical Advantage company draft, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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July 2022

Hello, I'm VickKiang. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they appeared to be promotional. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "soapbox" are against Wikipedia policy and not permitted; Wikipedia articles should be written objectively, using independent sources, and from a neutral perspective. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. VickKiang (talk) 04:07, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello VickKlang, this page is only an encyclopedic entry for Medical Advantage company, which is a company in Michigan that employs probably about 175 employees. It is a subsidiary of The Doctors Company, which has an entry here on Wikipedia. This is not promotional, it's just a description of the company. Please revert my page for Medical Advantage company. Thanks. 2600:1700:DDA0:F520:48E8:1E92:F35F:C04 (talk) 04:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC) grattan33 2600:1700:DDA0:F520:48E8:1E92:F35F:C04 (talk) 04:37, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, please see my reply in my talk page, IMO the article is not neutral to be an "encyclopedic entry". I don't think it would be undeleted as it was done under G11. Happy editing! VickKiang (talk) 04:39, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello VickKlang, what exactly is promotional about the description? If something is descriptive, it shouldn't automatically be considered promotional. Grattan33 (talk) 04:42, 3 July 2022 (UTC) grattan33 Grattan33 (talk) 04:42, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

There's a difference between "descriptive" and "promotional". Words such as "diverse" when describing the company, and listing functions of the company (such as "helping" and "evaluating") isn't really too helpful for WP. Otherwise, happy editing! VickKiang (talk) 06:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

@VickKiang But that's what the company does. I guess I'll have to really water it down, and make it nice and bland. No need to insult with your "happy editing" comment. Grattan33 (talk) 18:43, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

If so, I apologize, my “happy editing” is a line I write a lot, I didn’t mean to upset you through deleting the draft or the phrases, only that it doesn’t meet NPOV. If possible, could you please have a look at WP policies and declare if you have a conflict of interest if you want to continue writing this draft. Could you also clarify what’s a “bland” article? Many thanks. VickKiang (talk) 21:54, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Medical Advantage Group (July 4)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Mcmatter were: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Medical Advantage Group and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Medical Advantage Group, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 00:49, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Grattan33! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:49, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Hello @Mcmatter ! Thank you for your feedback. I am an active Wikipedia contributor with making changes/fixes as necessary, and I haven't created a brand-new page here in 11 years (that was for Levenger Company). However, I know that 11 years ago, Wikipedia was assertively trying to get companies to create a page here. The company Medical Advantage has about 180 employees, and it is a bona fide company. I have listed and linked several online articles on this page here proving its worth, is there something else I need? Thank you! Grattan33 (talk) 00:58, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

The criteria you need to meet is WP:NCORP which is a higher standard then WP:GNG because Wikipedia is not a business listing site. Just because a company exists does not mean it qualifies for an article. None of the references in the draft are considered independent or reliable, one is a blog (Not reliable-no editorial oversight), two are press releases (Not independent written by the company) and the last doesn't even mention the company. We need to see that others not connected to the subject have written about in reliable sources as per WP:SIRS. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 01:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Medical Advantage Group

Thanks for your improvement on Medical Advantage Group! It still might not meet GNG, but it is far more neutral now. I've converted the refs to the normal format, if you add any more, you may press the convert button on visual editor. Please see my reply before, many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 02:29, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Medical Advantage Group (July 4)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Mcmatter were:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Medical Advantage Group and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Medical Advantage Group, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 02:31, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Medical Advantage Group (July 13)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Cabrils was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Medical Advantage Group and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Cabrils (talk) 00:46, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Cabrils ! I'd appreciate it if you'd review this page again, I've added a number of good relevant sources to the page, showing the nooks and crannies in healthcare where Medical Advantage is involved as a key factor and participant. Let me know if there's anything I need to fix, or any further input you have -- it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Grattan33 (talk) 04:48, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

No worries, will do, but I might need a few days before I can. Cabrils (talk) 04:23, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Yes please take your time, I truly appreciate your input, insights, and feedback! Grattan33 (talk) 15:49, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi Grattan33, I do want to encourage you however unfortunately I can't provide good news. I note the changes that have been made since my review, however the page is still lacking what would be considered significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Most of the sources evidence an average corporation, rather than a notable one. Current sources are a mix of non-notable, not reliable commercial publicity (for example including some with the barest mention of MAG; and press releases), none of which go towards evidencing notability (as defined).

I'm conscious of the effort you're putting into this, and it feels like you're doing a diligent job with the material that exists, however if reliable sources can't be found, then it may simply be the reality that the corporation isn't sufficiently notable to justify entry. Please let me know if you see this differently? I just don't see any "reliable" sources on the draft, let alone multiple ones... Cabrils (talk) 22:08, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Medical Advantage Group (July 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Akevsharma was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Medical Advantage Group and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Akevsharma (talk) 03:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Medical Advantage Company (July 22)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Loksmythe were: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Loksmythe (talk) 11:45, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

Hello, Grattan33. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Draft:Medical Advantage Company, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. – Athaenara ✉ 00:00, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Blocked

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing because your account is being used only for advertising or promotion.

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This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

Hello, I do not have a personal connection with this company, a couple of my doctors have their websites with their company so I looked into the company further, and I thought it worthy of a Wikipedia page. If you don't agree with its viability, I'll simply stop working on creating the page. Please reinstate my editing capabilities, I have been a Wikipedia contributor for 12 years and have also donated financially. Thank you. Grattan33 (talk) 02:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Publicly available information strongly indicates that you are not being forthcoming regarding your connection with the subjects of articles you have created. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 14:48, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

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Grattan33 (talk) 02:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Given what you said below, what would you edit about if we unblocked you? Daniel Case (talk) 06:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

For reasons I cannot state publicly, I have reason to think your connection to the company is much stronger than two of your doctors using its services. Wikipedia has articles, not pages. As an editor, I appreciate you donating, but that has no bearing on this matter. We editors have nothing to do with the donation process. Since you say you are willing to abandon writing about this company, I haven't closed this request, but we need to know what you will edit about instead. 331dot (talk) 08:30, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I concur with 331dot. Independently, I have also determined you have a much closer connection to Medical Advantage than you are stating and are attempting to mislead us. You'll need to clear that up. --Yamla (talk) 10:29, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

As I said, I've been contributing to Wikipedia for years, especially fixing errors. You can see what I've done in my history, fixing errors on existing pages, etc. I don't agree with your assessment of my connection, perhaps there is a coincidence in something you're searching. Thank you. Grattan33 (talk) 13:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I do not believe this is a coincidence. 331dot (talk) 15:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia's tagline states: "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." Grattan33 (talk) 17:18, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what that has to do with your apparent attempt to mislead us. Nothing is preventing you from reading Wikipedia articles and gaining knowledge. That line, however, is not a license to promote and act in bad faith as an editor. It shares knowledge to tell people when Walmart has a sale on televisions or food, but that is not appropriate Wikipedia content. I have nothing else to say. If you aren't prepared to be more forthcoming, there is nothing more to do here. If you are, please make an unblock request that addresses the questions posed here. 331dot (talk) 17:28, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

To mislead "us"? Grattan33 (talk) 19:33, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

"Us" meaning those who are communicating with you, and Wikipedia itself, really. 331dot (talk) 19:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Donations

Please read WP:GAB. That's an argument that carries zero weight. We really do not care if you give money to the Foundation. It certainly is not a reason to permit promotional editing. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I said several things there. Wikipedia should give credence to people who have been credible contributors for many years as I have been. I created another page in 2011 and have made helpful edits on many pages. You do not have to accept the page I've been working on, that's fine. Please reinstate my editing capabilities. Thank you. Grattan33 (talk) 03:22, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Which is why I did not decline the unblock. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 03:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

The page created in 2011, Levenger Company, was also done in violation of WP:COI and WP:PROMO. --Yamla (talk) 14:17, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh nice! So now you're penalizing Levenger. This site just gets better and better all the time. Grattan33 (talk) 19:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)