User talk:GordyB/Archive 1

British and Irish Lions

You write "revert to original sentence about Ireland that somehow got lost among edits - don't think Willie John McBride had a problem being called British".

I think that it is most presumptuous to suggest (as you do) that all Irish Nationalists would be offended by "British Lions" or that all of those who wish to retain Northeren Ireland's links with Great Britain would support such a description. The reason that the amendment to the entry was made to say "people in Ireland" (both sides of the border implied) was, I think, to avoid the sectarian divide implication. So can we please avoid mention of Nationalists and revert to the very good amendment:

Quote Since the 2001 tour of Australia they have become known as the 'British and Irish Lions', out of respect for people in Ireland who object to the team designation as "British". Some have criticised this change as exhibiting unnecessary political correctness, as they felt that the geographic term British Isles carried no political overtones; however, most rugby fans happily simply refer to the team as the 'Lions'. Unquote

Charlie Hodgson article

Hey, Forbsey here. About the Charlie Hodgson artcle. Rather than simply saying that he has been much criticised recently because of poor kicking, try to focus on who he actually is i.e. his achievements. I would do so myself but i know absolutely nothing about him. Cheers

Rugby league pages

Good work going through all the rugby league comp. pages I have created recently, cheers for finding the "missing" county league champions especially. Grinner 10:04, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC).

Re what you wrote on my talk page I have added some footnotes to the county leagues page. My source (Rugby League by Robert Gate) says the county leagues DID operate in 1905-07 but it dosen't list any champions, that's why I was using the highly efficient method of seeing what clubs had on their websites.Grinner 11:28, Oct 5, 2004 (UTC)

Right just checked through the book again. Apparantly, althought teams played all games in their own counties home and away, plus some inter-county matches during 1905-07 (just as they did later on) no county league tables were compiled, and no cups awarded. So I'm gonna remove those years.

Grinner 09:33, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)

Great work with the British RL message! Grinner 09:55, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC)

Rugby league in England

Thanx for the edits with Rugby League in England. I know nothing :) I put that there hoping someone would fix nearly everything I wrote, and you fixed parts :). Bloody terrific mate! Feel free to keep doing it, or if you know much about rugby league in Wales, Scotland or Ireland, feel free to edit these too... First I'll start them though! Cheers!

National Ricoh Championship

Greetings from a southern hemisphere rugby-Wikipedian! :-)

I just saw your new article on the National Ricoh Championship.. and I was wondering where you got your info from? I see there are some mentions of this competition in various rugby FAQs, but I can't find anything on the ARU website (and I haven't heard of it myself?) so I was thinking maybe it was some defunct competition that doesn't happen any more?

Also, just letting you know, I'm going to do some surgery on that article and move a big chunk of it out to a new Australian Rugby Shield article. —Stormie 00:17, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Category:Rugby union competitions

I have put an additional category Category:Heineken Cup in there which can be followed through in to Category:European Rugby Cup. I used ERC as I personally think that generic names should be used rather than brand names, they tend to come and go; Heineken have already announced they will no longer be sponsoring the ERC.

I don't think that Heineken Cup should be in Category:Rugby union competitions as it is in the sub-category; it's easy to get to but that's just a personal preference. I was also thinking of moving this page to European Rugby Cup and makeing it a redirect.

User talk:Bornintheguz, Bornintheguz 18:20, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Scottish Rugby Union

Hi GordyB I have just had confirmation from the SRU that they are the Scottish Rugby Union. For that matter I am 100% sure that the WRU is the Welsh Rugby Union. Cheers Historian

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
Multi-Licensing Guide
Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

SA v Ireland and Wales

No objection to the move. Besides, they're not even my articles, although I may have the last edits on them. Someone else added those sections; I just updated them to reflect 2004 results. :) Dale Arnett 22:24, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Getting blocked

Solutions to getting blocked (I'm sure this is written somewhere in the ether...):

Become an adminstrator and gain the ability to unblock yourself (I've had to do this a few times)
Get an ISP that doesn't share IP addresses.
Don't worry about it, go and get some fresh air, most IPs are only blocked for 24 hours.
Email the Wikipedia mailing list and someone might help.

Sorry, but you can't do much more than that. It's a shame childish vandals have to spoil it for the rest of us.Dunc|☺ 14:12, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I apologise for blocking you, I had no idea that I was blocking you until I saw your e-mail (which I only checked yesterday for the first time in ages). It appears that you share an IP adress with a persistant vandal. I'm not sure what to do about it, but perhaps you should try using a different computer if that's possible. Or maybe raise it at the village pump and see if anyone else has any ideas. G-Man 20:20, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

RL positions

Thanks for fixing up the table. I'm more of a Union person, so I was mostly guessing from article how the names and form-up might go. Chris 15:03, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I saw your edit on Chris's page. I'm of the same opinion, more talk should be given to the player positions on the field. However, I think there should be a historical text that states the initial roles of the players, how they were named and how their roles have changed over time, espcially with the introduction of non contested scrums.

I'm currently working on a re-working of the rugby league page as it doesnt mention how to play the game from basics to formal rules accuratly and is not in a possition to accomidate such a peice with out substantial modification. POds 08:50, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby union

Hi GordyB. I have made an edit on the Rugby union talk page immediately before one of your edits. This has had the side effect of altering your original edit's meaning and intention. My aim was to tidy things up and keep the debate on whether to include player positions in the article in the right place (i.e. in the article's talk page, not in a template delete page) and make use of your link to the other debate. I'm just letting you know this out of courtesy. If you don't like what I've done please let me know and I'll be happy to work something out with you. Cheers. --Etimbo | Talk 19:58, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Free kick (rugby union)

You changed the category on this article to Rugby union, but left the text alone — yet the text described it as being a free kick in rugby. Should the text be changed too? And in that ccase, should the article title be changed? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 20:54, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I've changed the text, moved the article, and corrected all the articles that linked to it. That should be OK now. (No matter how many times I've watched rugby and tried to work out what the rules were, I've failed; I'm following your articles to see if they help. Nothing so far, but I won't give in. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:22, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sir Clive

This page should be at Clive Woodward not Sir Clive Woodward per wikipedia:naming conventions. Dunc|☺ 16:32, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. I've seen a couple of your articles on players. Please make sure you write the articles in an appropriate style. Mainly I am talking about, for instance, George Chuter should begin "George Chuter is a British Rugby League player." (or ehatever is basic information is true about Chuter). Cheers, pomegranate 20:59, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)

Hi GordyB. Thanks for your help. By the way, recently someone has proposed a page of mine for deletion. It is Scottish rugby commentators and journalists which I agree is not everyone's cup of tea - but if you could cast your vote I'd be very grateful. Cheers, --Historian 11:02, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)

Grand Slam

Doesn't it make more sense to change those pages to properly describe what the Grand Slam is rather than linking to a page which isn't appropriate (the disambig)? Pointing to the dab page just requires extra reading and an extra click if you want more info about rugby's Grand Slam. -Jcbarr 01:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi GordyB. Good job on the Grand Slam (Rugby Union) page. There are lots of rugby related articles that link to the disambiguation page so I'm going through them all and linking them directly to your new page and thus by-passing the disambig page (notice I've done it to the title of this section). GringoInChile 00:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sorry about the block

I ran into a problem unblocking you, but I think someone else did it. Let me know if not. alteripse 28 June 2005 22:09 (UTC)

Wikipedia block on your IP address (AOL)

Hi GordyB,

I understand your frustration at being unable to access Wikipedia, as you are not the same person that did the vandalizing on WP. The block on that IP will expire in 2 hours 15 minutes from the time I write this message, but be advised that another admin may reblock the IP address if that particular vandal starts vandalizing articles again. Sorry for the inconvenience; it's an ongoing problem with AOL. Bumm13 29 June 2005 10:28 (UTC)

Rewite of Canada national rugby union team

Here is the text from the article User:GordyB/Rugby so you can rewrite it, when you have a clean version copy and paste it back to the right page. Normally a new version id written on the temp page. --nixie 05:22, 12 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Closure of CfD

Hi, I removed your entry of Scrum (rugby) from the 'delete me' part of the CfD page. This is because you should follow the procedure to close a CfD properly (see the instructions on the page), which include archiving the debate. Then, the cat needs to be listed in the 'to be emptied' section, unless you empty it yourself. Only then can it be deleted. Also, it's best not close debates that you nominated if you're not an admin though that doesn't appear to be official policy on CfD (though it is o VfD). -Splash 20:41, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Moore

Hi. There are two articles on Brian Moore at the moment, one with the heading Brian Moore (athlete) and one with the heading Brian Moore (rugby footballer) which has a lot less in it than your article, but is the one linked from the disambig page. Would it be better to standardize as (rugby player), which seems to be the description used in the entries for most players? Rhion 08:36, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Irish British category

Hello there is nothing strange about this category, like Category:Irish-Americans or Category:Italian-Americans it is for people who have lived in Ireland or Italy or who had a significant ancestor who lived there for a significant time who have contributed significantly to America (or Great Britain for the British category). Arniep 10:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your message. I don't see why any stricter requirements should be applied than people in these categories Category:American_people_by_national_origin some of whom have only a great grandparent born in the said country category, and they are/were not all American citizens. Arniep 10:59, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Irish British category vote requested

Hi I noticed you voted to keep Scottish-Americans I would appreciate your help to retain Category:Irish British people, as I feel is perfectly valid to point out Irish people or people of near Irish descent who have contributed to life in Great Britain (England Scotland and Wales). Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Irish_British_people_to_Category:Irish-British_people Thanks!! Arniep 01:24, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hello would you support the renaming of this category to Category:Britons of Irish descent I will remove people who are not British citizens. Thanks Arniep 17:11, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Gordy. Thanks for your support on the rename. I think its a bit unfortunate I can't include people like Peter O'Toole and Todd Carty who, although born in Ireland moved to England at an early age, and Terry Wogan, Henry Kelly and Dermot Murnaghan who have spent much of their life in and are mostly only famous in Great Britain (many of those people are actually in British categories). The poet Tom Paulin was born in England but grew up in Belfast, spent most of his adult life in England, but I don't think his parents were Irish so he doesn't really fit under this new name. Arniep 23:31, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi sorry to bother you again. I have realised there is a snag with name which I proposed a few days ago Category:Britons of Irish descent as I intended the category to refer to people of note in Great Britain only, not Northern Ireland. I would prefer Category:Irish diaspora in Great Britain as this would avoid the possible inclusion of a huge amount of Northern Ireland people (as they are all British citizens) which wasn't the intention for the category. I have three supporters for this so far, If you agree to the new name I'd appreciate a vote or comment at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Irish_British_people_to_Category:Irish-British_people_Category:Britons_of_Irish_descent Thanks Arniep 18:31, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Irish British eureka moment

Hi Gordy I think I've finally worked out the best solution to resolve the disagreement on this category. We should split this category into Category:People of Irish descent in Great Britain, and Category:Irish people in Great Britain for people who live in Great Britain who call(ed) themselves Irish (whether they were born or grew up in the Republic of Ireland, Northern Irelandor born to ex pats abroad who now live in Great Britain). I would appreciate if you could support the new proposal at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Irish_British_people_to_Category:Irish-British_people__Category:Britons_of_Irish_descent_Category:Irish_diaspora_in_Great_Britain. Thanks Arniep 14:00, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby in the US

Thanks for the comment. In my opinion, the differences between rugby union and rubgy league are not so big that they shouldn't be under the same category. (That is, they're different, so they deserve different individual categories, but they can be under the same parent category.) But I don't really have a stake either way, as I'm not a fan of either. So if you want to make changes, feel free. Just make sure everything still links into Category:Rugby and Category:Sportspeople by nationality in some way.--Mike Selinker 19:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby teams

Hey GordyB, what are your thoughts on a template like this being used on the international RU team pages? Its just a draft and it basically copied from the football/cricket boxes. What do you think? Forever young 00:35, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union

Hi Gordy! Thank you very much for bringing this to my attention, indeed I did not know it existed. I shall certainly take a close look at it! --Stormie 12:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union

Hi from me too. I've joined up and let's see where it takes us. Nelson50 21:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the Invite!

I appreciate the invitation to join the Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union. I've added my name (I'm #10) and I've placed my teams. I also posted a question as whether or not we should, as a group, have a template for our user pages that shows that we are part of this effort.

Rowlan 15:36, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gordy. My interests are Wakefield RFC - for which I have already added a page, together with entries or stubs for some of their most notable players; Yorkshire Cup - an article that I am writing with wikipedia in mind; England National League 1 - for which I have a message board - www.leaguerugby.co.uk and contacts at most clubs within the top three divisions. --RichardLowther 23:00, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Rugby_union

I'm leaving this message because I haven't seen you post on the project page recently. I thought that perhaps you had given up on the project as people were initially slow to sign up. I've been harassing people into signing up and we now have 11 members. So if you had given up then take another look and if you've just been on holiday or whatever excuse this message.GordyB 12:08, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, yeah I'm sorry I haven't been very active in the project of late. Yes, some of it may have been due to the lack of activity, but now that I've seen a few people sign up I'm more than happy to come back and do some stuff. I'm keen to do a comprehensive section on the Rugby World Cup in the future, and also summaries of each and every tournament. Hope to get back to work soon, cheers. --mdmanser 12:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't having a go at you, without you and DaGizza the project would not have been started. I'm just being pro active in trying to get the project off the ground. 12 members now!GordyB 12:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey yeah no worries. You've seemed to do a great job from what I can see. Keep up the good work! mdmanser 12:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the invitation, but I am playing in a difference Wikipedia sandpit at the moment, but I have put a watch on the page and will be lurking. (But not tomorrow afternoon as I will be in a pub watching!) -- Philip Baird Shearer 23:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union

Thanks for inviting me. I have now joined. Number 12! Usally play scrum half :P. --Hamedog^Talk|@ 13:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pacific Tri-Nations

Teivovo produces a fiji rugby almanac that will probably assist in determining the facts here, been meaning to buy it for ages, i suppose now i will. --Xorkl000 14:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to move an article, move it properly

please. — Dunc|☺ 21:58, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, hang in there! It takes a while to get the hang of doing anything new. If there are no objections to your proposed move, I'll do it in a couple of days unless some other admin beats me to it.

Your AfD was a mistake. Big deal. My definition of expert is someone who has already made most of their mistakes. I'd encourage you to go on making them, the alternative is not to ever do anything worthwhile. Any probs or questions, feel free to use my talk page (or email if you want it private). Andrewa 06:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article has now been moved. Why Dunc wasn't more helpful I have no idea. I guess he was reacting negatively to your cut-and-paste moves. He hasn't even replied to the query I left on his talk page, despite replying to a couple of other things there.

All I can say is, thanks for your contributions including this one, and for your persistence and patience in pursuing this. Despite some technical mistakes, you have shown willingness to work within the policies, practices and guidelines, and to learn them. The result of this has been that the article has been improved despite it requiring several attempts on your part.

And you have done it all with good humour despite provocation. Well done. Andrewa 19:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

football

The Victorian Rules folk are trying to claim that Aussie Rules is an Australian variety of the game when it is very distinctly a Victorian variation of football and was codified in Victoria many years before the beginning of Australia. If you share the same opinion I would love for you to come to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Football and give your opinion.

All the best

04:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Licinius

Santiago Dellapè

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Santiago Dellapè, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, take a look at our Five Pillars. Happy editing!

As you did put in the edit summary it was off the 6N website - it shares a couple of sentences from it so I put it up for copy violations.

You did this in the following articles as well - anyone want to look into this?

Much of the info found on player profiles on RBS Six Nations Site. http://www.6nations.net/squad_england.htm

I don't normally reply on my own page but I want to make it clear to any casual reader that according to this I am not guilty of any copyright issues on the articles stated above.GordyB 02:33, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK then TheTallOne 11:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aussie NPC

Hi GordyB,

I wasn't sure what to do with the Ricoh Championship and the Australian Provincial Championship. The APC starts this year between the 4 Aussie super 14 teams and is being played I think in September. Would it be fair to say that this new competition is just a continuation of the Ricoh one under another name? Or do you think that perhaps they should be listed separately? There's also State of the Union which goes way back. So Im not sure how this should all be listed. When the ARU gets its act together and has a proper national club comp, that'll make working out where to list these things ever more difficult. Any thoughts?

Also thanks for the heads-up on the rugby project - I'll join up right now. Cheers, (Westius 23:00, 14 February 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Romania

Hello,

Thenks for making a little cleanup at the articles related to Romanian Rugby. I hope I'll try and work out also over there, but first I'll try and document myself. About the article Romanian Rugby Federation you are right in using the english name per WP:UE, and also I've added what I found to be the Official site of the federation www.frr.ro. Unfortunately I wasn't able to check it, as i have some enormous lag for the ping responses (over 3 seconds). The website www.rugby.ro is not the official site of the federation, but it is edited in close relationship with them and it is the moste up to date and reliable source about the Romanian rugby. Also I've found the logo of the Federation and of the national team here, but although the site is quite well documented I wasn't able to find a contact link, I'll keep searching. Anyways I think it can be used as fair use. Keep up the good work! Mihai -^talk 13:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As I could find out, www.rugby.ro is edited/financed by http://www.fest.rs.ro/ The foundation for the Youngser's Education through sport. I think it is mainly a funding related issue there, and as far as I know, it started as the federation website. About the project, I am aware of its existance, but I'm still a newbie in rugby and except Romania-related articles (where I culd help as I can read the materials :D) I do not know how I could help. Mihai -^talk 13:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:RugbyPortal

As you may know, the Template:RugbyPortal which can be seen at the top of the Portal:Rugby has been nominated for deletion. I need backup to keep it alive, and keep the Rugby Portal looking as nice and well presented as possible. The idea behind the Portal itself is to bring more visible attention to Rugby related articles, and hopefully get nominated as a featured portal or something like that. Please vote to save this template. Go to Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:RugbyPortal and vote KEEP. Cheers, Rowlan 15:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- Thanks...I think that will resolve the situation...although I'm still a bit annoyed that someone brought it up in the first place. But I can see the point, however grudgingly.

Rugby and soccer

I stand corrected. Any other sources for this? Cheers! --Scaife ^(Talk) Don't forget Hanlon's Razor 22:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Patrick

It seems that you and I have other similar interests. I saw that you had commented on the Saint Patrick discussion page. I have just nominated the article for peer review. Seeing as the 17th is only a few days away, I thought It was time for a good rally of support. I value your editing experience and would appreciate, if you have any free time, you reviewing the article. Cheers, Rowlan 16:05, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland Rugby Union Page

Since you are simingly the biggest contributor to said page I thought it fair to ask you: Can you add a "Most Capped Irish Players" to the page? Most other countries seem to have that feature.Thanks Jayteecork 17:29, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My Username

Hi. In June last year my username User:Jebus Christ was blocked. I discovered recently that the admin responsible User:Secretlondon was involved in protecting the article relating to the profet mahommed images under the banner of freedom of speach. I personally find this hypocritical.

I've started a petition to get my username back. If you support this can you please sign my petition on my talk page User talk:Jebus Christ.

Thanks Jimididit 12:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edits on the IRFU page

I made some changes to the IRFU page.

I noticed you have put quite a bit of work into the article so I thought I would leave you a note. The changes are in the talk page.

Conor 16:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ox Cavs

Thanks for the info, article has been amended as you suggested, with a league table thrown in.

Hi Gordy

I didn't intend to revert any good faith edits on Manchester United F.C.. There had been some vandalism and I reverted to the last version I could see without any such vandalism. As doing this meant I inadvertently removed your good faith edit, I apologise. Proto||type 11:38, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've cleared the vandalism out ok now, without losing your stuff. Please check it over. And as for being a dirty Leeds fan, that has nothing to do with it. Baaaaaaa. ;) Proto||type 12:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby Union Positions

I want to retain the sentence about the laws specifying certain positions in the scrum but I want to include your knowledge of law 20 (obviously better than mine). Your edit summary said that 3-5-1 was permissable by the laws, did you mean 3-4-1?GordyB 12:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, sorry I meant 3-4-1. Law 20 says

"The two players in the second row who push on the props and the hooker are the locks. The outside players who bind onto the second or third row are the flankers." (emphasis mine)

Clearly, binding on the second row is allowed, and that's 3-4-1.

FWIW: Law 20 identifies Prop, Hooker, Flankers, Locks and No 8 using those names. The Definitions at the beginning of the Laws identify only Prop, Hooker and Flanker. -- GWO

Thanks for the invite and BIWRFC article

Hi there,

Thanks for the invite to the rugby union project. I'll definitely edit some of the articles a bit with the little knowledge I have of international rugby. In the BIWRFC article, I noticed that you removed some of the categories. Being relatively new to Wikipedia, I was wondering why you deemed them inappropriate. I won't re-add them, as I'll defer to your experience for now. Cheers!

USA Rugby merge with Rugby union in the United States

What are your thoughts on merging the two articles and making USA Rugby a redirect to the merged page? I figured I'd ask you first as you're one of the primary contributors one of the pages. Hoopydink 23:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Your back!

Hey Gordy, glad to see you have started editing again. Just to fill you in, Rugby World Cup is now listed as a Good Article and Tri Nations Series champions is a Featured List. Rugby union in New Zealand is currently the NZ and RU collaboration as well. Anyway glad to see you are back. Forever young/Cvene64 04:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Wikiproject RU has developed a fait bit as well, though the COTF is still a little quiet. Cheers. Cvene64

RWC TV figures

I put back in the word "cumulative" to fix your concerns. Cheers Cvene64 12:57, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the British And Irish Lions page

1. i m not an anonomus editor. 2. i dont see how what i said is incorrect, the republic of ireland is not in britain. 3. the sentence as it now stands is incorrect and unsatisfactory. 4. The Irish Players should not have a shamrock symbol, i find this offensive, also its a religious symbol. Eith they have the Flag of Ireland (that s a harp on a green backround) or the Crest of the I.R.F.U. and if so the other nationalities should have the same and not flags

Owwmykneecap 20:33, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"EVen people born in the Irish Republic are entitled to British passports if born before 1948. The sentence as it stands says that the people of RoI and some in the North don't consider themselves British. Nothing untrue about that."

true but that is like saying Mexicans dont consider themselves Chinese, nothing untrue about that either.

"The Shamrock symbol was decided by a vote, it was not my preferred option (the St Pats Cross) but that's the way it goes. Nobody suggested a harp, but I think it would not have worked as Leinster Rugby use a harp. It is a religious symbol but it does appear on the Ireland shirt and it is neither a Catholic or Protestant symbol nor a unionist nor a nationalist one."

Im not suggesting a harp, but the flag of leinster (which is why they have the harp) which is also the flag of the Island of Ireland as a whole. which is on this page. Leinster.the shamrock despite being a Christian (and hidu in the punjab) symbol which is neither Prodestant nor catholic it has no place on that page.

and i was not suggesting that use use the four province flag but the symbol of the IRFU which appers on the shirts (and if you do this on Irish players you have to do the same for the rest) this would be the best as everyone would have one symbol and no arguments, they are representing their association after all Owwmykneecap 21:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A sentence like 'the name was changed because Ireland is not part of Britain'...

but thats not the sentence i wrote. i said "The team adopted this latest name, in part, to take account the fact that the Republic of Ireland is not a part of britian." which is of course true, the current sentence is nonsense at least from the Republic of ireland side.

My father is eb=ntitled to a british passport, that does not make him brittish

and of course people in N I have uk passports, it is legally part of britain, that is not in doubt, still does not make you british though.

and i still find the shamrock massively offensive. Owwmykneecap 23:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- just 2 points.: "You didn't say the Republic of Ireland is not part of Britain, you said 'Ireland is not part of Britain'. Had you said the Republic of Ireland is not part of the UK, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

I did write republic of Ireland not Ireland...for that very reason.

also the shamrock is offensive for what it portrays as Ireland The Twee Jollly Religious (and that almost implies backward) country nonsense we have to put up with from foreign media "they have great team spirit" etc.... it should be either a flag (as in Rep of ire or Ni depending or The Flag of Ireland For both) or smbol/logo of their rugby body. anyway... Owwmykneecap 22:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

yes but here uk or britain does not matter as Rep Of Ireland is in neither. anyway as for two flags...Well if you are from the Fat Dad You are tecnically Northern Irish (whatever that is!) so if they were given th st pats and the other 26 counties (including the other 3 ulster ones ) the Tricolour, thats if the the symbol represnts the player (actually what does the symbol represent????). and if a certain player was known to be one side or other then it could be changed to the British N I or Rep Flag. If we are going by legaly, in our constitution anyone born on the entire Island Is Irish.....

I still think Reresnting everyone by there respective Rugby boards Logo is the best and least devisive route to take (i know you said fair use, but i dont see how its not fair...esp since all logos are already on Wiki) since that is who the players represnt, the best of their "union" competeing with the best of the other 3 for a place...is it not? Owwmykneecap 22:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My apparently controversial edits

GordyB, Thanks for your notes on my page. Can you help me to understand the problem a bit better. I was correcting incorrect capitalisation of "Rugby League" and "rugby league" to the article name at Rugby league. I now understand the issue with keeping the first word in lower case unless its at the beginning of a sentence and as I said on the talk page, I'll revert those as soon as possible.

I cannot quite see the issue with my changes and "Rugby League Football" however as I cannot see where I've changed "Rugby League Football" to "Rugby league" which is what seems to being implied. I don't disagree with the sentiment, I just cannot see that anything I've done has affected this specific. (I have recreated the Rugby League Football redirect page though.) Can you point to some diffs for me? Regards -- I@n 14:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RL question

Hi Gordy. I left a question at Talk:History of rugby league, but it hasn't been answered yet. Can you shed any light on the issue? JPD (talk) 17:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info. I have made some changes to History of rugby league. I hope they are accurate, and make things clearer. JPD (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]