User talk:Goldcup1

2008 Riots

Hello! Your participation in WikiPedia is welcomed, but just now is a problem with the 2008_political_unrest, where BBC informations concidering 2008 riots were reverted 2 times. It seems to be close to the Wikipedia:edit warring. When the first revert was done I'd created a topic at the article's discussion page where welcomed you to the constructive cooperation. As this question has no personal matter the best discussion plase would be the Talk:Tsakhiagiin_Elbegdorj#2008_Riots where you can explain your vision of Russian participation in 2008 riots and the quality of BBC reports vs facts. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 07:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, templates or other materials from Wikipedia, as you did to Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj, you will be blocked from editing. BBC is an independent and reputable source, which makes it perfectly acceptable for Wikipedia as of WP:R. This does not become invalid just because you don't like the information. As long as you don't provide an independent source of equivalent quality contradicting them, the material will stay. --Latebird (talk) 23:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I see the following part from previous edition which looks correct according to court documents. Therefore, I put it back. Why BBC is more powerful than court of the country? BBC is not a decision maker. Why do you want to delete court decisions? That's really a POV.

Elbegdorj led Democratic Party in the 2008 Parliamentary elections. All of the three level courts – court of primary jurisdiction, appellate and the Supreme Court of Mongolia proved that Mongolia’s General Elections Committee chairman Battulga (MPRP) made decisions violating the Law on Elections that became the major cause of the nationwide elections irregularities that might have changed the elections result by which MPRP won. Civil movement party and Republican party leaders went to MPRP building to give MPRP chairman and Prime Minister Sanjaagiin Bayar a demand to recount the ballots on July 1 after MPRP announced its victory. But Bayar refused to get the paper and the people were not let into MPRP building. People gathered in front of MPRP building demanding MPRP to recount the ballots. MPRP building was protected by the police. The demonstration prolonged and turned into riot and in the midnight President Nambaryn Enkhbayar announced the State of Emergency during which the police shot four civilians to death and injured many to disability. A wounded innocent teenager and witnesses confirmed that they were shot by the police. In addition, the police acknowledged its shooting against civilians and usage of rubber bullets in their guns.; Elbegdorj repeatedly demanded from the MPRP chairing Government to account responsibility for the ones who gave orders to shoot civilians and murderers of the victims which haven’t been done yet.

--Goldcup1 (talk) 10:23, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

The BBC talks about Elbegdorj, the court decisions don't. This makes them off-topic in that article. For that reason I have removed them again. Please do NOT re-add them. However, if you consider them relevant in order to understand the person Elbegdorj (the topic of the article), then you are welcome to present your arguments on the article talk page for consideration. --Latebird (talk) 00:27, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

When I find information on subjects that I know in different outlets, and archives of various countries, it surprises me how much journalists give wrong information on events, subjects and history if they don't know the thing what they are writing depending on their knowledge on the subject or their language barrier or they base their info only on one sided source. Therefore, it is not right to say that BBC is always correct. Because BBC was not the one that was doing live broadcast at that time. Instead it is better to base new article on 2008 riot from live broadcast of the event such as Mongol TVs as Eagle TV, NTV, TV5, TV9 etc. For this recent case, BBC is not the one to be source only because of its one sided not correct info. In addition, court decisions are authoritative decision of judicial power. After all the whole 2008 riot doesn't relate to Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj subject. Since the event itself is huge, it is better to create a new article on it and make some connections. Thanks. --Goldcup1 (talk) 18:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability. Nobody said that the BBC is always correct (no source is), but they are an independent source we can verify. You have yet to provide an independent and reliable source to contradict them. There is no competition between the BBC and your court rulings, because they cover different topics. --Latebird (talk) 19:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)