User talk:Gold heart/Archive 2

Challange still unmet

Bastun, I am not bothered about Croke Park either, it's in the distant past as far as I'm concerned. I said earlier that I had forgot about it, as far as I'm concerned, it is over. Still no editor has met my challenge, as outlined above. Gold♥ 01:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gold, just to clarify - my mentioning of a "them and us" attitude was a response to what sony-youth wrote at the top of this thread, not to any action of yours. Meanwhile I'd suggest to any other readers reading this that the challenge remains unmet - squabbling among ourselves is not going to improve the encyclopaedia nor any of our relationships. Waggers 08:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, re-reading the challenge, I'm now unsure as to whether you mean this page, or the BI talk page. Regardless, I don't recall any uncivility or personal attacks made by you on either page - with the exception of your repeated accusations that I have attacked you. On further reading of WP:NPA, accusing someone of making a personal attack is in itself not a personal attack. I therefore withdraw my accusations that you have personally attacked me, and I apologise. However, the fact remains that you have, several times, accused me of attacking you. I can't find any evidence of it, and despite repeated requests, you have failed to provide any. So - how about withdrawing the remarks, call it a scoreless draw, and we can move on, get Friday out of the way and enjoy a stress-free bank holiday weekend? Regards, Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 10:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay Bastun, thanks for some of your comments. I really don't like accusing anyone of directing a personal attack against me. You have asked me for the link, and to be honest I had some difficulty tracing, and also I was busy at other things too. In a court of law, it's most often in the way a transgression is interpreted by the recipient that is accepted by the court as being fact. So if the recipient has been hurt by some remark, the court won't deem on whether the recipient should, or should not have been hurt by a remark (slander). Basically, the way I took this remarkis as follows. You addressed me, and you pointed to a WP link that was all about "hate". The inference was that I hated the term "British Isles", or maybe I hated the term British. This could, in the circumstance be inferred that I harboured "racial hatred". Well Bastun, that's very far from the truth. Sometimes these disputes get into the area of hyperbola, and maybe the odd "point" is pressed a little too strong, but Bastun, it's not hatred, it's just debate. It's important that one can argue, with fervour sometimes, without being tarred with the above, and it's not a nice accusation to take, especially when it's incorrect. Gold♥ 01:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's an... interesting... chain of assumptions. To be clear, my intention was only to point out that an editor can't remove something because they don't like it. And I linked to the relevant essay. It was never my intention to accuse you of racial hatred. If that's the inference you took, then apologies for any offence caused. In my defence, though, I don't think linking to WP rules, guideline or essays is generally frowned upon. Regards, Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 23:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I sometimes frown upon it - it can often be a breach of WP:CIVIL, implying things about another editor based, in certain cases, on flawed reasoning. (Sarah777 23:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

I am afraid Bastun that it was you who made the "interesting... chain of assumptions" - I didn't assume anything about you, nor did I question your motives for being on the British Isles (BI) page, nor would I tell you how or what to think, or believe for that matter. That's your personal business. The paragraph you pointed to, without going into detail, did not represent me, or my beliefs, at all. Neither did it represent anything I had said. It can be uncivil to make an assumption about another editor, it's always better to keep the subject, and not to make the other editors the subject. You said, "To be clear, my intention was only to point out that an editor can't remove something because they don't like it". Who told you that I don't like the term BI? Who said that I wanted to remove the article BI from WP? Also, the content of your direction was about hatred. The situation is, that because you pointed to that paragraph, those words became yours, including the "hatred" word. It was not a "relevant essay", it was totally uncalled for, and totally irrelevant. Quote, "I don't think linking to WP rules, guideline or essays is generally frowned upon". Bastun, it's not a WP rule you pointed to, as you said, it's an essay, and I believe that it is an essay that should be rewritten. What rules did I break Bastun? It was totally uncalled for, and I hope you see clearly, my points. Neither do I harbour grudges, I wan't to move on from here, and thanks for kinder words earlier, but it is important that you understand the points I have made here today. Gold♥ 01:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Point taken, and again, apologies. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 10:37, 3 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deansgrange

That looks great Gold - much better! Mind, the Bank of Ireland is no more but the photo is a great record of what the crossroads once looked like. (Sarah777 10:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Gold - there IS actually a Luas stop to be built at Laughanstown rather than Loughlinstown [1], believe it or not! Regards (Sarah777 21:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Neither had I till the Luas came around...I assumed it was a mistake too. (Sarah777 21:42, 2 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

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==Council Housing==

Shankill, Dublin Article

Council housing is not exclusively a UK term. You and your fangirl/boy/droid Sarah777 seem to think it is, when even Dublin City Council (Dublin Corporation) seem to have no problem with it, and use it currently.

From CH article.

"The Republic of Ireland has a similar public housing system, Local Authority Accommodation."

This is going into the Shankill article upon the next inevitable revert. Remove it and you're simply being a troll for the sake of it. Stop pushing your middle class guilt into articles where it has no place, it's tedious and really is beneath such great editors such as yourself and Sarah777.

Council Housing

Shankill, Dublin Article

Council housing is not exclusively a UK term. You and your fangirl/boy/droid Sarah777 seem to think it is, when even Dublin City Council (Dublin Corporation) seem to have no problem with it, and use it currently.

From CH article.

"The Republic of Ireland has a similar public housing system, Local Authority Accommodation."

This is going into the Shankill article upon the next inevitable revert. Remove it and you're simply being a troll for the sake of it. Stop pushing your middle class guilt into articles where it has no place, it's tedious and really is beneath such great editors such as yourself and Sarah777.

You did link it to council house in the UK, which, may I suggest, wasn't a correct link. Why are you so tied up over that sentence. I reckon that you are pretty "middle class", for it seems a very MC edit, may be wrong, and that's a guess. A house, is a house, is a house. Gold♥ 12:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, gold star, I think you'll find there are several different types of houses. Just ask Sarah777. Sentence changed to proper, acceptable PC term, as worked out tediously by this IP and Sarah777. Please keep your POV opinions about me out of Wikipedia.

Oh come on anonymous person! Given the abuse you are hurling at me in the Shankill talkpage you are a bit chutzpahtic to attack Gold for POV. "Please keep your POV opinions about me out of Wikipedia." Why not try signing your trolling like the rest of us? (Sarah777 02:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Thank you!

Gold, thank you very much for your comment at Elinor's RfA! I've never had someone say, "Okay. I'll strike it, and all because of --Iamunknown, for I know from some past experience that he/she is a good and worthy editor, and I'll defer on this occasion." That really brightened my day. :-) I hope you like this sunflower and I hope that it will brighten your day too! --Iamunknown 04:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Signature

Per WP:Signature, could you please take the smiley face from your signature? Thanks. Miranda 04:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done! And thanks for pointing that page out to me, I was going change it back anyway, it was a bit distracting. Gold♥ 12:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! Miranda 16:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Leaving

I have finally decided to leave Wikipedia, and I depart with sadness. I have fallen in love with someone, and there is a tricky situation involved. And from now I have to pursue other interests, and maybe find a way through. Everyone, thanks for the laughs, and if I ever crossed anyone, maybe it was because I liked you too. I think I have done some fairly good edits, but my academic memory has faded, and no, I'm not too old, and still turn the odd head.

So if you come here to the page over some former edit, or such, I'll probably have left the building at that stage. Good editing, and shalom, and the in the loveliest of all languages Slainte.

Gold♥ 20:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And there was I just getting to know you! All the best in your life; hope it works out (Sarah777 20:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Aw - sad to see you go. Take care and I hope everything works out. Slán leat! Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 07:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sad to see you go too Gold. Best fortune where ever love takes you. Whatever about my hard words two weeks ago - I'll miss you around. Slán leat! --sony-youth^pléigh 22:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Just dropping by, thanks for the kind words. Everything is going in a circle of work, to wikipedia, and then for libations. Just have to break the cycle, and get out of the loop for a while. Some pressing issues to sort. May come back after a break for a couple of months, see how things move. Thanks Gold♥ 12:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IP Address Threats

quote:

"Interesting, my friend works for NTL broadband, and often has to track addresses for a certain state agency. I was very tempted to show her this page earlier on. But I didn't. IP, we are watching you! Your IP is public is in the public domain! Gold♥ 00:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)"[reply]

- What exactly did you plan to do with this illegally obtained, confidential customer information? Did you plan on posting the IP's lease owner name and address here? Surely that would contravene, oh I don't know, several laws?

Hey, it was only a wind up joke, just like I was wound up by the IP. Cheers ;) Gold♥ 20:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re

Gold heart, sorry for the long-delayed reply. People tend to get uppity when they see images in signatures - and when a million other things happen. BTW, if you want to short your signature further, you can change the code to Gold♥ ([[User:Gold heart|<span style="color: #0B0; font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; font-size: +2;">Gold♥</span>]]). It renders the same for me yet is a bit shorter.

And I hope that your absence is not permanent! Come back when you feel ready, and help make an encyclopedia. :) Cheers, Iamunknown 14:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks;) Gold♥ 20:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi gold! Welcome back. Don't apologise to offensive trolls...your only crime was to express a bit of concern for me. That obviously annoyed some agendistas. Cheers (Sarah777 20:28, 20 June 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Cool

And if you hit this page, "You are once, twice, three times a lady,". Thanks! Gold♥ 21:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder

Review notes on Medieval Irish History, re Cronin. Attend to library, book overdue. Gold♥ 13:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Reading your comments just now on the RfC, I have to say, I'm genuinely puzzled how you can just overlook the many fine examples of incivility at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sarah777#Evidence_of_disputed_behavior. When you say you have always found her "refreshing, to the point, and always civil", are you by any chance regarding blatant Anglophobia and hostility bordering on racism as not a case of incivility? I think that has to be the case doesn't it? Just asking, as it's a shame to see the "pro-Irish-cause" editors apparently lining up behind ignoring this, as it undermines standards on Wikipedia. MarkThomas 13:29, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, talk about Anglophobia and racism, what should we call this [[2]]?:). I only go by my experience on WP, and that's mine. No point pretending that the past was all rosey an sweet. If someone says otherwise, well? Maybe it's time for stepping back. Gold♥ 13:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I see the ground we're actually on - pure POV campaigning. Did you also see that programme produced by RTE where they showed how the Dublin government allowed a number of leading SS exterminators to live quietly in the suburbs of Dublin after the war? It was on the History Channel last night in the UK. Still, a few facts aren't going to trouble you are they. MarkThomas 13:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, I don't watch television, not since about three years ago, so I missed that one. People who had done terrible deeds during WW2 lived in Britain too, and were never charged. So really, it not unique, and shouldn't be used in debate. It was often years later that the evidence surfaced, and I totally abhor what did happen during WW2, and other wars. Gold♥ 14:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By "terrible deeds", who exactly do you mean? Winston Churchill perhaps? MarkThomas 18:08, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Mark, war is bad, bad, bad. It represents utter failure of mankind. I have an aunt and an uncle who fought in WW2, and another uncle-in-law was a major and secretary to field-marshal Montgomery, and he even wrote a book. Yeah I know a bit about war. Are you trying to "pull my chain"

? Gold♥ 19:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reference lists and templates

Hi Goldheart! Nice to see you back on. To answer, I always use {{Reflist}} instead of references-small, for a number of reasons. 1) it's tidier, 2) It's clearer to newbie editors that follow along that "this is where the references end up" 3) you can make it 2-columns later with a simple |2 option. Also, as its not transcluded, we can make global changes to how small reference lists work with one file change. It's all good :). Furthermore, {{sourcesstart}} and {{sourcesend}} complement it perfectly when adding footnotes and cites that are not embedded references. Check them out! - Alison ☺ 22:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Allie, that's interesting as I'm half-baked in a couple of languages. I like the global use. Always wondered about that;- Gold♥ 22:12, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NPA warning

Stop attacking other editors per Talk:Great_Irish_Famine#Genocide. Next time you will be blocked. Tyrenius 20:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tyrenius - can you provide some diffs here, please? I'm not seeing repeated instances of personal attacks there - Alison ☺ 20:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rest it a day, ta ;) Gold♥ 21:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tyrenius, left message on your page. Thanks Tyrenius for being vigilant and impartial, leave it there;) Gold♥ 20:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Gold

Hope you are doing well! I'll comment at WT:BP later today; I got on Wikipedia for a short while to see if anything rash had happened ;) and what I saw was that none had! Now I'm off to real life and such. Later, Iamunknown 14:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sojourn

Taking a short sojourn, will be away for a day or two. Gold♥ 18:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck! Enjoy the break ... :) - Alison ☺ 19:21, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Hurray, you are back! (I peeked on Allie's talk page :P) --Iamunknown 05:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Agus fáilte romhat ar ais - Alison ☺ 06:10, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Your page moves at the speed of fork lightning, just made it, we'll have to make you a bureaucrat so you can slow down. I hope you have a nice time in Ireland, "Singing in the Rain" maybe;) Thanks for the explano, cheers. Gold♥ 13:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nap

Squeak is at it again, off for a nap. Gold♥ 00:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Gold

I see you're having a difficult time. Please stay strong! I wish I could cheer you up in person; but since that's not a possibility, e-mail me if you need to (plz!). I don't want you to leave. In hopes to cheer you up, if only for a little while, I leave you these flowers and a splash of colour! Again, please e-mail me if you need to! --Iamunknown 23:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And one from me. Take care, come back soon. we need you. (Sarah777 09:30, 6 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Hey

I noticed your reply. Thanks :) Could you enable your e-mail? Just go to Special:Preferences, add in your e-mail address and click "Enable e-mail from other users". Sarah and I miss you! (Alison would too, but she's out of town! :P) --Iamunknown 01:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking of you ...

... hope everything is okay with you. Please do return here - you'll always be welcome and your friends here miss you. Your friend, Allie. - Alison ☺ 10:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thursday

Yeah, Thursday night it was, not feeling great inside, but surface okay, engaged in a marathon Hold'Em Poker session, lots of drinks being passed around, lost my shirt, didn't feel too good at the end, can't really drink more than four, it doesn't agree, thanks for concern, it means a lot. Much better now, hope I haven't lost my credibility as well as my shirt :) Gold♥ 17:39, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heck no Gold! Welcome back!!(Sarah777 21:15, 8 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Shots

Hmmmmm. OK, so maybe flowers weren't the right gesture! (Sarah777 01:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC))[reply]

LOL, always liked flowers! Gold 11:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ta!

It looks like someone finally caught on! --Iamunknown 17:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]