User talk:Gmac78

Donnchadh MacRath

Many thanks for your interest in this page; I hope you will not mind that I have temporarily reverted your edit. May I ask:

Did you intend to delete the reference to Ian Garbh and, if so, was there any particular reason?
Do you have a published source for the assertion that it was not both co-heiresses but "Julia" who resigned "her" rights? The usual genealogical works suggest that both sisters effected the resignation, but I appreciate that there may well be better sources available.
When you suggest that Julia resigned "her" rights, to whose rights exactly do you refer: Janet's, Julia's, or both sisters' rights?

I feel that there is a great deal more to be said on Wikipedia about the person and family of the remarkable Duncan Macrae, but am not sure how to get hold of the material! With best wishes, 45ossington (talk) 07:24, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Iain Garbh was an uncle of Janet and Julia, not their brother see here: http://www.archive.org/stream/genealogicalhera04burk#page/590/mode/2up

Iain Garbh drowned in 1671(see Chronicles of the Frasers/Wardlaw MS), his son Iain Og succeeded(see Book of Dunvegan Vol 1 pg 65) under the tutelage of his uncle Murdo(Iain Garbh's only brother who sat in his seat, see Gaelic Songs of Mary Macleod pg 31). The pipe tune Macleod of Raasay's Salute was originally titled Lament for John son of John Garbh(see Donald Macdonald Collection here: http://www.piobaireachd.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=86&Itemid=101 Front Matter including Index to the Tunes. Janet and Julia were the only children of Iain Garbh's elder brother Alexander(6th chief). Alexander, who bought Julia's rights was a son of Malcolm, Iain Garbh's younger brother. Malcolm also drowned in 1671. There are many descendants of Iain Garbh alive today, the current chiefly family of Lewis/Raasay have either forgotten this or choose to ignore it - in any event they are not the senior male line.

I don't have a published source for the assertion that it was Julia(Geills,Sile) who sold her rights, I have a transcribed sasine RS38/5 f.584v – 583r, the original of which is in the National Records in Edinburgh. In it Geills(Julia) sells her rights of half the lands of Raasay, to Alexander Macleod, her "father's brother's sone". I have been unable to find a record that Janet(wife of Duncan) sold or resigned her rights, if she did, it was not in 1692 as most references claim. Raasay, from 1610, was held under the Mackenzies, until James 11th of Raasay got the lands once more under the crown. Perhaps Janet's MacRae descendants had a claim to an equal half of Raasay up to that point, it may be the reason the Macleods moved their seat from Brochel in the north to Clachan in the south. Some, at least, of Iain Og's descendant's lived in Skye, where MacLeod of MacLeod gave them lands.

All the best GMacleod --Gmac78 (talk) 11:53, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks indeed; I have ordered a copy of the Book of Dunvegan and have reworded the relevant passage. I hope that the revised wording is satisfactory, but please feel free to continue to improve it. 45ossington (talk) 12:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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