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Date formatting

Hello Gmac, thank you for your edits. I've reverted two of your recent edits changing British/European dates (DD Month YYYY) into American-style dates (Month DD YYYY). Please leave these as British style dates when not on American-related articles. Thank you, and once again, thank you for getting involved! —Sladen (talk) 12:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

stn art lnk

Please note that this links are already in the infobox and so you don't need to duplicate them by adding them separately. Adambro (talk) 13:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two minor issues with that (not that I'm being awkward or anything) - firstly infobox details are difficult to read (and thus easy to miss!) if you've got less than perfect eyesight or if (like me) you use a high resolution monitor. Putting them on the main page makes them easier to spot. Secondly, most other pages already have the same format - if that isn't correct, maybe it would be worth letting other people know. Gmac67 (talk) 14:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. Since the stn art lnk template provides links to the NRE page and maps I've gradually been removing these as I've added coordinates to stations, this being the point at which the information is duplicated and so there will be many articles which still have stn art lnk. There was some concern awhile ago as to whether we should be providing these links at all due to the consensus that Wikipedia shouldn't be a travel guide and so retaining these links in an unobtrusive way as part of the infobox seems to be a sensible compromise. Adambro (talk) 14:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Opening date for Grosmont station

I would suggest that your recent addition of an opening date of 1865 for Grosmont station is misleading to say the least. The first station at Grosmont (then known as 'Tunnel') was opened in 1835 by the Whitby and Pickering Railway.

The present station house was built by the York and North Midland Railway c 1845 - 47, with the through steam hauled service to Whitby commencing in 1847.

It was in 1865 that the North Eastern Railway completed the branch line down the Esk Valley and extended the station by building an additional platform serving the branch.

Today the only national network service serves that 1865 branch platform, the original two main line platforms are served by the NYMR together with a third platform built by the NYMR, who also own the extant station buildings, save a waiting shelter on the branch platform.

So the station opened in 1835 and re-opened in 1847, it was only the branch platform that opened in 1865 - but how you convey all that in an Infobox I cannot say.

Incidently, even the lowest NYMR timetable serves Grosmont with six trains per day (nine at the peak), three of which continue on to Whitby on most days, so surely they are the main operator at Grosmont, granted their service is limited in winter.

XTOV (talk) 21:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No easy way round that though is there, unless the NYMR and Network Rail station sections are separated out. The Body book I used states the NER rebuilt & extended the 1847 station in 1865 but as you rightly say you can't really fit all that into an Infobox! If you can suggest a solution, then by all means alter the offending article. Gmac67 (talk) 21:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heysham Port railway station

Greetings! This edit[1] to Heysham Port railway station of yours added that it had Electric Multiple Unit (EMU) service until the 1960s, but there appears to be no evidence of electricity. What this additional intentional? —Sladen (talk) 22:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The difference between it’s and its

Hi there. For your future reference:

it’s (with an apostrophe) is short for "it is"
its (without an apostrophe) means "belonging to it"

–Signalhead ^< T > 18:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see Gmac67 posted a reply. I am kinda with him. I sit and proof every edit I make, preview it and check changes, and still some things slip through-- and it is usually something really minor where one has been concentrating on an article's larger issues. I've not been caught out by "it's/its" yet but I no doubt will soon, and yes I also no the difference. Is there an article for Greengrocer's Apostrophe? (i.e. excessive use of them). At least we all have the Wikipedian goal of improving it, y'all keep up the good work. SimonTrew (talk) 08:57, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Greengrocer's apostrophes are mentioned in the 'apostrophe' article. Despite Gmac67 saying he knows the difference between its & it's, and despite my reminder, he still gets it wrong every time... [2][3] I'm not going to labour the point, but I thought it was worth mentioning just to see if it would make a difference. Sadly, it hasn't.

By the way, Gmac67, one thing that might help you in your editing is the 'stnlnk' (station link) template. It saves you typing out a railway station's name twice, so instead of typing [[Station Name railway station|Station Name]], you only have to type {{stnlnk|Station Name}}. –Signalhead ^< T > 21:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not only that, but I presume one of the advantages of using templates is the template definition can be changed in one place (e.g. if suddenly the style guide said "say railroad stop" in pink capital letters) and has the potential to be used to to gather metadata (e.g. a contents page) and that kind of thing.

Mr Trew has it spot on - it is all too easy to miss things like that when concentrating on the bigger picture. I will try to word them to avoid the problem altogether wherever possible from here on in, if only to avoid annoying the grammar "experts" who seem to be more interested in ensuring that articles are letter & punctuation perfect than expanding and adding to them. The information regarding the Stnlnk template is very useful and I will try and make use of it where possible in future.

I wouldn't go that far, but on the other hand I do very much try to word things trying to think of a global audience, i.e. use simple English that others will understand. You then get some pedant come along and change it to some esoteric term—usually with no links etc— and I think hmm you insular idiot. I went out with a Canadian for eight years, who had English as her first language, and she would sometimes struggle with British idiom. So I am always trying to think: who is my reader? what sense will my reader make of this? What knowledge can I assume? How can I write intelligently but also not go over my reader's head? That varies from article to article of course.

I wouldn't characterise Signalhead as a grammar monkey he does lots of good work on Wikipedia, but wow I have got one article right now where a guy reverts almost ANYONE else's change for those kinds of reasons; they may have written a whole block of new informative text and it is reverted because the grammar is a bit squiffy (FIX IT THEN). Especially in articles with many contributors for whom English is not their first language, the grammar is not always spot-on. Well so what, just fix it. I presume he thinks he owns the article and is using it as an excuse to revert. I have simply given up editing it.

You also get "good" spelling nuts who just quietly fix a typo or rearrange a sentence without making a song and dance about it.

Personally I would ban the apostrophe altogether. SimonTrew (talk) 19:14, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea! I just try and add useful information if at all possible - I'm not always going get every last detail right, as my typing isn't as good as it could be (faster I go, worse I get.....). I do try to avoid visibly bad spelling & grammar mistakes where possible though - don't want to get into the bad habits that I see every day at work!

Nobody needs to distinguish between "its" and "it's" in speech so why need they in writing? Totally useless mark-- and you may observe that the use of apostrophes pronouns is at odds to the rest of the language, so it's hardly surprising people get confused: "your's" (with apos; your is) and "yours" (without apos; possesive) are different from "cups" (without apos; plural) and "cup's" (with apos; posessive). And all this palaver with other's, others' etc. Totally needless; junk them. This is not a new idea but the more of us supporting the campaign the better. They were originally just introduced by compositors to DISAMBIGUATE when genuinely ambiguous, and slowly became the norm.

BTW I see you use two spaces after full stop. This is not common style. Does no harm in Wikipedia since it removes redundant spaces (mostly) but could save your spacebar. That being said, I imagine you are so used just to going thump thump it would take you longer to unlearn it than just to continue. SimonTrew (talk) 19:35, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's how my word-processing tutor taught me to type at college to be honest (for my City & Guilds exams back in the day). One space after each word, except for two at the end of sentences. Been doing it that way for the best part of fourteen years, so it'd take a while to do otherwise (and I'm not entirely sure which way of doing things is correct in the U.K now anyway - something I'll enquire about when I have the chance). Gmac67 (talk) 17:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Uh-oh going to fall off the right hand side of the screen if not careful...

My aunt was a teletypist, another was a stenography teacher. They both used two spaces when typing documents. My dad did too, probably learning from them. I am not sure what she did when specifically a message was for teletype i.e. not intended as a finished document, since bytes were expensive and huge abbreviation was done (like on telegrap and telex). On monospaced typewriteers there was merit in this, but for word-processing and other electronic systems, since the system itself formats the spacing there is no need to add it-- the system adds a little more space after a full stop anyway. Typical UK style since I have been typing/tech authoring is to use one space. I agree that if you have done it that long and it does no harm it will be harder to unlearn it (I meant "thump thump" to mean two spaces) then just carry on. A byte is hardly expensive these days. SimonTrew (talk) 17:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Settle Junction railway station

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