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Hello, Ghirlandajo! Thought you might be interested in the Russian wikipedians' notice board. Come check it out! KNewman 19:27, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)

Quite a coup! Congratulations! --Wetman 17:40, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks!! See also Rostov and Uglich. I hope to post articles on all the Golden Ring towns shortly. --Ghirlandajo 20:42, 19 Dec 2004

Mattise's Portrait of Lydia Delectorskaya

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Hi, I just came across this image:Lidia matisse.jpg. I am not familiar with Soviet Union's laws, but I know Matisse lived mainly in France, and his works could be protected by French copyright law in France and other Berne Convention parties. Do you happen to know where the work is first published? Tomos 12:02, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I cannot be sure where the portrait was published, so I changed {sovietpd} to {PD-old-50}. In my jurisdiction (I live in Russia) Matisse's work passed to the public domain on the 50th anniversary of his death. --Ghirlandajo 13:54, 20 Dec 2004 (GMT)

Hi. Thank you for your reply. I came up with another question. It seems that under many copyright laws, author's life + 50 years is calculated in a little tricky way: counting starts from the beginning of the next year of the author's death, and last until 50 year passes. It is, in other words, treat as if the author died at the last second of the last day of a year. Berne Convention's article 7-(5) has that provision, and that is reflected in many copyright laws, I think. In that case, the copyright protection last until the end of 2004. It may be wise to wait just about 10 days to attach that {PD-old-50} tag.
In case you don't mind reading the legal text, the Berne Convention article 7 is here: [1] Tomos 04:42, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Saint Petersburg

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Thanks for the great old picture additions to the article - wonderful! Leonard G. 00:32, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)


It was a good idea to move the descriptive caption to the image page. I was surprized though to see that you have restored the original caption that mentioned "twin towers." Skiperson 08:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your objectives at Wikipedia

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your "russophobic hysteria"

What are your objectives at Wikipedia? Are you contributing knowledge or infiltrating Russian imperial propaganda? Try to stay more polite and avoid such statements. --rydel 11:40, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Improving vs vandalism

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I don't mind if you correct my language/grammer, or if you move various article parts to better articles. However, simply reverting/deleting changes because *you* think they are not pretty is not a creative action. Wiki goal is not to be a beautiful novel, but an encyclopedia. Nice language is nice, but it is the information part that is essential. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:45, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

FYI, I support changes you made to Polish king template. Adding info is good. Removing info is bad. About Wladyslaw - obviously he didn't rule for long, or actually not at all, but he was crowned, wasn't he? You should expand on this - or why is it wrong - instead of deleting stuff, which leads to revert war and banning ppl from editing. We don't want that, do we? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 16:59, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Dear Piotrus, firstly Wladyslaw wasn't so much as generally accepted as a Russian tsar, let alone crowned. He was a Russian tsar in a sense that Edward III was the king of France. Secondly, the article on him contains a ridiculous statement that he ruled Russia for quarter a century (1610-35). You may check it out yourself. Ghirlandajo 17:11, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Your listing of Emax as vandal

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I believe your listing of Emax as a vandal is improper. He is really not a vandal but rather someone who pushes his own agenda. That's different from vandalism. You may want to take a look at Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution for gudance on how to deal with such problems. If he is really violating the WP:3RR, he will likely loose the case. --Gene s 08:24, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I would agree here that the dispute you have with Emax is not an appropriate one for VIP. Disagreements over content are not vandalism. I am not defending Emax here; I live about as far away from the Polish/Russian border as is possible, and I have no view on the dispute. Follow the dispute resolution procedures.-gadfium 09:16, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
By the way, I would like to list User:Emax on Wikipedia:Requests for comment for his refusal to use talk pages, generally uncooperative behavior, and personal attacks. I need a second contributor for that. Please contact me if you would like to do that. --Gene s 09:23, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Muscovy/Time of Troubles

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Please see Talk:Muscovy#Time of Trouble section split to a new article. --Gene s 08:56, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Black sea - looking a bit orange

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Hi Ghirlandajo,

I've just closed the Featured Pictures nomination for Prokudin-Gorskii's Black Sea in 1915. The concensus was a bit borderline, so I defaulted to not promoting — which is a bit disappointing.

I rather thought the concerns over a slightly sloping horizon were somewhat besides the point. However, since I got the impression that most of the support votes were positive due to its being interesting early colour photography, whilst most of the oppose votes were worried about the horizon, I was wondering whether there was a different Prokudin-Gorskii colour photograph that could be nominated (preferably one with strong colours but no obvious horizon... :) -- Solipsist 12:09, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Can you tell me for which Russian places we should use this category? Does it depend on population? If so - tell me border between towns and cities, because in Russia cites and towns are not divided. Thank you. MaxiMaxiMax 07:14, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC) <...>

If you don't answer I will have to revert your category changes, sorry. MaxiMaxiMax 09:00, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
You would return Gzhel and Ust-Izhora in the same category with Moscow and St Petersburg? Good luck to you! I don't think that such changes are good for the Wiki, however. There is so much more important things you can do. I trasfer this discussion from my page to RWNB talk page. Ghirlandajo 09:29, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I hope it will help. MaxiMaxiMax 09:31, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Um, in the article itself, as well as on your user page, you used the 's' form of the first name (which gets google hits), but the article is titled with a 'z' (which gets zero hits). Is there any particular reason the article shouldn't be moved to the 's' form? (I'd get input from my Russian roommate, but she won't be back from work for at least 6-7 hours). Thanks. Niteowlneils 17:55, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC) Talk

I found that the same basic article had been added a few weeks ago as Joseph Vladimirovich, Count Gourko. I liked your intro better (it established why he was notable right away), and you had some extra info at the end and an additional cat, so I moved all that to the earlier one, moved it to Joseph Vladimirovich Gourko and made Jozeph Gurko a redir (and updated all the pages that were looking for it there), along with some extra redirs to try and keep it from getting accidentally duplicated again. I even found an article that didn't link to either of them, so now Veliko Turnovo does. Niteowlneils 05:43, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Great additions! Thank you! -- Chris 73 Talk 10:40, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

Regarding Emax

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Let's bring an arbitration case against Emax. If you agree to support my move to file charges against him, we should do it tomorrow. --Gene s 15:06, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

ß íå âîçðàæàþ, íî íèêîãäà íå ó÷àñòâîâàë â òðåòåéñêèõ ïðîöåäóðàõ ðàíåå. Êàêèì îáðàçîì ýòî ïðîèñõîäèò? --Ghirlandajo 15:12, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
See WP:DR, WP:RFAr. And please do use summary field in your edits, because it's difficult to argue against Emax for his no-summary edits when you often do the same. I am leaving for today now. Bye. --Gene s 15:59, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The guy got banned for 24 hours. Let's see if that is enough. I guess there is no need for further action at this time. --Gene s 05:35, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Anti-Polonism

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Are you actually disputing the article on Anti-Polonism? I'm asking because I can't find any comments from you, neither in the edit history, nor in the talk page. Could you explain what is it that you find NPOV on the talk page? Alternatively we could simply erase the NPOV tag. Halibutt 09:32, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

Touches of Neoclassicism at the Gatchina

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That's a spectacular illustration you've added. I hope you won't be cross that I shifted it upwards and gave some specific text to show how conservative taste could employ some hints of neoclassical features within a wholly Rococo setting in the 1770s. This is an Orlov interior, so I added it at Gatchina to contrast with Paul's neoclassic gallery. (Old Rinaldi died in 1794.) --Wetman 09:08, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Так всё-таки...

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Надо всё-таки подойти к консенсусу по статье Russification (ответҗте на User talk:Untifler)/ Заранее спасибо. --Untifler 19:11, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)