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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- When you use rollback you will be able to get a confirmation prompt on most wikis. It asks you if you wanted to do the rollback. This is to avoid misclicks. You will have to opt in to get it. On German Wikipedia it will be an opt-out feature from 28 March. [1][2]
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 March. It will be on all wikis from 21 March (calendar).
Meetings
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You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 20 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Admins will be able to block someone from editing a page or a namespace. This already works on a few Wikimedia wikis. You can read more. If your wiki wants to be an early tester of this, you can tell the developers. [3]
- Toolforge will shut down the Ubuntu Trusty job grid. This will happen the week of 25 March. Tools that use this grid needs to be moved to the new Debian Stretch job grid. If they haven't, they will be taken offline. Maintainers can restart the tools later. Users may not be able to use them in the meanwhile. You can see a list of affected tools.
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19:43, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
Removing National Flag from a city article
Can you please explain me that why you removed national flag from Siliguri article on Wikipedia?? As most of the cities of India use national flag in their Wikipedia article respectively. Check these wiki pages Delhi, Mumbai, Allahabad. Sourik8 (talk) 16:09, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
- Hello @Sourik8:, the usage of flags in infoboxes is generally discouraged when such flags do not provide distinct information that isn't already available as text (see also Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons). For settlements and administrative subdivisions there is no clear consensus and the usage is inconsistent unfortunately. So you'll find most city articles without and some with flags. Anyway, it's a minor issue and I am usually only cleaning it up when editing the article anyway for another reason. On a quick additional note: layout between similar articles should be consistent throughout all of English Wikipedia, not handled differently for each country. GermanJoe (talk) 16:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
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Recent changes
- The new version of the content translation tool will be used for all new translations. The older version will still be used for translations that were started with it. Most users won’t see any change. More than 80% of the published translations are already using the new version. [4]
Problems
- There was a problem with editing with Safari on iOS. When you wrote an edit summary you couldn't save the edit. This has now been fixed. [5]
- The editing toolbar sometimes disappears when you scroll on iOS devices. This will be fixed soon. [6]
- Wikis can over-ride interface messages on-wiki. A problem meant that sometimes an old versions of any changed messages were shown instead. This included the sitenotice and other important parts of the interface. This was fixed at around 2019-03-22 16:00 (UTC). Logged-out users may still get the wrong message. Purging the page should fix it for them. [7]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 March. It will be on all wikis from 28 March (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 27 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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18:04, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
PR / Marketing (Inbound Marketing)
Hi !
All publications, are some kind of PR. The whole point of Inbound Marketing as concept is to be where you user is. So if the go to wikipedia about marketing, and the information isn't there.. I mean to not refer to inbound marketing blog article would be faulty, specially if we are the provider of information. To deny us because your personal opinion is that this is PR, isn't correct. It gives information about inbound marketing and methodology in it, and have a reference to a blog article. It's as much promotion and PR as referring to a book that has this information. Tho we live in a digital world, where information should be free and easy accessed. So why can't we refer to inbound marketing blog?-Since you denied it several times now.
It's no where close to direct PR or spam as you call it.
BR
/pia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.53.236.198 (talk) 16:13, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
- Please read the relevant Wikipedia guidelines that are already linked on your IP's talkpage and cover these questions in detail. It wouldn't be useful to repeat this information. Any kind of promotional activity - and your editing is clearly intended as such - is prohibited on Wikipedia. If you have further questions after readng the linked information on your IP talkpage, please ask at WP:Teahouse. Thank you. GermanJoe (talk) 16:49, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
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Changes later this week
- Notifications tell you about things that happen on the wiki. You can turn on notifications about new links to pages you created. For performance reasons you can no longer get e-mails about this. [8]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 April. It will be on all wikis from 4 April (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 3 April at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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16:29, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Histmerge info
- See Wikipedia:Requests for history merge#Completed requests April 2019. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
- Many thanks for double-checking this and finishing the histmerge, @Anthony Appleyard:. Unfortunately the various technical instructions are often a bit confusing (imo), so I wasn't really sure what to do in this case myself. All good now. GermanJoe (talk) 10:09, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello GermanJoe, thank you for your comments. I will reach out if I need further guidance. Meanwhile if you notice any more inappropriate references, please point them out. I thank you. Fsmatovu 15:56, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- More wikis are now testing visual editor section editing for mobile users. You can read more.
- Admins on French and Polish Wikipedia can block someone from editing a page or a namespace. If your wiki wants to get these blocks before they are available to all wikis, you can tell the developers. [9][10]
Problems
- You will be able read but not edit most wikis for 30 minutes on 11 April at 05:00 (UTC). This is because of a hardware problem. You can see a list of the affected wikis. [11]
- A map update caused some problems on 29 March and 30 March. It was rolled back. [12]
- Pages on some Wikivoyages had problems with the top headline. This has been fixed. [13]
Changes later this week
- When you add an edit summary the VisualEditor will search your recent edit summaries in case you want to re-use one. This works in both the visual and wikitext modes on desktop. It also works on the mobile site. [14]
- The Wikimedia wikis will get a URL shortener. This will work from 11 April. You can read more. [15]
- The
{{REVISIONID}}magic word will no longer work. This is for performance reasons. When you preview a page it will return""(empty string). When you read a page it will return"-"(dash). For now this will only affect content namespaces. [16] - The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 April. It will be on all wikis from 11 April (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 10 April at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- You will be able to preview references. This means that when you hover over the link you will get a popup that shows you a preview of the reference. It will work much like page previews. This is so you don't have to go to the bottom of the page to see a reference. This will now be available as a beta feature on German and Arabic Wikipedia. [17][18]
- The Wikidata JSON output will change. Empty containers will be serialised as empty objects. This is a breaking change that will affect tools that use JSON outputs and APIs. It will happen on 30 April. You can read more and see how to test your code.
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18:24, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLVI, April 2019
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"conflict of interest"
Hi GermanJoe,
I understand the reason why you left the conflict of interest message on my page, just wanted to clarify I do not in any way represent or work for Horasis or anything related with them. My interest in the subject solely arises in being from Portugal, where the organization's annual event is held. I've been an editor on Wiki for almost 10 years, just wanted to assure you that I am not being paid or working for anyone. If there's anything else, feel free to reach out! Cheers, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 10:40, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Constructive criticism taken (and appreciated, don't worry!). I'll leave you with the discretion to update the article now that I've increased its size, I just want to respond on a couple points:
- I based the speakers section off of the identical section on the World Economic Forum article. I also weeded down what was a very large list of speakers I found online to a smaller list of only speakers with Wikipedia articles that were either top ranking politicians or CEOs. Just curious as to what is the "acceptable" way to list info like this, as it seems like other events have similar sections in similar fashions.
- Completely agree. Please do remove all peacock-y terminology, I apologize if I wrote with too much of this type of language.
- The images I included were of three of what seemed to be the most famous or significant individuals that spoke at events that also had images eligible on the commons. This seems in line with pretty much any other type of event page. The hotel picture is to show an image of the host location, likewise done by World Economic Forum and other event articles like Mobile World Congress or any of the G7, G8, G9, and so on. If it's too many images, feel free to remove one.
Best, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 11:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Update, just noticed you removed everything, but I ask you reconsider now based off of these points. Best, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 11:27, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for starting a thread on article talk @Cristiano Tomás:, I have clarified some of my concerns over there and added a few examples of more encyclopedic information. We can focus the discussion on article talk, if you agree - I have that page watchlisted. Appreciate the constructive discussion and hope we can work on further improving the article together. As a quick additional tip: if you are looking for examples of fully developed articles, I recommend to look for good articles or even featured articles. Most of them have pretty high standards and have been reviewed thoroughly. Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 12:01, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Just wanted to say thanks for being really cooperative! I think the article is fine now (also not very interested in expanding it anymore as I'm unsure if its worth it haha), but I really appreciate your willingness to work together, it's a quality lost on many other seasoned editors, so keep it up. All the best & cheers, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 19:38, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for starting a thread on article talk @Cristiano Tomás:, I have clarified some of my concerns over there and added a few examples of more encyclopedic information. We can focus the discussion on article talk, if you agree - I have that page watchlisted. Appreciate the constructive discussion and hope we can work on further improving the article together. As a quick additional tip: if you are looking for examples of fully developed articles, I recommend to look for good articles or even featured articles. Most of them have pretty high standards and have been reviewed thoroughly. Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 12:01, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
- Update, just noticed you removed everything, but I ask you reconsider now based off of these points. Best, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 11:27, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- All wikis now have the TemplateWizard for the wikitext editor.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 April. It will be on all wikis from 18 April (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 17 April at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Wikidata will get a new constraint status called
suggestion. This will change how theWikibaseQualityConstraintsconstraint checking API works. [19][20] - You can test the
depictsproperty for structured data on Commons.
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23:00, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
I suggest you add a note at the top of the list to alert editors about the apparent rule for this list (that a sourced Wikipedia article on the developer needs to exist) to prevent editors from wasting their time.--Philologia 21:58, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
- Hello @Philologia Sæculārēs:, thank you for the feedback. The intro sentence is linked to Wikipedia's notability guideline, but I will try to make the situation a bit clearer to avoid misunderstandings (that link is likely to be missed by good-faith editors). GermanJoe (talk) 12:44, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I see that you have been editing this article (and trying to remove spam or marketing buzzspeak from it. Please see the deletion discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:21, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
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Recent changes
- The advanced search function URL now shows which namespaces you search in. The namespace field is collapsed by default on the search page. You can also add new fields to the search interface through a hook. [21][22][23]
- The wikis now look slightly different in the mobile web version. [24]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 April at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Wikipedia articles will have the
sameAsmeta property. It adds structured data. This makes it easier for search engines to find Wikipedia articles. It also makes it easier to reuse content. There will an A/B test. [25][26]
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19:08, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
Question about COI - Vocal Europe
Hello GermanJoe I no longer have an affiliation with Vocal Europe nor am I being paid to write the wikipedia article. I just want to help in any way I can to create a wikipedia page on Vocal Europe. There is no conflict of interest. What should I do next? I truly don't want to ruin Wikipedia's standards. Thank you for you help Sirbobgroome (talk) 12:58, 24 April 2019 (UTC)Sirbobgroome
- Hello @Sirbobgroome:, thank you for the clarification. Without a conflict of interest, you can edit and develop the article in mainspace of course (although a draft with AfC review is usually the better approach for new editors). But I would also consider the feedback from other editors at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vocal Europe: you need multiple independent sources with significant coverage directly about the organization itself. Passing mentions generally do not count or add only little to "notability" as Wikipedia defines the term (see WP:GNG).
- Depending on the outcome of the deletion discussion (in a week or 2), the article might get deleted unless you can provide more substantial sources as evidence for notability (a draft page has usually a bit more leeway and editors are given more time in this regard). You are welcome to join the linked discussion to provide such evidence. Even if the article is deleted, you can create a new draft at a later time when new more substantial sources become available. If you have any questions about Wikipedia editing and processes, please feel free to ask me or post at WP:Teahouse anytime. It is a forum for new editors and volunteers there will be glad to help. GermanJoe (talk) 13:21, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you GermanJoe. This advice is excellent and very kind of you. I will continue to find more respected sources and try defend the deletion. Thank you for your help and time.Sirbobgroome (talk) 13:37, 24 April 2019 (UTC)Sirbobgroome
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Recent changes
- The Wikipedia app for Android now invites users to add Wikidata descriptions to Wikidata objects that have Wikipedia articles but no Wikidata descriptions. It will only invite users who have added a number of Wikidata descriptions in the app without being reverted. This is to avoid spam and bad edits. [27][28]
Problems
- Tech News was late last week because of a MassMessage bug. Other newsletters had the same problem. [29]
Changes later this week
- You will see when you last refreshed the recent changes page. This is so you can see how recent the changes are. [30]
- When you write a comment in Structured Discussions but have not posted it yet your web browser will save it in
local storageinstead ofsession storage. This means you do not lose them even if you close your web browser. Structured Discussions used to be called Flow. [31] - You will be able to turn off milestone notifications. Milestone notifications congratulate you when you have made certain numbers of edits. [32]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 May. It will be on all wikis from 2 May (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 1 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The Wikidata
wb_termstable will be dropped. This will affect some Wikidata tools. They need to be updated. The table has become too big which is causing problems. This will happen on 29 May. You can read more. You can ask for help if you need it. - Wikimedia wikis will soon use a token when you log out. This changes how the API works. Some tools might need to be updated. [33]
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22:27, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you GermanJoe for your recent comments. I agree with your position.
Having said, I still believe that the Text annotation page in particular should talk about the focus of text annotation tools as creators of annotations for Machine Learning / AI models. Particular links to products can be indeed omitted.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Juan Miguel Cejuela (talk • contribs) 20:21, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
- Hello @Juan Miguel Cejuela:, thank you for your understanding. Contributions from topic experts are of course welcome, but please base your edits on uninvolved non-promotional expert publications whereever possible. If you need to use your own publications or affiliated sources as references, or if you want to write about aspects where you have a conflict of interest, please suggest such edits on the article's talkpage instead of editing the article yourself. More details and better-explained advice is available at WP:COI (but please feel free to ask me or at WP:Teahouse if you have additional questions). Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 19:31, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
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Problems
- Special:Watchlist can show the wrong information. It does not always show which edits are read and which are unread. The developers are working on solving the problem. [34]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 May. It will be on all wikis from 9 May (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 8 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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16:27, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Reversal of reference to newly-published book
Ritual apologies if I'm doing this Talk-thing wrong.
Edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deeper_learning&oldid=895768933 reversed addition of reference to just-published book from Harvard University Press, reporting results of study evaluating schools that attempt to promote Deeper Learning.
Reversal note alleges that reversed reference was inappropriate "annouce/promote new publications or to advocate external projects". How could reference have been better worded, to be clearly statement that work exists, with no intention to promote that work? Or, alternatively, how long ago must book have been published, to make reference to book not be considered "annouce/promote"?
Existing references to books from other publishers, also reporting results of studies evaluating schools that attempt to promote Deeper Learning, were not reversed. Seeming implication is that work published by e.g. American Institutes for Research is to be considered more reliable than work published by Harvard University Press?
Monty669 (talk) 14:57, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Hello @Monty669:, Wikipedia is not a comprehensive directory of literature, especially when this literature is trying to "promote Deeper Learning" as you mentioned. Significant major works for a given topic can be listed in a "Further reading" section, provided they are significant (i.e. they have been discussed by other peers and publications) and provide substantial unbiased information about the topic. A new work just published 1 month ago fails the first criterion, and a biased work by involved authors with an agenda to popularize certain viewpoints fails the second. Wikipedia is no platform for any advocacy, even by academic institutions.
- To your second point: maybe other used works have similar flaws, that's possibly a valid concern - I haven't checked every usage. Unfortunately Wikipedia is often (mis)used by authors and organizations to popularize their own publications, especially when the article covers a new development or commercial topic. But such existing flaws do not justify the addition of yet more problems (see also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). The article should be improved by using as many uninvolved sources as possible, and by using involved sources as rarely as possible (and only for uncontroversial facts).
- On a closer look, there is really a ton of self-promotional fluff in the article - thank you for pointing this out. I have trimmed a good amount where organizations and publications just write about themselves without providing substantial information about "Deeper learning". Secondary details should only be briefly mentioned in due weight while focussing on the primary topic. GermanJoe (talk) 15:20, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Not buyin' it. To me, selection of additional material excised from article seems arbitrary and capricious. However, this edit-war has passed point of diminishing returns. Perhaps some less-biased third party will intervene.
- I also find offensive implication that I am "involved" and "self-promotional". My only contact with book I referenced is as reader.Monty669 (talk) 16:37, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Please feel free to ask other experienced editors for additional feedback. Considering your spurious and unfounded allegations about my intentions (my only intention for all topics is to improve them and/or to fix observed problems), I fully agree with one point though: further discussion here on my user talkpage is pointless. Please post further content-related comments on article talk or on appropriate other forums to discuss such issues. Thank you. GermanJoe (talk) 17:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLVII, May 2019
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Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 May. It will be on all wikis from 16 May (calendar).
Meetings
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00:48, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
R1Soft ref in "Backup" and "Continuous Data Protection" articles
If you meant that was not a RS because R1Soft is not a true CDP backup application that requires a virtual machine, thank you for spotting it. Reading the Windows tab on the page I had linked to, I could have sworn it meant R1Soft required a VM. After reading other R1Soft pages, I see now it is really a near-CDP backup application—which means I wouldn't want to use it as a ref for that sentence.
If you meant something else, please tell me what the problem with the link was on my personal Talk page. However if you meant that the R1Soft page was a marketing source, I thought it was a software requirements statement which was all I needed for my purposes—and I don't have any connection with R1Soft (someone had previously listed it under "See also"). DovidBenAvraham (talk) 08:12, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I see now you also removed the ref from the "Enterprise client-server backup" article. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 08:32, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Hello @DovidBenAvraham:, I probably should have phrased the edit summary a bit clearer - sorry for the confusion. Aside from the source's self-published and promotional nature (such sources are not prohibited but discouraged), there is another issue I should have mentioned more clearly: the source doesn't actually verify the statement
"true CDP backup must in practice be run in conjunction with a virtual machine"
. System requirements for 1 specific application do not verify a claim about the technology in general (please see WP:SYNTH about why this approach cannot be used for encyclopedic facts). You should not use sources that do not explicitly verify the encyclopedic information (explicitly = without additional analysis and synthesis). Aside from these concerns, the article statement already has 2 other references for verification. That's usually sufficient even for complex claims - so the problematic source is not really needed anyway. GermanJoe (talk) 18:55, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- The first sentence in the first paragraph of the "Continuous vs near continuous" section of the "Continuous Data Protection" article quotes the 1989 patent as follows: "backup write operations are executed at the level of the basic input/output system (BIOS) of the microcomputer in such a manner that normal use of the computer is unaffected." From that it should be pretty obvious to anyone with even a high-school Advanced Placement course in programming that "true CDP" backup applications must get their "fingers" into an OS filesystem at the level where actual disk writes take place. If you can think of a way they can do so other than by either requiring that the OS be run inside a virtual machine so that they can get their "fingers" into the VM, or by requiring that special disk driver software with built-in "fingers" be installed, please let me know—but this and the preceding sentence might be considered WP:OR. So the best I can do is to reference every "true CDP" backup application I can find, and show that they follow either one approach or the other. As I said in my section-starting comment, I thought R1Soft was such an application, but careful checking now reveals that it is a "near-CDP" application. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 21:05, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- I can only recommend again to carefully read WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Whether these conclusions are "pretty obvious" or not is irrelevant. All forms of analysis must be sourced to reliable secondary sources explicitly verifying such an analysis. Your own analysis of primary sources (such as patents) or the synthetical usage of multiple secondary sources are not sufficient for verification. If these conclusions are obvious as you say, it should be possible to find a secondary source explicitly verifying them. Original research of any kind - however likely correct or logical it may be - is not permitted for Wikipedia articles. Anyway, I believe repeating the same arguments again in a 1:1 discussion isn't helpful. Please refer to the linked guidelines, or use an article talkpage or policy forum for further clarification if you like. Aside from the general disagreement about original research, I believe we both agree that the specific R1Soft source is problematic and not needed in this context. So this aspect atleast should be resolved now. Thank you. GermanJoe (talk) 22:02, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- The only problem with applying standard Wikipedical doctrine is that there appear to be no secondary sources on the subject. I've done a Google search on "continuous data protection", and all Web pages discussing the subject (other than commercial blurbs) copy this article. The article was created at 19:11, 9 June 2005 with the same defining lead sentence—except for some synonyms added later—it has now. The patent mention was added to the first paragraph of the article lead at 17:21, 23 March 2013 by 50.148.186.61 (talk · contribs). IMHO that means that true CDP is whatever Pete Malcolm stated it was in the 1989 patent application. I haven't done any "analysis" of the patent application, I've simply quoted it. If you think this article should be deleted after so many years, I'm sure you know the procedure.
- You may be wondering why I've added a number of quotes of references to this article, after I re-established it at 01:40, 20 June 2019. The reason I had to re-establish it is that someone I am referring to here only as the particular other editor merged it—without any prior or subsequent discussion—into the "Backup" article at 20:10, 21 May 2019. You can read the ensuing RfC—my third attempt to create one using sufficiently neutral wording—here. IMHO the underlying problem is that the particular other editor evidently can't read technical English at a senior-high-school level (possibly as a result of his apparent sub-culture—see his personal Talk page comments and contributions list, in which boys past the age of 13 are educated—without any math or science classes—almost entirely in a non-modern European language). The article before the merger discussed the distinction between "true CDP" and "near-CDP", but his edits after the merger deleted much of the merged-in text including any mention of "near-CDP". When I re-established this article I added many of his new references, but quoted them because of his apparent inability to read his own references. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 04:41, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- In case it's not clear, underlying this is a terminology confusion within the community of backup application developers and users. Back in 1989, Pete Malcolm appears to have been the person who had the concept of "Continuous Data Protection"—and he patented the "true CDP" basic method but didn't copyright the term. Then around 2007 Apple (probably originating with Steve Jobs himself) had the idea of "near-CDP" and the realization that it would get a lot of ordinary computer users to start backing up their HDDs. Time Machine was cleverly designed not to put too much of a burden on ordinary users' computers, but the introduction of snapshots into Windows and Linux made "near-CDP" running at intervals less than one hour feasible. The developers of many proprietary backup applications hijacked the term "CDP", which is why I recently was compelled to introduce a Note for the column heading in this list. Does "continuous" mean you are backing up disk writes the instant they occur, or does it mean you are continuously running a process that backs up disk writes every few minutes? DovidBenAvraham (talk) 20:46, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- As already requested above, please use the article talkpage (or other venues of dispute resolution) for further comments about the recent article-related content dispute. I was mostly interested in the quality and usage of one particular source, and consider this minor aspect of the discussion to be resolved and closed. Please take my comments about the importance of avoiding original research as friendly advice about a core policy that applies for all Wikipedia content, but I don't want to be dragged deeper into this specific dispute. Thank you for your consideration. GermanJoe (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- user:zazpot commented on the article's Talk page at 10:15, 5 April 2010 (UTC) "It would be good to have a section discussing real-world implementations of CDP: which companies provide such a service, which tools they use to provide it, etc." User:Hajecate added a "See also" WP link for R1Soft Continuous Data Protection (which has since turned red because Idera, Inc. absorbed R1Soft in 2012) at 16:48, 11 June 2010. I originally relied on that link as vouching for my reference. So nobody objected to using that "real-world implementation of CDP" for 9 years; your edit simply impelled me to discover the application is an implementation of "near-CDP" rather than "true CDP". I commented further mainly to point out that the Wikipedical doctrine requiring second-party sources to verify the claims of first-party sources doesn't work well when there aren't any reviews of certain types of software. If you're going to eliminate such refs you're going to be a busy editor, since the doctrine only seems to have been formulated around 2015 (User:JohnInDC pointed it out to me about 3 years ago). I'll leave you to your burdensome and thankless task. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 01:48, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The report for phase 1 of the talk pages consultation 2019 has been published. Communities are invited to start phase 2 of the consultation on their wikis.
Problems
- File descriptions for files from Commons were not shown properly on other Wikimedia wikis for a few days. For example the image descriptions and license information were missing. This has now been fixed. [35][36]
- Some diffs show an error message when you try to see them. The developers are working on fixing it. It could be because of some edit comments. [37][38]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 May. It will be on all wikis from 23 May (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 22 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- The content translation tool on Wikipedia can use machine translations. There is a system to stop translations where the editors do not fix machine translation mistakes. This warns or stops them if they seem to just copy what the machine translation gives them. If this system is too strict or not strict enough you can tell the language team. [39]
- The Wikidata
wbeditentityAPI endpoint will remove all aliases if the request includes an empty alias. This is how it supposed to work. It has not been working this way because of a bug. This will start on 12 June. [40]
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13:03, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- Big changes to the replica database will happen on 3 June. Some tools on Cloud Services will stop working if the maintainers do not update them to use the new schema. This probably affects tools that query for revisions or log entries made by a user. [41][42]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 28 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 29 May. It will be on all wikis from 30 May (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 29 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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15:33, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can now write all special letters in all African Wikipedia languages. This works in the desktop version. [43]
- There is now a field called
depictson Commons. This is a way to show what is in a picture with the help of Wikidata. It is still in development. [44] - Some tools on Toolforge may break on or after 3 June because of database changes. Maintainers should update their tools to use the new schema. [45][46]
Problems
- You will be able to read but not to edit Wikimedia Commons for 30 minutes on 19 June at 05:00 (UTC). This is to fix a hardware problem. [47]
Changes later this week
- Some wikis have one tab for the visual editor and one tab for a wikitext editor. Others wikis just have one tab. If your wiki has two tabs, clicking a link to create a new page has always opened a wikitext editor. It will now open the editor you used the last time you edited. [48]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 May. It will be on all wikis from 6 May (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 5 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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15:24, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- When you create a PDF from a page on the wiki this is now done by Proton. Before this we used Electron. It should look the same but work better. Both use Chromium. This is a different system from when you collect several articles into a book and make a PDF from them. [49][50]
- The Flagged Revisions extension now uses the standard OOUI icons. There will be additional minor fixes for positioning in the next deployment. [51]
- Bots and other scripts that do not set an identifiable User-Agent may find their requests strictly rate-limited until they identify themselves properly. [52]
Problems
- Please check if the Flagged Revisions configuration on your wiki is as you expect (or as it was a few weeks ago). If not, please report it. [53]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 12 June at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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17:06, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Question regarding Wikidata link between en-Wiki and de-Wiki. Kept in German for convenience. GermanJoe (talk) 20:07, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Ich habe gesehen, dass du im Artikel Market garden zuletzt editiert hast, und dass du Deutsch sprichst. Damit bist du mein erster Ansprechpartner. Der Artikel Market garden ist über Interwikilinks mit dem Artikel de:Nutzgarten verbunden. Das macht keinen Sinn, denn "Nutzgarten" (Selbstversorgung) ist so ziemlich das Gegenteil von "Market garden" (Verkauf der Produkte). Ich habe versucht, das zu entfernen, aber es gelang mir nicht. Kannst du mir weiterhelfen? --Rennrigor (talk) 19:16, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- Hallo @Rennrigor:, von der rein technischen Seite wäre das kein Problem. Diese Links werden in Wikidata vorgehalten und editiert (ein "Wikidata" Link sollte irgendwo unter "Tools" auf der Artikel-Seite zu finden sein - die direkte URL ist https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q143970, jeder kann dort ähnlich wie in Wikipedia konstruktiv editieren).
- Aber vom inhaltlichen her bin ich mir nicht ganz sicher: Du hast natürlich recht, das die Themen unterschiedliche Schwerpunkte und Definitionen haben. Aber trotzdem gibt es einige inhaltliche Schnittmengen und die Begriffe sind zumindest verwandt. Über Wikidata verlinkte Themen zwischen unterschiedlich strukturierten Wikipedias können nicht immer absolut analog sein um perfekte 1:1 Verbindungen zu ermöglichen, manchmal führt so ein Link auch "nur" zu einem eng verwandten Thema.
- Du kannst das Problem mit dieser ungenauen Verlinking gerne auch auf Talk:Market garden (oder auf de-Wiki) ansprechen, um Feedback von anderen Editoren zu bekommen. Bitte poste solche Meldungen aber, falls irgend möglich, auf en-Wiki in Englisch. GermanJoe (talk) 20:07, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- Ich habe das schon so versucht, wie du es beschrieben hast. Dabei bekomme ich aber die Fehlermeldung, dass das nicht geht, weil man einen Interwikilink nur löschen kann, wenn die entsprechende lokale Seite gelöscht oder verschoben wurde. Die Idee hinter dem ganzen ist, dass in der de-WP ein Artikel de:Marktgarten entstehen soll, weil eben "Market garden" und "Nutzgarten" zwar Ähnlichkeiten aufweisen, aber grundsätzlich grundverschiedene Dinge sind. --Rennrigor (talk) 21:14, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Rennrigor: OK, das mit dem geplanten neuen Artikel in de-Wiki war nicht klar. Wahrscheinlich wäre es dann am besten erstmal einen kleinen "Marktgarten"-Artikel mit Quellen auf de-Wiki zu schreiben, und das Thema dort sauber von anderen verwandten Themen zu differenzieren. Solange sollte der nicht perfekte Link aber meines Erachtens bestehen bleiben. Besser ein ungenauer Link als gar kein Link :). GermanJoe (talk) 21:53, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- Ok. Auf Talk:Market garden habe ich trotzdem schon mal angesprochen. Danke für deine Hinweise. --Rennrigor (talk) 21:55, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
- @Rennrigor: OK, das mit dem geplanten neuen Artikel in de-Wiki war nicht klar. Wahrscheinlich wäre es dann am besten erstmal einen kleinen "Marktgarten"-Artikel mit Quellen auf de-Wiki zu schreiben, und das Thema dort sauber von anderen verwandten Themen zu differenzieren. Solange sollte der nicht perfekte Link aber meines Erachtens bestehen bleiben. Besser ein ungenauer Link als gar kein Link :). GermanJoe (talk) 21:53, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue CLVIII, June 2019
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Edits to Mixed Reality
Apologies if I'm contacting you the wrong way via this talk page. Just wanted to explain the issue at hand.
With respect to the image added 6/15/19 which you eliminated as redundant. First, I agree that the caption was redundant. My bad. I was intending to just give a historical reference to support this image. While the caption was not needed, the image itself does not seem redundant. The issue is this: currently there is no image on the Mixed Reality page that actually shows mixed reality.
The main image is pretty far off: Mixed_reality#/media/File:Mrfops.jpg as it does not depict mixed reality. It just shows standard Virtual Reality, and not even a good example of that. Mixed reality combines real and virtual. That is I recommended this image: Augmented_reality#/media/File:Virtual-Fixtures-USAF-AR.jpg If you have a better image that shows real and virtual mixed reality, that is fine. You should insert that. But currently it seems to me like a mistake to have a Mixed Reality page with no images on the page that depict the core concept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.215.3.62 (talk) 20:18, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
- Hello, thank you for asking about this disputed edit. I agree with you, that the current image is not ideal. But the new image is already used in 5 or more other articles (in various file versions). Using it again and again gives undue weight to 1 researcher and his work. While significant, he certainly is not the only researcher and developer in this topic area. I would suggest to keep the sub-optimal long-standing image for now, but to look for another MR-related image to replace it. It's not an urgent issue (imo) and Wikipedia has no deadlines, but an improvement of the image would be nice. A last quick tip: if you have article-related concerns or suggestions, the best place for discussions is usually the article's talkpage at Talk:article name. GermanJoe (talk) 20:39, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- You will be able to read but not to edit Wikimedia Commons for 30 minutes on 19 June at 05:00 (UTC). This is to fix a hardware problem. [54]
Changes later this week
- MIDI files can soon be played without the Score extension. You can then add them with
[[File:Filename.midi]]. Lateroverride_midiandoverride_audiowill stop working. Instead you will need to add the MIDI file below the music score. [55] - A new video player will soon replace the old one. You will be able to enable it as a beta feature in your preferences. It will later be enabled for everyone if there are no big problems. [56]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 June. It will be on all wikis from 20 June (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 19 June at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Some gadgets and user scripts still use the old
wgEnableAPIandwgEnableWriteAPIvalues. These values are always true. They will soon be removed. This might break the gadgets and scripts. You should fix your gadgets to not use these values. [57]
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20:37, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- The new version of MediaWiki for last week was not fully released due to issues. It was removed from most wikis on Tuesday and from test wikis on Thursday. [58]
- Most wikis were slow and then briefly read-only last week due to one of the database servers having a problem. It is now replaced. [59]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 June. It will be on all wikis from 27 June (calendar).
Meetings
- You can watch or join the next Wikimedia Language showcase. It will be about the usage of Machine Translation in Wikimedia projects. The showcase will be on 26 June at 13:00 (UTC). A recording will be kept for later viewing
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 26 June at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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17:29, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Task management software comparison chart
Sorry this is my first attempt at an edit. I don't have any relationships with the software vendors I added to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_management. I had emailed various vendors to provide a nice chart comparing their software to others and none of them had a chart to help me decide what task management software was for me. I left it as incomplete hoping that others would hop on to add additional information. --Rgeoghan (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- Hello @Rgeoghan:, thank you for the clarification. Such technical comparisons should be based on independent sources and focus on notable products (with an existing Wikipedia article). Such lists are generally very difficult to create and maintain - partly due to lack of independent sources, partly due to information becoming outdated over time. A lot of "comparisons" created 7-10 years ago are simply no longer useful, actual or reliable. Also, as an encyclopedic project Wikipedia is not really supposed to serve as product guide for customers. For these reasons I'd recommend against creating a technical comparison as your first major contribution. On the other hand, a lot of articles about IT-related topics need additional independent references and sourced updates from knowledgeable editors if you'd like to give Wikipedia-editing a try in your area of interest. Please feel free to ask me or at WP:Teahouse, if you have any further questions. Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 18:47, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Some baklava for you!
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Thank you! Lewistheeditor (talk) 23:42, 24 June 2019 (UTC) |
Exception to removal of comments
I removed the comments legit, due to their bad faith carrying on attempts by editors to carry on a legal (court) fight removing the university from any display as explained in both edit summaries. Please remove the AfD nomination as well for this reason as I can't. Thanks. 2001:8003:594A:6800:E548:78F9:A5F7:C787 (talk) 22:59, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- Your removal of another editor's message based on mere allegations without clear and verifiable evidence is absolutely inappropriate (see also WP:TPG). And even if the request was made in error (no stance either way), you should not delete such messages. Of course you are welcome to respond to allegedly wrong messages in a civil manner to point out perceived problems. Anyway, I'll let other editors or an admin handle further steps to resolve this. And no, I will certainly not remove the nomination based on your unverified assumption about the other editor's motives. GermanJoe (talk) 23:07, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
- Look at the history of the edits on the articles and you'll think again I would state! 2001:8003:594A:6800:E548:78F9:A5F7:C787 (talk) 23:46, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The development of Wikidata Bridge has started. The goal is to allow Wikidata edits from Wikipedia. [60]
Problems
- Sometimes pages load slowly for users routed to the Amsterdam data center. Investigation is in progress. [61]
- Wikidata query service was overloaded between 11:50 UTC until 13:15 UTC on June 24. It has been fixed. [62]
Changes later this week
- You will be able to read but not to edit all wikis for a short amount of time, on 3 July at 06:00 (UTC). This is to move a database. [63]
- There is no deployment of a new version of MediaWiki on the wikis this week (calendar).
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 3 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
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21:22, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Hey GermanJoe,
Thank you for your message regarding the nature of my edit on the applications of virtual reality. I have no bias opinion on the matter and am just trying to help fill out the lead paragraph. After reading over the edit I can see how the first 2 sentences may come across as making VR seem potenitally better than it is. I'm curious, is this the reason you took my edits down? If so, I understand and will try to rewrite the first 2 sentences or take them out. Please let me know, as this is my first interaction with someone not agreeing with my edits. thank you (talk) 18:20, 2 July 2019 (UTC) User:JaySantarossa
- Hello @JaySantarossa:, thank you for your interest in improving this article (I have moved your question in a new thread down - new threads generally should be added at the bottom of talkpages). Regarding your question: yes, the main concern was certainly the section's non-neutral, slightly promotional tone as mentioned in my first edit summary. I hope you don't mind a few additional quick tips regarding editing in general and lead changes in particular:
- The tone should be completely dispassionate and uninvolved. Try to focus on "dry" objective facts and avoid any subjective assessments and qualifiers - especially in the lead section.
- If you need to include a subjective assessment to provide some context (occasionally), such an edit must be sourced and attributed to a high-quality expert source.
- The lead section should only summarize what is already in the article's main body. Generally speaking, you should try to avoid introducing new facts and aspects that are not already covered further down in more detail. You'll find a detailed guideline about editing lead sections at MOS:LEAD.
- Usually you don't need sources in the lead for common summary information that is already sourced in the main body. But you should source quotations, possibly controversial statements and extraordinary claims in the lead.
- I hope these tips are helpful, but please feel free to ask anytime if something is unclear (WP:Teahouse is also a good forum for advice). Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 18:36, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
"conflict of interest"
Hey GermanJoe,
Is this where I discuss issues? I would like to understand more about why you deleted mt edit on applications of virtual reality. Please let me know.--Jay Santarossa (talk) 18:38, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi GermanJoe, I understand the reason why you left the conflict of interest message on my page, maybe I was not be just clarify in my edit. This is my first change on Wikipedia, but only be just clarify I do not in any way represent or work with the people behind the distribution I written on in the page Arch Linux!! I helped to contribute to the page, because this information about is missing! I will change the section again, feel free to edit the description or make it more solid. If there's anything else, feel free to reach out. Best --Chrepl (talk) 17:46, 19 May 2019 (UTC)chrepl
- Hello @Chrepl:, thank you for clarifying that you have no conflict of interest. As you probably assumed, the notice was meant as an info "just in case" and non-COI editors can safely ignore it. But regarding the removed article edit: please do not restore it. Entries in such Wikipedia lists are usually limited to "notable" topics (in Wikipedia's sense of the term). Simply put, entries should usually have a Wikipedia article written first before they are added to related lists. These lists are not supposed to be 100 percent comprehensive, but should only include major notable entries (from an encyclopedic PoV) - to avoid bloating the list with minor and secondary entries. More information about list inclusion and other list usages is available at WP:CSC. The definition of "notability" is described at WP:GNG.
- Please feel free to ask me if you have any further questions, or you can post at WP:Teahouse (a good forum for new editors). I'll also post some generic basic links with further info on your user talkpage. Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 18:20, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Hi @GermanJoe: thanks for your clearly answer and providing me more information. I understood. I didn't know about that Wikipedia articles should be written first before they are added to related lists. Thanks for the further info. Maybe a stupid question, but if I have any further questions so I should write it on the talk page or give it any possible private talk? Best regards. Chrepl (talk) 18:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Chrepl: Almost all conversation is held on public talkpages like these, so feel free to start a new thread here (or at Teahouse) if you have any question. If you have a specific suggestion or concern about article content though, the article's associated talkpage at
Talk:article name heremight be the better place for content-related discussions - so other editors interested in the same article can join in. GermanJoe (talk) 19:32, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Chrepl: Almost all conversation is held on public talkpages like these, so feel free to start a new thread here (or at Teahouse) if you have any question. If you have a specific suggestion or concern about article content though, the article's associated talkpage at
Regarding link insertion
Hello,
Why you always remove links from Wikipedia? ? There are many links which are not that much useful still you all keep it in as a reference link or external link.
I am also providing useful information to the readers. I don't want to do spam.
Kindly check my all links they all are useful. I will never provide a spam link to Wikipedia and readers.
Thank you! ! Sukriti maurya (talk) 18:39, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Hello @Sukriti maurya:. Personal blogs and advertising sites are not reliable sources for Wikipedia. Please read WP:EL and WP:RS for more information. Frankly, any kind of promotional or SEO activity is prohibited here. You are very welcome to provide relevant encyclopedic information based on independent reliable sources, published by acknowledged media and experts. But all further link additions to self-published blogs (for example the use***tips.com websites) or other advertising sites will get reverted. Repeatedly spammed domains will get blacklisted. If you need further advice about editing on Wikipedia, please feel free to ask at WP:Teahouse, a forum for new editors. GermanJoe (talk) 19:15, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
"Gartner's syndicated pseudo research is insufficient for notability"
Hello GermanJoe,
when I reached the page Price Optimization, I found a list of solution without any reference to support it (they are not university research study on this subject). So I used Gartner study because it is the benchmark on a lot of business subject. So, how can I proceed to update this list which is not up to date regarding existing offers on pricing solution ? Could we set a warning among the reference to Gartner study ?
Best regards, Forvalaka (talk) 12:38, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Hello @Forvalaka:, entries in this particular list should be "notable" (in Wikipedia's sense of the term). Notable companies or products either have a sourced Wikipedia article, or should have at least an independent source with some coverage. The latter criterion excludes simple listings, passing mentions and PR coverage. Gartner reports are often presented in an uncritical, promotional manner to hype such technologies and products. Just to be clear, these reports are not unreliable for basic information, but they are a poor indicator for objective notability (many of the listed companies have almost no other press coverage aside from Gartner). I would recommend to look for additional articles in other reputed trade magazines or news media instead, that specifially focus on a company or application in some detail. You'll find detailed information about Wikipedia's concept of "notability" at WP:GNG. Hope this helps, but please feel free to ask if you have further questions. Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 14:58, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Hello @GermanJoe:, thx for your explanation, take care.
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- For event organizers, if you request a temporary lift of the IP cap for mass account creation, this will now also raise the edit rate limit for those new accounts at the event, which will prevent another bottleneck. [64]
- Administrators at all Wiktionary, Wikivoyage, and Wikisource wikis are now able to use the new partial blocks feature. [65]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 July. It will be on all wikis from 11 July (calendar).
- The design of MediaWiki's software windows will change for desktop users. Layout will be simpler, buttons will be bolder and clearer, and close buttons will be just icons. This is like the mobile design. This will affect ContentTranslation, VisualEditor, TemplateWizard, and other tools. [66]
Meetings
- You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 10 July at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
- Wikidata will be in read-only mode on 30 July from 05:00 to 05:30 UTC because of a server switch. [67]
- There will be a change in the name format of new Wikidata RDF dumps starting on 15 July. [68]
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The Bugle: Issue CLIX, July 2019
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If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 12:00, 14 July 2019 (UTC)