User talk:Geraldo Perez/Archive 23
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This BLP could probably use a few more eyes on it. Despite the Variety article saying it, nothing on-screen has ever confirmed that her character is "Cindy Moon", and her "role" in Infinity Wars is negligible. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:16, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
- Still having problems here – IP editor won't WP:DROPTHESTICK. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:51, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
A new decade begins
I'm a day late, but...
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MMXX Lunar Calendar
Have a great 2020 and thanks for your continued contributions to Wikipedia.
– 2020 is a leap year – news article.
– Background color is Classic Blue (#0F4C81), Pantone's 2020 Color of the year
– Amaury • 19:48, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Is this a "standalone" TV movie? Or is it just an extended episode of iCarly?... Asking because it's listed separately at Jerry Trainor, but if it's just an iCarly "episode", it shouldn't be. TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:12, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: According to the article which is supported by IMDb it was first marketed as a movie. From the sourced production codes it is apparent that the TV series production team used 3 production slots to create it and it was not created as a movie, just basically another long episode special that they decided to call a TV movie. We are treating it both as an episode of iCarly and as a movie. I think it is redundant to list it in actor articles separate from the series, it really is part of the series. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:27, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Double-check?
Geraldo, could you please check this edit? We've had problems with someone (an IP, I think) adding "Mondo" to a bunch of series, and I want to make sure this isn't happening again. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:39, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Looks OK, reference seems to check out. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:14, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
Is this defining? Amaury • 15:11, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Amaury: Normally how a person registers to vote is not notable or defining. Political party categories generally apply to politicians. However Rush is politically active in Democrat activities and has self identified as such and has a significant chunk in his article talking about it so it goes beyond the trite observation that an actor votes Democrat and occasionally contributes money. I objected to saying he was a Texas Democrat as I see no indication that is his voting residence or that he restricts his activities to Texas. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:25, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
Hello
Pixar's onward just got a new actor Wilmer Valderrama. https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2020/01/14/moving-onward-the-personal-story-behind-the-disney-pixar-upcoming-feature/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.238.29.22 (talk) 17:16, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
List of 20th Century Fox films (2000-present)
Hey, Mr. Perez. So, I need your help with the Wikipedia article List of 20th Century Fox films (2000-present), and I accidentally messed the page up (the Upcoming Films section and everything after it is now within the 2020s section) and I need your help fixing it. Can you help me with it? Thanks. MTheWho06 (talk) 00:46, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Carlos Alazraqui article
Hi! Can you fix up the Carlos Alazraqui article, please? It has a lot of incorrect information on the voices section such as doing voices on cartoons he never had any involvement with (examples include Tiny Toon Adventures, Animaniacs, Arthur, ect.) I know very well that he had nothing to do with those cartoons. 2605:E000:121D:8BF5:149E:420B:BB29:BEF2 (talk) 01:38, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
This has recently been moved into mainspace, and needs more eyes on it, to prevent more "fanish" editors from straying from a proper article. Pinging Amaury as well. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:04, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Amaury: Still would like more eyes on this one – this is one of those articles that's attracting a lot of "junk" editing and sourcing. TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:23, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
I need back up here, from IP who seems to be disruptively changing cast contrary to crediting/WP:TVCAST, and will not follow WP:BRD or discuss on Talk page. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:45, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
- IP is still not providing hard proof for their claims, so I think they should be reverted until they do. I've left a message on their Talk page about this – if they produce a link to the opening credits, then fine. But I am quite sure they have the order of the credits wrong regardless: for example, I am nearly positive that Hudson Leick didn't get top billing (this was before her stint on Xena when she was still a relative unknown), and that Alexandra Wilson (who was far better known at the time) did. So I don't trust this IP's claims, and they've furnished no proof. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
- Looks like the issue is resolved – the IP finally provided a link for the credits (which were alphabetical): [1]. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:04, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
I'd definitely like you to take a look (and keep an eye) on this one – we have an IP disruptively making edits that are likely contrary to WP:BLPLEAD vis a vis nationality. If you think the current lede is insufficient, please feel free to edit it. But what the IP is doing is just wrong... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:23, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: All her credits were when she was living and working in the US so the context portion of the lead should really just say American actress. She moved to the US when she was 4 per the article so basically Spanish and Australian background not relevant to her notable activities as previous nationalities and should just be mentioned in biography section. Don't need citizenship and nationality in infobox either, means same thing usually and definitely do in US. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:31, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'd rather you make any changes, as an objective third party. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:40, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Natalie Alyn Lind / Emily Alyn Lind
Hello! You declined my edits since you said it was "unreferenced/poorly referenced info." I work for their agent Matt Smith (that information can be found on IMDBpro), therefore I have all of their personal documents on file and know their correct birthdays. There are other websites that are incorrect (see THEFAMOUSPEOPLE.com) which is maybe why you assumed my edits were poorly referenced. I am trying to fix their birth dates since it's effecting acting jobs they get. Please let me know if you need more info.
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.75.7.6 (talk) 01:41, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- See last message on your talk page about conflict of interest. Also we cannot take anyone's word for being an authority, everything and particularly biographic information must be well sourced and verifiable so that anyone can check the information. There is a lot of vandalism on birth dates so we need references from reliable sources that any editor can check. See WP:BLPPRIVACY for more about birth information. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Ok, I have no idea how to use this set up but here is my response (sorry if I did this wrong): I did find a source that has Emily's birthday/year correct. It is from FamousBirthdays.com, but this site won't let me link it because the site is registered on Wikipedia's blacklist? Does this count as a referenceable source then or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.75.7.6 (talk) 02:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- No, it is an unreliable source which is why it is blacklisted. A reliable source that can be used and that does meet WP:PRIVACY is a statement a person makes about themselves on a verified social media account that is controlled by the person making the statement. See WP:ABOUTSELF. We would like to see a clear unambiguous statement of fact. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:09, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Please leave the edits on cast page. Please refer to IMDB Pro for most accurate list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B009:ECDB:2985:E380:D4BF:477E (talk) 03:20, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Please see WP:RS/IMDb and WP:Citing IMDb for why we can't use IMDb as a reference for casting information. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:24, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Hello, you reverted my contribution to The Little Mermaid article arguing that we don't know how the film follows other stories. Why that? We see here very clearly how the film follows other stories in this particular point. Ariel's father is called Triton in that film. It is obvious that the producers chose that name not by accident but took it from the Greek mythology stories where the god of the sea is called --- Triton. So, we see exactly where the name comes from or - to use your word - "follows" other stories. From that point of view it is well relevant to that film, certainly worthwhile mentioning and an enhancing piece of information for that article. A very comparable example is the wikipedia article Hercules (1997 film) where it says: "The film is loosely based on the legendary hero Heracles (known in the film by his Roman name, Hercules), the son of Zeus, in Greek mythology." You see, it says there that the film is based on Greek mythology and some details are mentioned in that context, and nobody has removed that sentence there so far because it just states true facts, and the same applies to The Little Mermaid film. The way Triton is presented in that film very much reminds us of the way the legendary Triton is presented in the old Greek stories, so we can argue with certainty that the Disney character is based on that Greek figure and - to use your word again - "follows" those stories. So, why did you revert my addition to that article? ... just puzzled. Really. Thank you and best wishes Stillbusy (talk) 03:02, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Stillbusy: Provide a source for what you stated, absent that what you stated is original research. The fact that Disney uses names from mythology doesn't indicate how closely they follow it. Absent any word from the production team we can't know how closely or loosely they match any existing other story including stories from myth. Even if something is stated to be based on some other story the details of what they actually choose to incorporate or not from that other story is a creative decision. We can't know unless they explicitly tell us either in story or in some production notes related to the story. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:12, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your answer. So, why don't you change the basically same thing in the article Hercules (1997 film) then? I mean the unsourced quote I mentioned earlier about Greek mythology there? Not that I want it to be changed because I can't see anything wrong with it. But that's the same thing, isn't it? --- And not to forget: In the wikipedia article Triton (mythology) they also make the connection to The Little Mermaid film (under the section In popular culture), mentioning that one Triton inspired the other, also unsourced there. I mean, in my edit I did not claim by any means that somebody who was involved in making this film said or wrote somewhere that the characters of Ariel and Triton are taken from Greek mythology. That would have been really wrong and I would never have done that because then it definitely needs a source. I just pointed out a connection (with links to other wikipedia articles) between characters in this film and in historic pieces of literature. And that has been done in other wikipedia articles as well as I showed here above with two examples. It's not unlikely that there are many more. Are they all wrong? Best wishes Stillbusy (talk) 15:39, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Stillbusy: The article at King Triton gives a much fuller description of how that character is used in the franchise. The conclusion statement you made "In the film, Ariel's father is Triton, the god of the sea in Greek mythology" is not actually shown in the film, it was just a name they gave the king who was unnamed in the original story and it appears they had no other purpose in mind other than giving the king a name which was inspired by the Greek god Triton, but no more and not with an implied backstory and set of relations. They filled that out in later entries in the franchise, but not this particular film. King Triton is linked in the article and gives sufficient information about the character to meet the needs of those readers who care to investigate more. As for other articles, they may need to be edited or not, I don't follow them. I just noticed a change to this one I considered inappropriate for the reasons I gave. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:24, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Again, thank you for your answer. It's OK with me. I wish you all the best! Stillbusy (talk) 21:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Stillbusy: The article at King Triton gives a much fuller description of how that character is used in the franchise. The conclusion statement you made "In the film, Ariel's father is Triton, the god of the sea in Greek mythology" is not actually shown in the film, it was just a name they gave the king who was unnamed in the original story and it appears they had no other purpose in mind other than giving the king a name which was inspired by the Greek god Triton, but no more and not with an implied backstory and set of relations. They filled that out in later entries in the franchise, but not this particular film. King Triton is linked in the article and gives sufficient information about the character to meet the needs of those readers who care to investigate more. As for other articles, they may need to be edited or not, I don't follow them. I just noticed a change to this one I considered inappropriate for the reasons I gave. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:24, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your answer. So, why don't you change the basically same thing in the article Hercules (1997 film) then? I mean the unsourced quote I mentioned earlier about Greek mythology there? Not that I want it to be changed because I can't see anything wrong with it. But that's the same thing, isn't it? --- And not to forget: In the wikipedia article Triton (mythology) they also make the connection to The Little Mermaid film (under the section In popular culture), mentioning that one Triton inspired the other, also unsourced there. I mean, in my edit I did not claim by any means that somebody who was involved in making this film said or wrote somewhere that the characters of Ariel and Triton are taken from Greek mythology. That would have been really wrong and I would never have done that because then it definitely needs a source. I just pointed out a connection (with links to other wikipedia articles) between characters in this film and in historic pieces of literature. And that has been done in other wikipedia articles as well as I showed here above with two examples. It's not unlikely that there are many more. Are they all wrong? Best wishes Stillbusy (talk) 15:39, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Animated series draft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Adventures_in_Wonder_Park
@IJBall: I don't even know what this is, but I'm pretty sure it's WP:NOTDEFINING. Amaury • 07:18, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Amaury: It is not mentioned in the article so I can't see how it meets WP:CATVER. Looks like an WP:OR evaluation of the type of story. I also think it is incorrect as that doesn't seem to fit the story structure of a non-linear story, it is two parallel stories not necessarily connected except for theme. Geraldo Perez (talk) 07:27, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
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20th Century Studios/Disney Distrubution
Im noticing you have been putting Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures under 20th Century Studios films even though they say Disney will be disturbing them we cant guarentee that wil happen so for the time being keep at 20th Century Studios for now.NakhlaMan (talk) 12:46 pm Saturday, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
- @NakhlaMan: See WT:WikiProject Film/Archive 74#RfC on distributor of post-merger Fox films. I am undoing changes I see that go against that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 13:10, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
We need to put locks on those distrubtion sections for films so people dont vandilaze and put Disney instead of 20th Century Studios. NakhlaMan (talk) 2:56 Saturday, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
- @NakhlaMan: It is annoying when people change it and sometimes an editor will go on a campaign to change it on a lot of articles to say "Disney" just because Disney bought Fox ignoring how Disney themselves have chosen what to credit as the distributor. It generally isn't happening often enough on most of the articles affected to justify protection, though. Just have to be aware it is happening and revert the incorrect changes when they are noticed. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:13, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Also do you know if Disney will ever distrubute 20th Century Studios films because according to this it says they will: "Similar to other Disney film units, distribution of 20th Century Studios films is now handled by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures, while Searchlight Pictures operates their own autonomous distribution unit". So does that mean for now on they will distrubute the films or will it never happen? NakhlaMan (talk) 10:07 am Monday, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- @NakhlaMan: It is a Disney marketing decision as to what they will do in the future, I doubt even they know now what will happen. Disney is doing the actual distribution work as they own it all, but they own the labels as part of that ownership and have currently chosen to give distribution credit to Fox and the Fox units successor using those names to credit the distributor. We report what the credits say and Disney chooses what the credits say. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:46, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
An eye will probably be need to kept on this one. There is nothing at the article that confirms that season #4 is the show's "last", certainly no sourcing for that. But it's the usual story where people are turning today into the "series end date", with nothing to back that up. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:45, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Template:Nickelodeon original series and related would be other ones as well. Amaury • 17:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Looks like it's actually real: [2]. Not the greatest source in the world, but it does indicate that it actually does exist. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:02, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Getty image as a source?...
Geraldo, can a Getty image be used as a source?... So far, this may be the only source that one can find to verify McNamara's uncredited appearance on The Grinder. TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:46, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Photo credit is Fox and they very likely added the caption. Not ideal but I'd say it is reliable for the information contained. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
David Heinz Edit
Regarding removal of David Heinz: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/940662030
Presently there is no ref establishing either William Hoy or David Heinz as editors. Removing only Heinz was unequal. I'd like to ensure I re-add him with appropriate references. Which of these do you feel is best?
https://innovative-production.com/media/3476/heinzdavidwebresume.pdf (Heinz's management company's public records) https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/The_Call_of_the_Wild https://mubi.com/cast/david-heinz https://indiefilming.com/people/david-heinz https://www.zimbio.com/photos/Erwin+Stoff/World+Premiere+20th+Century+Studios+Call+Wild/NQIstrmrKTh ~ [Daveswallace] (talk) 05:28, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Daveswallace: Zimbio for now. Can't use wikis of any type as references. Once the film hits wide release we can use the actual film credits as the source of credit information. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:34, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
@geraldoperez I'll put that one in – thanks for your reply :) ~ [Daveswallace] (talk) 16:39, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Shaun
hi I started a nee draft for shaun the sheep: A Winter’s Tale and wonder if you wolud like to come over and help edit it Fanoflionking 00:30, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Need to keep an eye on this IP. At first I thought they were just doing helpful work by using {{Plainlist}} in infoboxes at older TV articles. But this edit indicates that they're sneaking in (inaccurate) changes along with these edits as well (e.g. they changed the 'company' and 'distributor' fields).
They've been doing a massive amount of editing the last couple of days, so going through their contributions to check may be a chore. But I thought I'd give you a heads up at least... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:43, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- I'm happy to keep an eye on them as well. Amaury • 20:46, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
New pages that will benefit from more watchers
@MPFitz1968 and IJBall: See Tyler Perry's Young Dylan, Danger Force, and Draft:Kamp Koral: SpongeBob's Under Years. The last one is still a draft, and I have not moved it to mainspace yet because there is still no exact premiere date, just a relative one. Amaury • 19:52, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall and MPFitz1968: I am going to most likely need help with the Young Dylan page. Names per credits extends to article titles as well, and the series' official logo itself has the series as Tyler Perry's Young Dylan, yet I have a stubborn editor refusing to follow proper procedures with naming conventions. Amaury • 04:39, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- If there is any naming conflict, a WP:RM discussion should be opened – that makes the ultimate title the consensus choice: so tell them to stop moving, and open a RM. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:41, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Looks like you beat me to it. I was just in the process of adding another message on their talk page. Amaury • 04:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- If there is any naming conflict, a WP:RM discussion should be opened – that makes the ultimate title the consensus choice: so tell them to stop moving, and open a RM. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:41, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall and MPFitz1968: For reference, see here on the press site. Amaury • 04:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- If it were just an ownership claim instead of part of the title, they wouldn't have keep referring to it using the full title in every instance mentioned. Still WP:COMMONNAME applies and we are not obligated to use the official name if it is not generally used in reliable sources. Need a RM discussion as the name change is contentious and default is the official name until shown otherwise. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:57, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- So, in your opinion, which name are you saying the page should be at? Shouldn't the logo be a clear and shut case, though? Or otherwise pages like Coop & Cami Ask the World could simply be at Coop & Cami because people could claim we never hear the "ask the world" part in the series. Or is this similar to Disney's House of Mouse / House of Mouse. The difference there is that it's directly from Disney, so having "Disney's" in the page title isn't necessary, just as we wouldn't have Cousins for Life at Nickelodeon's Cousins for Life simply because the series logo has Nickelodeon's logo within. Here, Tyler Perry appears to be part of the series name, so the equivalent example would be Disney's Tyler Perry's Young Dylan, with "Disney's" not being part of the title.
- If it were just an ownership claim instead of part of the title, they wouldn't have keep referring to it using the full title in every instance mentioned. Still WP:COMMONNAME applies and we are not obligated to use the official name if it is not generally used in reliable sources. Need a RM discussion as the name change is contentious and default is the official name until shown otherwise. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:57, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- I guess the question could be is "Tyler Perry" part of the series name or is it just a brand name in the logo? Like with any Disney Channel series, you see Disney in the series logo. For example, "Disney Coop & Cami Ask the World," but the page is clearly at Coop & Cami Ask the World. Amaury • 05:11, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- I have no firm opinion right now and I think current page name is also fine for now. Looking over sources it looks split as to what they call it. Press release and zap2it use the full tile, IMDb and Futon listings use the short title. Need to see how this settles out. The way "Tyler Perry's" is stylized in the logo, it looks like the way "Disney" is used in some other titles they produce. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:20, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- That's kind of what I'm thinking as well now, and what you said in your last sentence there would go with what I said in my last sentence above. But it is probably best to leave it where it's at for now, as we do seem to have slightly more sources putting "Tyler Perry's" as part of the series title. Amaury • 05:23, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- I have no firm opinion right now and I think current page name is also fine for now. Looking over sources it looks split as to what they call it. Press release and zap2it use the full tile, IMDb and Futon listings use the short title. Need to see how this settles out. The way "Tyler Perry's" is stylized in the logo, it looks like the way "Disney" is used in some other titles they produce. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:20, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- I guess the question could be is "Tyler Perry" part of the series name or is it just a brand name in the logo? Like with any Disney Channel series, you see Disney in the series logo. For example, "Disney Coop & Cami Ask the World," but the page is clearly at Coop & Cami Ask the World. Amaury • 05:11, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@IJBall: I think it's probably time for RFPP on the Kamp Koral page. Amaury • 20:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
- If IP 2600:1000:b02c... posts again, then I would. But it's been stable for a few hours now, so let's see how it goes first. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@IJBall: Another one from Starklinson. Amaury • 06:21, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- That's the most borderline one yet – I'm not even sure this one would survive at WP:AfD it's so thin... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: I wonder if we should send this to AFD and then use it as a baseline in a report for them to stop creating borderline articles, citing some of the other ones they've created and explaining why they shouldn't have been created. The ones that you said are bare, but would somehow likely survive AFD. And I wouldn't be looking for a block or anything, just a gentle warning for the future, to start with. Amaury • 15:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- She has, as far as I can see, exactly one notable appearance. Not mentioned in any of the titles in the stage section of the article so looks like not in any notable long running production. Television is recurring roles in titles with articles except for the last one. Film no article for titles so non-notable productions. As for WP:GNG, looking at the references see passing mentions with mini bios for some roles, no significant coverage, some interviews which are basically primary sources, good for supporting info. GNG looks weak but may be enough to squeak by AfD. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: I wonder if we should send this to AFD and then use it as a baseline in a report for them to stop creating borderline articles, citing some of the other ones they've created and explaining why they shouldn't have been created. The ones that you said are bare, but would somehow likely survive AFD. And I wouldn't be looking for a block or anything, just a gentle warning for the future, to start with. Amaury • 15:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:The Casagrandes#Infobox Numbering
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:The Casagrandes#Infobox Numbering. @IJBall and MPFitz1968: You as well. Should have some type of discussion before just changing. I meant to comment, but got caught up with other stuff. Amaury • 17:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
I was in the middle of changing things, but I'll come to you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we shouldn't be declaring this series or season over, or even have the number of episodes for the season. Even before the supposed season and series finale aired today, we shouldn't have had all that finale information. There are no reliable sources to support any of this that I can see. The Futon Critic just shows that the current season is season three, with an unknown amount of episodes and has today's episode as a normal episode premiere. The sources that are or were being used come from tweets of unverified Twitter accounts, which we cannot use. Amaury • 20:02, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Amaury: I don't see any reliable sources or verified twitter accounts from show or network decision makers. Did see tweets from an unverified accounts stating it was finished and the last episode seemed to be a conclusion to the series per content of the episode itself. I would like to see something we can use as a source to declare it over. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:50, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- So should probably go ahead and remove any mentions of finale stuff from the parent article as well and wait one year, short of an official announcement, it seems. It's not an article I watch, and as I don't even watch the series itself, I don't know if I really want to deal with the headaches of other users or IPs insisting it's over. I only noticed it after the Disney Channel templates were edited earlier. Amaury • 22:02, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
- Still ongoing, sigh. Stuff on talk page of article. Need to find better sources. Network should have something somewhere. Geraldo Perez (talk) 08:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
- So should probably go ahead and remove any mentions of finale stuff from the parent article as well and wait one year, short of an official announcement, it seems. It's not an article I watch, and as I don't even watch the series itself, I don't know if I really want to deal with the headaches of other users or IPs insisting it's over. I only noticed it after the Disney Channel templates were edited earlier. Amaury • 22:02, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
@Amaury: We're still going to need eyes on this article, as we're still getting editing shenanigans here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
A substantial amount of changes to this article today. I think the (cleanup) stuff from the named editor is OK, but I'd like you to take a look at all of the edits from the IP – if you have objections or think it's too much, I think we should rollback the changes. But it's your call... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:19, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall:Lots of changes but looks to be an overall improvement. I couldn't see anything wrong or anything important deleted. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:34, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
TVOvermind
Would you consider this to be a WP:RS?... I can't tell if it's a webscraper or not. There was only one discussion about this one on WP:RSN, and the discussion was short and did not directly deal with the issue of whether this is a WP:RS or not. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:09, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: It looks to be a blog with a limited number of authors, mostly freelance it seems. According to TVOvermind, a redirect, it was created by Zap2it as a blog and later split off to another company. I would consider it a blog and not a reliable source. Lack of an article on Wikipedia about the site also counts against it as a reliable source. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:42, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Any compelling reason for this to be a standalone article? Or should I just boldly merge it back to the main TV series article? Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:24, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Too short to be a standalone article. I agree with merging it back to the main article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:03, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- This is a bigger job than I thought – improper Jungle Junction (series 1) and Jungle Junction (series 2) articles both exist as well, and the series 1 article doesn't even have a proper templated episode list. So, I'll try to get to this when I can, but it's a bigger job, and (work) life is hell right now, so... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:38, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
This is a garbage/nonsense draft – is there a WP:CSD tag for something like this?... Does WP:A7 apply to drafts? (And does it apply to this one? If not, what CSD would?) TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:21, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Only tags Twinkle permits are the G series for draft articles. I don't see any of them that directly apply right now. Pretty permissive for what we permit as drafts. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:30, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
@IJBall and MPFitz1968: Just moved this to mainspace (finally). More watchers would be appreciated. IJBall, I will leave the talk page assessment and all that to you, as I do not know if this is a stub or start class. Amaury • 17:45, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
The final scene that Hitler appears in the film, had him undead with a gunshot wound to the head. In that scene Hitler appears as an undead zombie. That scene makes Jojo Rabbit technically a Nazi Zombie movie. That is the truth. Addiing the Category for "Nazi Zombie Movies", was technically correct. ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 10:10, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- See WP:CATVER and WP:NOTDEFINING for why a category is not appropriate for something so minor it is not even mentioned in the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:19, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
In the article, " A disheveled Adolf (now displaying a severe head wound) angrily confronts Jojo for siding with Elsa, and Jojo kicks him out the window.". That is a scene after Jojo has been told that Hitler blew his brains out in the film. Hitler having the severe head wound is from having killed himself. He appears as an undead zombie. It doen't matter that you don't thiink that is the point of the film. Having an undead Hitler technically makes it a Nazi Zombie film. Just like They Saved Hitler's Brain from 1968 is a Nazi Zombie film.ZombieHorrorMovie13 (talk) 10:26, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
- It was never stated that that was a zombie most likely just part of Jojo's imaginary world. No reliable source, and the article itself, say this a a Nazi Zombie movie, so the category is inappropriate. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:59, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
TV format
I did not know there was a difference, but now that you're making these changes to some articles like Danger Force and Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure, if you're bored and want a little project to do, you could go through User:Amaury/sandbox#General Maintenance and make the changes accordingly to those parent articles. That would be greatly appreciated; however, if not, I can do it when I get a chance. Amaury • 16:20, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Amaury: I generally don't like picture format in inboxes mostly because it is not mentioned in the article or sourced but is added as an assumption based on what the original broadcast outlet generally uses. That also varies on whether or not there are multiple feeds. Disney and ABC are known to use ATSC format HDTV 720p for their recent HD stuff so don't have much issue with that in the articles. It is a bit more iffy with older series during the NTSC to ATSC transition period in the aughts as to what they actually used. I generally fix stuff when I notice it and am just as likely to remove it completely if it is not recent or sourced.
We can also put in the infobox how it was recorded, if sourced, and that should be sourced in the article if recording format is used. Disney+ looks to be streaming at HDTV 1080p, that could be upresed from the original broadcast or downresed from some much higher format, how they do it is not sourced. I expect recent stuff is being recorded at UHDTV 4K to 8K to future proof it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:42, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Jasmin and age
"At only 15 years of age" is listed in the article. As such she qualifies for Category:Child characters in musical theatre as she is under the descriptive age of 21.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 22:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Loriendrew: The container for all these at Category:Fictional children uses pre-adolescence or under age 12 as an inclusion definition. Seems to be a disconnect here. Under 21 includes legal adults per most countries laws so seems kind of out there for being defined as a "child". Jasmine in story is an adolescent likely post puberty and is entering into adult relationships. Hard to see or consider her a "Child". Romeo and Juliet are stupid adolescents, not really children either but are in the category. For Jasmine don't see her listed in reliable sources as a child character so WP:NOTDEFINING as well. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
- Interesting find in the Fictional children by medium: the ages vary greatly. Film has 13, musicals and literature is 21, television is 18.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 23:28, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
- @Loriendrew: At article "Child" it is defined biologically as between birth and puberty and legally as under the age of majority in whatever jurisdiction. These child categories are flipping between the biological definition and the legal one with no consistency I can see. For fiction legal is part of the fictional world and could also vary. Socially what people consider a child generally follows pre-pubescent or pre-teen and I think that is what readers will expect in articles. I guess I'd prefer to just fall back on WP:DEFINING and go with whatever reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having and not do editor evaluation interpretations based on age or appearance. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:41, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
- Interesting find in the Fictional children by medium: the ages vary greatly. Film has 13, musicals and literature is 21, television is 18.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 23:28, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Tell me, is there any reason not to get this article nuked at WP:AfD?! I don't see anything in the IMDb listing that suggests that this subject meets WP:NACTOR, and then you add in the total lack of secondary sourcing and WP:COI problems, and I can't think of one reason not to.
As it is, I don't have the stomach to take anything to WP:AfD right now (too many real-world distractions), but I'll try to remember this article for when I do, assuming you agree with me... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Doesn't meet either NACTOR or GNG. I'd support deletion. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
Onward storyboard scene
Yes, that scene isn't in the film, but at least it was considered. Things that were considered in films are usually worth adding in production sections. 2605:E000:2E52:FA00:6C8E:7429:1B04:AAA3 (talk) 05:48, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
- And rejected. Worth adding only if well-covered in multiple reliable sources that consider it worth mentioning and generally only if it impacted the final film in some way. Lots of things are considered and not used, few matter. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
I am not as familiar with BLP stuff as you or IJBall, but is this correct? Doesn't WP:ABOUTSELF apply? I only say that because here you let it stand. Amaury • 18:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
This editor is back at it, and based on their recent edit at Glory Days (2002 TV series), I don't trust what they're doing re: categories, so I'd ask you to look over their recent edits.
IIRC, this is not the first time they've done stuff like this, so if their editing is problematic, we may want to think about going to WP:ANI (though that often doesn't work for me when I try it). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: I looked over the recent edits. My major issue is still WP:CATVER and the fact the articles are supposed to primarily cover the initial release companies. Ownership changes shouldn't change the names that were credited, we have redirects to take care of that generally. Category redirects don't work so categories tend to get renamed instead so sometimes CATVER stops working. What should be happening on name changes is the old categories remain and becomes a subcategory of the new owner. Still I think ExtraEditing jumped the gun either way. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree with that. For example, I agree that Glory Days (2002 TV series) shouldn't be in Category:Television series by Disney–ABC Domestic Television – it should be in Category:Television series by Dimension Television, and failing that in a category like Category:Television series by Buena Vista Television. I'm going to ping Gonnym to this discussion to see if he has any comments, as I think he knows a lot more about TV categories than I do. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, the consensus on this as evident by two reverts of Disney related speedy category moves is that the category should reflect what was the correct at the time. The current categories for TV networks is still a bit of a mess, but then again, a lot of the infoboxes themselves also have the incorrect information, so there is plenty of mess to go around. Ideally (in my opinion) would be for the categories to get populated by the infobox values, that way at least we can make sure that the infoboxes and categories always match (that isn't how it's works currently). --Gonnym (talk) 16:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree with that. For example, I agree that Glory Days (2002 TV series) shouldn't be in Category:Television series by Disney–ABC Domestic Television – it should be in Category:Television series by Dimension Television, and failing that in a category like Category:Television series by Buena Vista Television. I'm going to ping Gonnym to this discussion to see if he has any comments, as I think he knows a lot more about TV categories than I do. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
ANI invitation
Hi Geraldo Perez, you may be interested in WP:ANI#Hoaxes_from_2604:6000:1114:c8f2::/64. Thanks! ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:10, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Frauds from new(?) editor
Geraldo, I'd like to bring your attention to Alexis5653, who got my attention at Dakota Fanning with this edit, and then their apparently fraudulent draft at Draft:Lulu's World (season 4) (there is no such show according to IMDb). I'm getting the same vibe here that I got from Juan Carlos R. Cortez. I don't know if it's the same editor yet, which is why I'm not filing a WP:SPI (yet) – though it's worth noting that Juan Carlos R. Cortez was indef blocked on April 6, and this new editor started posting on April 7 – but I think this editor bares watching... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:46, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Likely and also as User talk:Alexis5356. Generally hoax edits. I reported to AIV for now as fairly obvious a vandalism only account. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:30, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
CBS Studios International Wiki Page Change?
Geraldo, I have a question. I have noticed that there's a edit where the old link for CBS Studios Intl. website now redirects to a page for ViacomCBS Global Distribution Group, and it turned out true. So, does that mean the Wiki page for CBS Studios Intl. can be changed to ViacomCBS Global Distribution Group? BKonadu67 (talk) 01:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- @BKonadu67: Looks like owned by them, not a name change. Rename looks inappropriate. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:13, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Geraldo Perez: Okay Thanks for letting me know — Preceding unsigned comment added by BKonadu67 (talk • contribs) 03:43, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
I would like (when I have time!) to trim this cast table back to just the cast from the films, as I don't think the TV series cast needs to be, or should be, in this table... My question is, how would you advise handling this? Should I do a "bold edit" on this (the TV cast was only added to the table recently)? Or should I do something else?... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: There are only 2 characters from the movies that appeared in the TV series, the rest are unique to the TV series. Including the TV series characters in the movie table is kind of pointless in my opinion and a better presentation would be to keep the table for the movie series and keep the TV series characters separate. The TV series character all look to be in both seasons so a table for them is of little benefit. Maybe keep the table for the movie series characters only and just list the TV series characters outside the table. Keeps the table more compact with 2 fewer columns and 11 fewer rows. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:10, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- That's what I was planning. But the table will probably need to be moved under the "film series" section... I'll get to it at some point. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Need extra eyes here – editor keeps adding unsourced, and possibly fraudulent, content to a WP:BLP. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:24, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yep – just reverted again, with no explanation or justification. Editor looks WP:NOTHERE, but will soon be guilty of WP:3RR so can be taken to WP:ANEW. But I'm at my limit here... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:30, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- And now crossed WP:3RR. One of us should take this editor to WP:ANEW. Not sure if I can do that in the next hour though... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:36, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Needs the EW warning first. I've reported to AIV. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:39, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: And now indef blocked. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- And now crossed WP:3RR. One of us should take this editor to WP:ANEW. Not sure if I can do that in the next hour though... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:36, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Update: Now-blocked Juan Carlos R. Cortez has definitely moved on to 2404:3C00:482F:1021:68FF:7058:5693:AA53 (talk · contribs · (/64) · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). Will probably need to be blocked here too. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: IP is in Philippines and editors from there tend to move around a lot on IPs used. I'll watch special:contributions/2404:3C00:482F:1021::/64 for a while to see if he turns up again in that /64 range. Probably too soon and likely ineffective to block a single IPv6. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:25, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: See this by User Check R. Movies. Also likely sock. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:37, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Need help with an IP editor adding unsourced and inappropriate content here. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Need at least your eyes here, and anyone else who's willing to watch this.
But there's slow-motion edit warring going on here with an IP disruptively and fraudulently changing the episode numbering, contrary to sourcing (e.g. Futon Critic, EpGuides, etc.). I know from experience that WP:AIV is likely to be fruitless for something like this, so we just need more eyes watching this to quickly revert when the IP pulls this stuff... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:35, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: I've added it. From what I can see, it looks like the typical "double-length episodes count as two episodes" BS. In some rare cases they do, like how Andi Mack premiered, but otherwise no. Amaury • 23:44, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- It's more complicated than that – with this show, IIRC, each episode tracked 2–3 separate cases. So it was like each episode had 2–3 completely self-contained storylines (i.e. "segments") within it. But that doesn't mean that each storyline was a separate "episode" – they weren't: this was a traditional "1-hour drama" series. It wasn't like SpongeBob where you have "2 completely separate segments per episode" (and, even there, the individual "segments" aren't "episodes"...). So the IP is just wrong here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:08, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: See Special:Contributions/2601:201:280:1020::/64 previously blocked 1 week, currently block evading. Reported range as such to AIV. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:21, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Range blocked 1 month. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- It's more complicated than that – with this show, IIRC, each episode tracked 2–3 separate cases. So it was like each episode had 2–3 completely self-contained storylines (i.e. "segments") within it. But that doesn't mean that each storyline was a separate "episode" – they weren't: this was a traditional "1-hour drama" series. It wasn't like SpongeBob where you have "2 completely separate segments per episode" (and, even there, the individual "segments" aren't "episodes"...). So the IP is just wrong here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:08, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Then we may as well remove Sarah. She's just as minor as Darby.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbl1975 (talk • contribs) 05:27, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Jbl1975: (talk page watcher) This one is a little cloudy compared to Darby, as Sarah does receive one guest-starring credit in a late season 3 episode, "Girl Meets Hollyworld". I believe she appears in a lot of episodes overall, probably more than Darby, but I can't say for sure ... but the guest-starring credit (with Sarah having one and Darby having none at all) does create some confusion. This discussion should take place on the talk page of the LoC article. MPFitz1968 (talk) 06:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Discussion at Template talk:Television season ratings#Entire season
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Television season ratings#Entire season. Putting the issues I have with the OP aside, this invitation is for the ratings subject of the discussion. Inviting MPFitz1968 and Starforce13 to participate as well, if interested. Amaury • 16:07, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Can we some more eyes here, please? I don't think an RFPP request is appropriate quite yet. Thanks. Amaury • 20:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
It is clear from reading the production section that there are indeed two creators—Girl Meets World is another example—but is it a WP:DEFINING characteristic? See this edit. Amaury • 06:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Amaury: It is not defining for all the articles that editor created the category for and added articles to. The category itself should be taken to WP:CfD. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:15, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Can you please take a look at this article and check to see if you agree that Canada should be listed as a "country of origin"? From what's at the article currently, this seems thin... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:08, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Krantz Films looks to be a Canadian production company. IMDb lists the series as US and Canadian. I'd say it qualifies as a Canadian production. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Sockpuppetry
I heard that on wikipedia sock puppets must wait six months to appeal for an unblock. Is that true or false? 2601:883:4280:28B0:353E:465B:532D:2D80 (talk) 19:58, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- See this, this and this. If continue to make vandalism edits it will be extended. Your block was for only a day, if you start making valid improvements to Wikipedia article, you likely won't be blocked again as an IP. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- I was referring to registered users with multiple accounts. 2601:883:4280:28B0:353E:465B:532D:2D80 (talk) 20:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- See WP:Standard offer, vandalism edits as an IP while blocked goes against that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:11, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- I was referring to registered users with multiple accounts. 2601:883:4280:28B0:353E:465B:532D:2D80 (talk) 20:08, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
This article is a mess, and needs to be seriously trimmed (I may finally have time to get to that this summer), if not outright deleted as basically WP:OR. But right now it needs more eyes on it, as we have an editor disruptively trying to include All That here, which is ridiculous as it's a "sketch" show which by definition rules out the idea of a "crossover". Pinging Amaury as well. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:00, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Fix the episode page
List of Miss Spider's Sunny Patch Friends episodes
--2601:647:8480:D300:8065:7B:F508:9BD3 (talk) 01:27, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- FWIW, I have reverted the changes this IP made to the page, as there was no explanation for the changes. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:46, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Geraldo, I'd like you to check this edit – what they are claiming they are doing isn't matching what I'm seeing. IOW, it looks to me like a fraudulent edit summary. So a second set of eyes on this would be a good idea. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: It looks like the edit summary was correct, there was a duplicate entry that was removed. Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:26, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
- Geraldo, I'd like you to check this edit – what they are claiming they are doing isn't matching what I'm seeing. IOW, it looks to me like a fraudulent edit summary. So a second set of eyes on this would be a good idea. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:09, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Just came across this at Deadline – it states "Boyce's final film, Runt, won and [sic] award at the Mammoth Film Festival in March."
Does this qualify as a "public release"?... If so, it may explain that IP at the article that keeps changing the date of this film (though without explanation, or sourcing). Thoughts? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:32, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: WP:FILMRELEASE includes film festivals as one of the dates to put in the infobox release section for earliest release. Of course it needs to be sourced. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:36, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Done. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:48, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Might be worthwhile to update the infobox release attribute of Runt (film) with the information and reference. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:52, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- I just did that as well... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:53, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Great. Already in Mammoth Film Festival article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:58, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- I just did that as well... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:53, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Might be worthwhile to update the infobox release attribute of Runt (film) with the information and reference. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:52, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Klaus (film) edits
Why did you revert my edits to the page? Netflix films are independent, and it's set in Lapland, Finland. The movie literally has Sami people as a major plot point. Sami people are not from the Arctic, they are Scandinavian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamcool34234 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Iamcool34234: It is a work of fiction, no specific setting was specified. Sami people are from not just the Scandinavian countries but also some of Russia. Closest to a setting mentioned in the article was Smeerenburg now part of Norway and in the Arctic. See File:Arctic_circle.svg. Set in the Arctic looks reasonable. Set in Finland was not supported. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:19, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
OK, I see now. It does make sense that it would be closer to Norway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamcool34234 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Reliable birthday websites
What websites other than Famous Birthdays are credible for listing celeb birthdays? 2601:883:4280:28B0:BDA4:AB51:A0A5:420C (talk) 21:55, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
- Pretty much anything described in WP:RS and also see WP:RSP for discussion on good ones and bad ones, Famous Birthdays is in list as a do not use. For birthdays also see WP:BLPPRIVACY and WP:ABOUTSELF, basically a verified social media account run by the article subject can give out this information and we can use that as a reference. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
This another disruptive IP to keep an eye on. I don't know if this is another "flavor" of the usual "image resolution" vandal (from the Carolinas – seems unlikely based on this IP's geolocation), or another vandal with a similar MO, but I'm making you aware... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Range blocked previously for this. AIV reported as resumed after block expired. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Nicely done. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to add categories to a redirect? Is there a policy on this? Because an editor keeps adding categories to the above redirect, and I just don't see the point, esp. as this one has an article in Draftspace that's ready to go if The CW picks up this show. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:47, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: As a redirect with possibilities it is indicating an article could be created there. Some article categories are appropriate so it shows up in the proper category lists. It wouldn't be appropriate if it were just redirect for most other reasons. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:29, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Sleeping Beauty being believed to be in France
In my case, though the movie never exploits where it was set cause some people debate this film set in England or Germany, I'd presumed it was set in France for all the following reasons you must understand.
1. One of the banners resembles the old Coat of Arms of France called the Fleur De Lis. 2. In the beginning, we hear the narrator mention the 'High of Low Estate' which refers to the estate system used in France. 3. French words like Troubadour and en guarde are used in the christening scene and the argument scene respectively. 4. Stefan's castle is NOT only based on the Neuschwanstein Castle in Germany but many castles in France like the Chambord, D' Usse. 5. At the end, when Phillip and Aurora reunites their parents, the old French national anthem called Marche Henri IV is heard. 6. Eyvind Earle's ideas of Art was influenced by the French medieval manuscript called, 'Book of Hours' written by the Limbourg Brothers
I hope you understand and pay attention to all the evidence why Sleeping Beauty is believed to be set in France and must be in the category. Just get those facts straight! Have a good day.
Sincerely,
Matt Hedrich — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrMattHedrich (talk • contribs) 00:07, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- @MrMattHedrich: That is still original research not directly stated in any reference and is your personal evaluation. Absent a direct statement made in a reliable source we will assume the setting was a fictional country that resembles France, not necessarily France itself. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
The original movie already has Lumiere as a maitre d', but the new movie NEVER shows what job he has, so I'm going with footman with a lot of evidence that you need to understand
1. Footman is a term for assistant butler 2. The original movie has him as a maitre d', so NO need to have him in the same position. 3. Live actions are KNOWN for changes! 4. The novel-tie-in version has Lumiere as a footman. 5. The clothing Lumiere wore as a human looks more like a footman, NOT a maitre d'!
I hope you completely pay attention and understand the evidence why Lumiere is also a footman, and NOT just maitre d' like he was in the original animated film.
Sincerely, Matt Hedrich — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrMattHedrich (talk • contribs) 00:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- As Geraldo says, this all reads like WP:OR. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- @MrMattHedrich: We have a reference that says his job is maitre d' so we are going with that. Beyond that is original research. Generally a footman is a very low level male servant in most locations, not an assistant to anyone but part of the service staff. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:48, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
You lied to me, Mr Geraldo! The original film already has that maitre d position and can NOT be the same position Or else I will report a complaint! MrMattHedrich (talk) 01:58, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
My reasoning of Sb in France is what others should start understanding. MrMattHedrich (talk) 01:59, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- MrMattHedrich: You do not seem to understand. You are laying out facts to support your arguments saying the film takes place in France and regarding the position of one of the servants. Wikipedia does not work that way. If it did, the entire project would be a never ending series of arguments about everything from whether or not NASA landed on the Moon to whether viruses cause disease.
- Instead, Wikipedia reports what independent reliable sources say about a subject. Sources clearly say NASA landed on the Moon, germs cause many illnesses and lots more. We do not, however have sources discussing whether or not this film is set in France. That you think it is set in France is immaterial. If sources said the film was set on Mars and Aurora is a large purple frog, Wikipedia would say that.
- Long story short: several editors have reverted you on this and a couple of similar issues. It's time to stop edit warring and follow the consensus. - SummerPhDv2.0 02:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
WP:DE Bubble Guppies IP editor
Geraldo, I've got a IP-hopping editor that is WP:DE editing articles (wrong) related to Bubble Guppies including Jacob Bertrand, Jet Jurgensmeyer, Issac Ryan Brown and others. Latest IP is 118.101.180.112. But I'd like some help here, as I'm the only one that's been reverting this editor for the past two days (also, maybe you can come up with a better solution here...). Also pinging Amaury in case he's around. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: From Malaysia both the IPv4 and IPv6. IPv6 is off a 2 week block on the /48 range Special:Contributions/2001:E68:5415::/48. IPv4 is same user but only that one IP has been used as far as I can see. I reported the IPv6 as resuming from a block placed by EvergreenFir. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:19, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Now at 124.13.165.158. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Another IP obsessed with adding incorrect categories... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Lele Pons edit reverted
Hi Geraldo, May I ask why you reverted the changes I made to LeLe Pons's page? I only added another song and linked it to the video. Everything was correct. There was nothing "vandalized" in any way shape or form.
Dan— Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielGros (talk • contribs) 02:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- @DanielGros: Your edit [3] added external links in the body of the article. Per WP:ELPOINTS "external links should not be used in the body of an article". This is why I reverted your edits. I didn't assert it was vandalism, just inappropriate addition of external links in the article body. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:45, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
There is an IP who persistently adds an image whose non-free use rationale specifies that it may be used in only one article (which is not the one they are adding it to). [4] I have warned them about this already, and they are not far away from being blocked. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Advice...
Despite being a draft, I have WP:G3'ed Draft:Hello! Superheroes (TV series) because IMO it qualifies as a blatant hoax (the tipping point is the claim it was renewed April 17 when there is zero information about this show after a search... the other tipoff is that the "voice actor" listed is the same name as the Wikipedia account that created it).
What I'm wondering is if I should also WP:G3 Draft:Spider-Man 4 by the same author (who, fortunately, stopped posting on April 23...), or if I should simply restore the redirect to Spider-Man in film#Cancelled films?... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:56, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: I'd suggest tagging it as a hoax as well. A redirect as a draft article is kind of pointless. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:42, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- Done – yeah, looking at it again, it definitely qualifies: article author is claiming that they're directing and writing the film, and Cliff Robertson can't possibly be a star in a movie coming out this year – he died in 2011. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:46, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Another Disruptive IP, This Time Contra MOS:TV
Geraldo, you just reverted 75.161.95.250 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), but looking into it, this problem may be far bigger than it appears at first. This is a dynamic IP, and this editor has also operated at 75.161.84.165, and definitely at 97.123.88.226 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and also 97.123.124.162. (All of these seem to geolocate to New Mexico.)
The pattern is pretty much always the same – adding {{Series overview}} tables, mostly to 1-season TV series where they are proscribed as per WP:TVOVERVIEW, adding 'season' columns to episode tables for 1-season TV shows where they are similarly inappropriate, and removing the year seasons were broadcast in from headers in contravention of WP:TVSEASONYEAR.
This may also be the same editor who disruptively removes the 'season' column from episode tables for the first season (only) of longer-running TV shows.
All of these disruptions, as far as I can tell, have been going on for years, so it seems to me that a more "permanent" solution is needed here (e.g. range blocks, if they can be applied without collateral damage).
Pinging YoungForever and Starforce13 as they've both come across this editor before, and MPFitz1968 too as I think even MPFitz1968 has come across this disruption somewhere.
But I'd like to try to come up with something for this... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 07:02, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- Definitely a problematic editor with ongoing disruptive edits who needs a
"permanent" solution
. — YoungForever(talk) 07:12, 12 May 2020 (UTC)- Agreed, a more permanent solution is needed here because it doesn't look like this will stop any time soon. Unfortunately, since these are wide IP ranges, it's going to be difficult to get them blocked for more than a few days. — Starforce13 15:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Annoying and disruptive as seems to ignore MOS, likely deliberately. Uses same ISP as I do so I recognize the IPs and the ISP uses a pretty large set of ranges when reassigning IPs after I restart my DSL modem - hard to create an effective block for one person. Although will stay on 1 IP until some action is taken to get a new one which will happen after a block is applied. Not much I can see to do except try to communicate with the person and get blocked for disruptive editing if gets past a level 4 warning. Block evasion blocks when identified afterwards. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:38, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- 75.161.95.250 strikes again today with repetitive disruptive edits. Just gave the ip address another warning. — YoungForever(talk) 23:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- @YoungForever: Need to be clear that the revert was for unexplained removal of valid content. After a level 4 warning, if he continues to do the same thing, can be reported to WP:AIV. Without a clear indication on the revert messages and the user page warning messages of what he is doing wrong, less likely to get a block. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- I fixed the warning specifically to
unexplained removal of valid content
— YoungForever(talk) 00:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- I fixed the warning specifically to
- @YoungForever: Need to be clear that the revert was for unexplained removal of valid content. After a level 4 warning, if he continues to do the same thing, can be reported to WP:AIV. Without a clear indication on the revert messages and the user page warning messages of what he is doing wrong, less likely to get a block. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- 75.161.95.250 strikes again today with repetitive disruptive edits. Just gave the ip address another warning. — YoungForever(talk) 23:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Annoying and disruptive as seems to ignore MOS, likely deliberately. Uses same ISP as I do so I recognize the IPs and the ISP uses a pretty large set of ranges when reassigning IPs after I restart my DSL modem - hard to create an effective block for one person. Although will stay on 1 IP until some action is taken to get a new one which will happen after a block is applied. Not much I can see to do except try to communicate with the person and get blocked for disruptive editing if gets past a level 4 warning. Block evasion blocks when identified afterwards. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:38, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
- Agreed, a more permanent solution is needed here because it doesn't look like this will stop any time soon. Unfortunately, since these are wide IP ranges, it's going to be difficult to get them blocked for more than a few days. — Starforce13 15:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
Resumed May 22, 2020 off 1 week block for doing this. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:29, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
- It seems that the ip address is still not getting. — YoungForever(talk) 09:09, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Can I ask your help?
Hello, it's me again. I don't know if you remember the message I previously left here asking you how to behave when having trouble with a very problematic user (at least with me). Again, I don't know if I'm doing the right thing writing to you, but I really need help with this person. Basically, this user is Changedforbetter, they've been working on many Disney articles, towards which they are very protective, to use an euphemism: they call them "my articles" and they've called my "international versions" sections names like "vandalism", "defacing", "unattractive" and others. Months ago they removed said section on the page Evermore (Beauty and the Beast song). I wrote on their talk page, but they never replied. After I received no reply for over 3 weeks, I brought my edits back, asking them to anser to me on their talk page, so we could talk it through. I didn't hear anything from them until yesterday, when they removed my edits again from another page, claiming that I would be targeting "articles I've brought to GA" (which you know all too well it's not true). I undid their edit, asking them again to answer my topic on their talk page, so we could find a solution. Their reply was undoing my edit once again, stating "I have no interest in "talking it out" with you". I am trying to talk with this person. I really am. But they just don't want to. They claim paternity over articles they edit and won't allow anything they don't like on them. I don't think this fair nor in line with Wikipedia principles of cooperation in sharing knowledge. I don't know what to do, please, can you help me? Ninahi8 (talk) 10:23, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Ninahi8: This is basically a content dispute about what belongs in an article. The next step for an article is start a discussion on the article's talk page and maybe pursue the WP:RfC process to see if you can get consensus for including what the other editor does not want in the article. In my opinion, it is not worth it, and I'd just drop it when there is strong opposition like what you are getting from an editor heavily invested in the article. It passed a GA review and the section you wish to add was not noted as something necessary that was missing. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:17, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- I guess reason goes again to the one who screams louder...they've been kicking me out of "their articles" for years now, bullying me while I never wanted to scream louder than them. This is how things work, I suppose. Thank you for your help anyway. Really, I mean it. Ninahi8 (talk) 16:43, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Ninahi8: The RfC process is about the only realistic way to push this if you care enough to do so. Even then it could go against what you want. For me, personally, I edit Wikipedia as an enjoyable pastime. When it stops being enjoyable, it becomes work. Some people enjoy conflict and seem to thrive on it and they do generally prevail over those of us who find it stressful. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:51, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- You're right, it could actually turn against my aims, in the end...OK, thank you for your words, sometimes a good word is just what's needed. So, thank you again. Ninahi8 (talk) 17:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Ninahi8: The RfC process is about the only realistic way to push this if you care enough to do so. Even then it could go against what you want. For me, personally, I edit Wikipedia as an enjoyable pastime. When it stops being enjoyable, it becomes work. Some people enjoy conflict and seem to thrive on it and they do generally prevail over those of us who find it stressful. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:51, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- I guess reason goes again to the one who screams louder...they've been kicking me out of "their articles" for years now, bullying me while I never wanted to scream louder than them. This is how things work, I suppose. Thank you for your help anyway. Really, I mean it. Ninahi8 (talk) 16:43, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Sofia Carson
Sofia's mother Laura Char Carson is the daughter of Simon Char Abdala and Lorraine Carson as can be read in the attched source https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1706&dat=19881209&id=SK4cAAAAIBAJ&sjid=PFMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6884,3560477&hl=en
The source states that her mother's father is Simon Char Abdala and that her uncle is Fuad Char Abdala who is of full Lebanese descent as stated in the sources in Fuad Char wikipedia article. This would make Sofia Carson of LebaneseChris O' Hare (talk) 17:29, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
- Geraldo, you may wish to move this to Talk:Sofia Carson where it belongs... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:59, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
Conversation moved to article talk page and continued there. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:16, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
TV Guide Is Not A Better Source
Amazon posted those airdates WITH Nickelodeon's blessing as Amazon worked with Nickelodeon to publish and print DVD's for years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hated Humanist (talk • contribs) 06:07, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- TV guide reports what actually happened and their airing data is accurate. If you want to change the source of the air dates, raise the issue on the talk page. As it is everything in the article conforms to what TV guide supports. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Geraldo, this editor has made more massive date changes to List of Rugrats episodes after posting here – what do you advise be done? I am inclined to revert again, as we have sources that disagree, and this needs to be discussed... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:21, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- Ping AussieLegend about this as well, based on AussieLegend's previous comments at the Talk page. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:22, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Revert again and take discussion about the conflicting sources to the talk page. I consider TV guide a superior source as it is the most contemporaneous with the original airing. If a decision is made to make a major change like this it need to be discussed and consensus gained. I'm at my 3RR limit for the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- They're still going – better to wait for them to stop before rolling back. Also, I would like to hear from AussieLegend... To be clear, I don't have a dog in this hunt, and would rather not start the Talk page discussion on this, but I'll gladly revert as this is clear disruption and edit warring. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- TV Guide used to be consistently accurate around the time Hannah Montana was airing but since then I've noticed it has become unreliable in many instances. That's not to say that it is wrong all the time, it's still a WP:RS but as far as Rugrats is concerned it seems to have some things wrong. It's not alone there, I've never been able to find an absolutely accurate guide for that program anywhere. Some of the bittorrent sites have the episodes in season packs and they seem to be more accurate as far as aired order goes than what we normally assume to be reliable. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall and AussieLegend: I don't have a lot of interest in that article, was mostly maintaining status quo. The changes are sourced, just to a more recent once so I'm inclined to just let it go for now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- No – as I said at their Talk page, if two sources conflict like this, then a discussion must be held at the article's Talk page to achieve a consensus on what to do. They can't just edit war to their preferred source without a discussion first... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- There is a discussion ongoing with no conclusion at Talk:List of Rugrats episodes § Air dates. Rethinking it based on the contents of the talk page, we should not change sources without a clear consensus to do so. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:29, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- No – as I said at their Talk page, if two sources conflict like this, then a discussion must be held at the article's Talk page to achieve a consensus on what to do. They can't just edit war to their preferred source without a discussion first... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:18, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall and AussieLegend: I don't have a lot of interest in that article, was mostly maintaining status quo. The changes are sourced, just to a more recent once so I'm inclined to just let it go for now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- TV Guide used to be consistently accurate around the time Hannah Montana was airing but since then I've noticed it has become unreliable in many instances. That's not to say that it is wrong all the time, it's still a WP:RS but as far as Rugrats is concerned it seems to have some things wrong. It's not alone there, I've never been able to find an absolutely accurate guide for that program anywhere. Some of the bittorrent sites have the episodes in season packs and they seem to be more accurate as far as aired order goes than what we normally assume to be reliable. --AussieLegend (✉) 15:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- They're still going – better to wait for them to stop before rolling back. Also, I would like to hear from AussieLegend... To be clear, I don't have a dog in this hunt, and would rather not start the Talk page discussion on this, but I'll gladly revert as this is clear disruption and edit warring. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:30, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Revert again and take discussion about the conflicting sources to the talk page. I consider TV guide a superior source as it is the most contemporaneous with the original airing. If a decision is made to make a major change like this it need to be discussed and consensus gained. I'm at my 3RR limit for the article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:A Bug's Life#Plot summary issue
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:A Bug's Life#Plot summary issue. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 08:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
- I have made the administrator's notice board aware of the edit history on the article as I see users and the IP address reverting the maximum legal limit of three times. And the IP address has done that exactly a week ago for the same disputing with the plot. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 17:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Your UTRS Account
You have no wikis in which you meet the requirements for UTRS. Your account has been removed and you will be required to reregister once you meet the requirements. If you are blocked on any wiki that UTRS uses, please resolve that before registering agian also. -- DQB (owner / report) 17:40, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- I see you got the same weird message I did... No idea what this is about. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:53, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Is this even remotely notable?! Not only is it unsourced, but it reads to me like it doesn't even pass WP:A7! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:54, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- No, should be merged and redirected to Keith Harris (ventriloquist). Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Dakota Fanning and Lilo & Stitch articles
Need more eyes here as we have a vandalistic editor that's probably on their way to an indef. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:48, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
I would advise keeping an eye on this editor... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:39, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
WP:UNDUE question
The following was just added Shenae Grimes. It has been removed in the past for basically being WP:UNDUE (a sentiment I share). What do you think? (Note: Even if you agree, I'm not going to be the one to revert this particular user, as I've had conflicts with them in the past...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:41, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: At least it is sourced unlike some of the other people in that category. It was a passing mention and seemed unimportant to her other than how she defines her lack of religious belief in the context of a spiritual situation. Doubt she even knows or cares what the word really means. It think declarations like this are trite and need not be in the article. I don't want to get in a content dispute with someone about a referenced factoid, however, trite that it is. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:53, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Geraldo, I would like you to appraise whether you think Oscar Kezirian might be a sock of the above. This link is Cooper Barnes (actor). Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:59, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: Given article focus, I'd say very likely. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- OK, not enough yet to file a SPI report, IMO. But we can continue keeping an eye out, and gathering evidence. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: The insistence of creating the article at the wrong title is more the tell to me. Recreating the article at the correct title could be anyone who just wants an article on Cooper Barnes. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:22, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- They tried doing it at Cooper Barnes first. But I reverted them telling them to work on Draft:Cooper Barnes. So then they tried Cooper Barnes (actor). This is absolutely out-of-process, WP:SNEAKY, and WP:DE. But it doesn't prove the being a sock thing – we'd need more evidence for that. It just proves that they're a WP:SPA in trying to create this article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: The insistence of creating the article at the wrong title is more the tell to me. Recreating the article at the correct title could be anyone who just wants an article on Cooper Barnes. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:22, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- OK, not enough yet to file a SPI report, IMO. But we can continue keeping an eye out, and gathering evidence. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
This editor is mass-adding cast table templates like {{CMain}} to dozens of Filmography tables, despite me mass reverting them earlier for doing this. I have just left them a warning. Can you please mass revert their latest edits on this, as I am otherwise occupied? Pinging Davey2010 as well, as they similarly reverted this editor earlier for the same.
If they keep this up, and block is potentially going to be necessary. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping, I spotted these additions randomly and didn't actually realise someone was going out of their way to add these - I've mass-rollbacked their edits now, If they continue you might be best going to ANI :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 23:17, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I see that from is capitalized in Spider-Man: Far From Home. The changes I've made in the Zendaya article are correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:cb:8200:7220:51ed:4ae:a929:8c48 (talk • contribs) 14:37, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- See MOS:CT as it applies to all articles on Wikipedia by default. That some other article, by a local consensus of editors of that particular article, has chosen to go against the MOS, applies only to that article and no others. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:44, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- If I remember correctly, the argument was that because that's how it is on the poster, we must absolutely follow the style of the poster. No. That's not how it works. If a movie's title were all in capital letters, like SUPER AWESOME ADVENTURE, we wouldn't have the article all in capital letters. We'd have Super Awesome Adventure. It's why the article is Mech-X4, not MECH-X4. It's the same case here. Just because it's "From" in the poster, does not mean it should be like that as the article title for the movie. It should be "from," and it honestly should be moved. But, anyway, IJBall, can we get more eyes on Zendaya? Amaury • 15:02, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Amaury: FYI. There was an RfC about this issue - Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 148#RFC on capitalization of prepositions - basically closed with pretty firm conclusion that "from" is not capitalized but some other exceptions can occur. Discussion noted that local consensus on some popular culture articles will go against MOS when initial passion of interest of fans is high but likely revert to MOS with more time and push to make them conform to the MOS. Article at interest in Zendaya is an examplar. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:09, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- I've requested full protection of the article while this dispute is going on. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:00, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Amaury: FYI. There was an RfC about this issue - Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 148#RFC on capitalization of prepositions - basically closed with pretty firm conclusion that "from" is not capitalized but some other exceptions can occur. Discussion noted that local consensus on some popular culture articles will go against MOS when initial passion of interest of fans is high but likely revert to MOS with more time and push to make them conform to the MOS. Article at interest in Zendaya is an examplar. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:09, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
What is the evidence that that is a co-production with Mexico? I don't see anything at the article that confirms or supports this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:05, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- @IJBall: I see nothing in article that indicates any production tie to Mexico. Looks fully an American production. Show nationality has jumped around a fair amount since the article started. I think people see show theme and think Mexican even if Mexico had no production involvement. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- I would advise keeping an extra eye on this article – the network info in the infobox was straight-up fraudulent, and the "resolution" vandal had obviously hit the article as well. I've done some cleanup – hopefully this will make vandalism easier to spot... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:31, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
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