User talk:Gellemar

Hello, Gellemar! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Silver Edge (talk) 22:55, 25 March 2008 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General - Spam - Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Re: Undoing edits on Lunamaria and Shinn

"if we'll add only that fact that Lunamaria is far less infantile than two other girls Shin tried to protect - will it be acceptable? ... If we'll say that Luna's motion to Shinn is still looking quite strange, even with blaming Logos?" Whether "Lunamaria is far less infantile than two other girls" and whether "Lunamaria's [e]motion to Shinn is still looking quite strange" is point of view and original research, since it can't be verified even when using the anime series as a source.

"If we'll qoute, that even returning from being uncoscious on the Moon he still address to Stellar before Luna?" Well he did have a "vision" of Stella while he was unconscious, so I don't see how him addressing "Stellar before Luna" is relevant.

"All I want to add is at least show, that their affection is looking quite strange for many people and tried to help them to understand the reasons." Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. --Silver Edge (talk) 22:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for tips first of all. It seems to me that in first section we're just misunderstanding where 'obvious' ends and 'original research' begins. E.g. for me if two persons kiss each other and hug and so on is obvious that they have relationships, and if person could not say a word excpet other person's name and look upwards to his eyes is clear sign of infantelism and etc. So with other two qoutes from my original message.

For me it is relevant. As vision is already ended. Returning from traumatic uncoscioussness comes along with desorientaion, but person clearly feels the change in the world. Well difficult to describe. You have to have this experience (not wishing you such experience actually). Also I'll have a look on this episode once again, but as I rememver, he calls Stellar _after_ focusing his eyes. But this should be checked.

And my last para was all about facts. Not research (putting aside how disputable it is), not POV, but facts - to highlight some of them that could help people make their own conclusions. Or not make.

Anyway, thank you. Could you please help me with this major issue - article in Wiki policy on Original Reasearch is quite formal. I need to understand where the boundary line between simple conclusions and OR is placed in Wiki. Regards. Gellemar (talk) 04:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I may have misunderstood some portions of your comment on my talk page and I apologize for that. If you like, you may also post your comments regarding Lunamaria Hawke and Shinn Asuka on their talk pages.

"E.g. for me if two persons kiss each other and hug and so on is obvious that they have relationships," which is true, since every viewer will come to the same conclusion; even though, I don't think any character in the series mentioned that Lunamaria and Shinn were in a relationship (including Lunamaria and Shinn themselves), and they never refer to each other as boyfriend or girlfriend. "and if person could not say a word excpet other person's name and look upwards to his eyes is clear sign of infantelism and etc." I don't know if every viewer will come to the same conclusion on this one.

"For me it is relevant. As vision is already ended. Returning from traumatic uncoscioussness comes along with desorientaion, but person clearly feels the change in the world. Well difficult to describe. You have to have this experience (not wishing you such experience actually). Also I'll have a look on this episode once again, but as I rememver, he calls Stellar _after_ focusing his eyes. But this should be checked." Coincidentally, Phase-50 will be airing tonight (Friday) on YTV, so I'll take another look at it. --Silver Edge (talk) 04:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, these are really busy weeks. Still had no chance to replay this episode. Have you checked it? I did as you suggested in discussion page. Well, let's see what will happen next.Gellemar (talk) 22:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes and I still have it on tape. Shinn says "Stella" while his eyes are still closed, and when he regains consciousness, he sees Lunamaria and says "Lunamaria". --Silver Edge (talk) 04:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I also have it on CD. But always forgetting to check. Anyway, so I was wrong on that scene. Thank you for help.Gellemar (talk) 16:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)