User talk:Gary johnson 53

Gary Johnson Gary johnson 53 (talk) 19:04, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

March 2012

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Ramis Software, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. —Mike moral ♪♫ 03:10, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. I am a software engineer who used Ramis for over 5 years. Ramis stood for the Rapid Access Management Information System. I attended RAMIS user group meetings, took RAMIS training etc. The reviewer took issue with my mentioning that among the folks who used RAMIS, it was also known as "Read All Manuals, Its Someplace" (RAMIS). Where there a vote from former Mathmatica (the vendor of RAMIS) employees and users of Ramis, I am confident that my reference would be said to accurate and widely used. Gary johnson 53 (talk) 19:17, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Gary Johnson (disambiguation)

Hi Gary,

The page Gary Johnson (disambiguation) is a disambiguation page. It is just a way to point to our articles about people named Gary Johnson, not to point to the webpages of everyone named Gary Johnson. As you can imagine, if everyone did that, such pages would quickly become unmanageable. That's why people have been removing the link you added.

I'm also going to add a standard welcome template below, which will give you a little more info about the place. Let me know if you have any questions. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:26, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gary. Just a note to let you know I moved your note to Floquenbeam from his user page to his talk page. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 16:28, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Moved your post

Hey, Gary, just wanted to let you know: I've moved your post on User:Floquenbeam to Floq's talk page at User talk:Floquenbeam. Talk pages are the place to ask questions of editors; we're not usually notified of edits to our user page, and we might miss them altogether. I also took the liberty of responding to it, even though it was a question for Floq. It's no big deal, though; happens all the time. Cheers! :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:30, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

About disambiguation , notability and the search engine era

This topic isn't notable.

This is Gary Johnson, trying to learn more about how to use the wikipedia system. Thanks to WritKeeper, I now know to look for the talk section of the user page to leave a note. I did not figure out to create my own section in the talk.

Its not so much about being notable

as is it is about being searchable or findable. In my case, governor gary johnson goes out of his way to be notable. For any other Gary Johnson to have a chance in the "search engine era" of being notable is an uphill battle. There are other reasons that I wish to have an online presence that is "Searchable". Imagine a gary johnson gets put on the terrorist watch list. Its bad enough that if you did a search in the criminal records for Gary Johnson. The last time I was in routine traffic stop it took a half hour for them to let me go while they determined I was not one of many gary johnsons with outstanding warrants. So in case where we have folks with the same name, and one of the those folks has a media team actively placing articles to enhance his or her notability, maybe its okay for the Gary Johnsons who are Doctors, Lawyers, Scientists, etc be on a disambiguation page.

Is playing one season of pro baseball notable?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson_%28baseball%29 Gary Johnson , Gerald Clyde "Gary" Johnson (born October 29, 1975, in Palo Alto, California) is a former professional baseball player who played one season for the Anaheim Angels of Major League Baseball.

If you search for Gary Johnson baseball, you will see a few gary johnsons, mostly because they publish the rosters. And they are on Wikipedia. Dr Gary Johnsons gets you a slew of Dr Gary Johnsons. If you search for any other combination of terms, the probability of gov gary johnson having over 90% of the hits and the first hits in the search rankings is high I have notable achievements. I could make a case for them in a wikipedia page. I would rather make the case that the rest of us Gary Johnsons deserve a disambiguation page.

Well, I can't really say about the baseball players; there are certain criteria that make one be considered notable regardless of other factors, and having played for a season in a professional sports league bight well be one of them. But you have to keep in mind that searchability isn't the same thing as notability. Governor Johnson isn't notable for having most of the results when you put his name into Google, he's notable for having been a governor. The search thing is a side effect of that. It is not Wikipedia's place to provide a way to increase people's searchability; in fact, we have actively resisted attempts to use Wikipedia for that, as it's a common tactic for spammers. I know you have good intentions, and I applaud you for that, but this is just not what Wikipedia is for. (And as an aside, to your point about terrorist watch lists and warrants, having an article on Wikipedia is not going to help that, and neither is having high visibility on Google, for that matter; the police don't distinguish between similarly-named people through either a Google or a Wikipedia search.) Not to mention the fact that having a list of every single person who has ever been named Gary Johnson is infeasibly daunting, particularly when you consider that one would then have to do the same for every other possible combination of a first name and a last name to keep things fair. It's just not possible. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your points. I will give up on this, but, not before I stress a few points. 1) Search Gary Johnson baseball. One of the reasons a gary johnson baseball player is notable and searchable is you let him on wikipedia. Really , being on wikipedia makes him notable. He is notable because his name is on a roster that some commercial organization publishes and he is on wikipedia. 2) The former governor named gary johnson is most notable for unceasing self promotion than any other accomplishment. Search ability is one of the criteria for notebaility in this era and I have the same name as a champion self promoter. 3) I do not think your giving the disambiguation part of my argument the proper emphasis. You don't have to do it for every possible name combination. Just for folks who are notable, but are not distinct. That's why you have disambiguation, to tell apart similar things, not for things that are already distinct. Gary johnson 53 (talk)

Hi Gary, sorry I didn't to get back to you sooner, I've been swamped in real life, and then lost track of what I was doing and who I was talking to here. I'm glad to see WritKeeper stepped in.

I basically agree with him; I understand what you were trying to do, and it isn't evil or crazy, but it doesn't really mesh with how we do things here. We're an encyclopedia, not a directory, so our purpose isn't to identify all the useful-to-know-about Gary Johnsons out there, our goal is to have articles about the ones who meet our inclusion policy, and then have disambiguation pages to help sort out which article is about which Gary Johnson.

WK has introduced you to our notability policy; I've thought for some time that part of the problem we have with new editors is that we shouldn't call it the "notability policy", but the "inclusion policy". "Notable" has a meaning in the real world, and when we use it in a somewhat different way here, we're bound to confuse people. So if it helps, consider that a page like your sandbox would violate our inclusion policy if it was an article, even if everyone on it was "notable" in the normal human sense of the word.

So Gary Johnson the politician meets our inclusion policy because he has been covered in depth in multiple independent reliable sources. Same goes for the other Gary Johnsons at Gary Johnson (disambiguation). Whether you, yourself, meet our inclusion policy is something I don't know, but the policy is how we would determine it or not, not whether you are notable in the normal human sense of the term. If an article about you wouldn't meet our inclusion policy, then you shouldn't be on the disambiguation page, because that page's only purpose is to help find articles.

I see your point about famous people "drowning out" the web presence of other people with the same name, and I understand that having an article on WP is part of that. But it's kind of always been that way, even pre-internet, and I don't think that's something that can be solved (or even really mitigated) on Wikipedia. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:53, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I found this article helpful http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bypass_your_cache

Is there a similar article on changing text size?

I see this, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-NoSmallFonts.css and this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cacycle/wikEd

but there not the same thing as

Firefox: View Zoom Out + to make smaller Ctrl +-

             zoom In  - to make Bigger Ctrl ++