User talk:Game$howFan

October 2024

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If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at American game show winnings records, you may be blocked from editing. Please stop, or at least explain what you're doing with the changes you're making. Twenty-One is supposed to be spelled out, and your edits are breaking the formatting in the table. Bcschneider53 (talk) 21:10, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you change genres in pages without discussion or sources, as you did at American game show winnings records. Bcschneider53 (talk) 03:42, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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While I am not an administrator and have nowhere near the authority required to impose official restrictions on your editing capabilities, I strongly recommend voluntarily following WP:1RR or even WP:0RR when it comes to the American game show winnings records in order to prevent further conflict. Sirocco745 (talk) 08:32, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

American game show winnings records

Hi, I would rather not take this up at ANI, so I want to at least give you a final chance to explain your edits. What do you believe is "misinformation"?

Jennings' total? The hidden note says the pennies shouldn't be displayed in the grand total unless it's absolutely necessary in the extremely unlikely case a tiebreaker is needed.
Barinholtz? He won his Millionaire episode playing alongside his father, so for consistency with the rest of the table, he receives half of that total, or half a million.
Jeopardy!'s spin-offs are separate programs. Listing them under "Jeopardy!" in the same way as the regular season and tournament play that are part of the syndicated show would be like listing Jennings' Celebrity Wheel of Fortune winnings under regular "Wheel of Fortune." Your edits also introduced an inconsistency as Lisa Ann Walter's winnings still say "Celebrity Jeopardy!", while Barinholtz's are listed under regular Jeopardy! despite the fact that he's appeared on both (separate) programs and won the majority of his total on the celebrity version.
Finally, can you please explain why you are so insistent on "21"? It's Twenty-One. The linked article and opening title reflects this.

--Bcschneider53 (talk) 14:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

when Barinholtz won $1,000,000 for the asl charity, all of it went to it. Not half. 2nd, it doesn't matter if 21 is spelled out or not. Everyone will still get it. 3rd, there was one time when the jeopardy winnings were all combind & not separated because of spin offs. They are not spin offs, they are tournaments. I just want people to know the truth and look at the real results. If you can't appreciate me for doing the right thing, tuff nubs. Game$howFan (talk) 16:48, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I don't think you're listening to what I'm telling you.

1) Barinholtz's win was with his father, therefore it was a team of two winning prize of $1,000,000, not an individual win. To keep it consistent with the rest of the table, Barinholtz is credited with $500,000. It doesn't matter what happens to the money. If it did, we wouldn't include the charity winnings at all.
2) Yes, it absolutely does matter if Twenty-One is spelled out, because that is objectively the show's name. It would be like if I changed "Catch 21" to "Catch Twenty-One." You cannot just rewrite how we reference the show by changing it to something it's not. Unless you can provide multiple significant, verifiable sources that refer to it as "21" and want to propose a move, more power to you. But I'm fairly certain they don't exist since, again, the show's name is "Twenty-One."
3) There is a difference between Jeopardy! spin-offs and tournaments. The Tournament of Champions, Battle of the Decades, IBM Challenge, All-Star Games, etc. are all tournaments that aired as part of the daily syndicated show. Therefore, those winnings are referenced under "Jeopardy!" The GOAT tournament, Celebrity J!, and Masters are all spin-offs. They air as separate television series and, in most cases, even have their own separate articles on this site. Because the spin-offs, while related, are significantly more different in how they're formatted, I think it makes most sense to keep them separate in the table. Again, other Celebrity spin-offs (Wheel of Fortune, Family Feud, etc.) are treated the same way.
4) "Tuff nubs"? Really? What is this, middle school? I appreciate that you think you're "doing the right thing." I'm just trying to keep things civil and explain why the table is formatted the way it is. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 17:36, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ike and his father were both playing for the same charity. Therefore, all $1,000,000 went to it. 2nd, when I watched the Jeopardy "spin offs" they were calling it tournaments. Not spin offs. So technically, the winnings on Jeopardy are all the same. Just at least let me update Ike Barinholtz and Jeopardy & I promise I'll leave Twenty-One alone. Game$howFan (talk) 17:45, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa Ann Walter is credited with $125,000 because she played Millionaire with a team of two that won $250,000. Melissa Joan Hart is credited with $5,000 on Celebrity Family Feud because she won $25,000 with a team of five. Like I said, it does not matter what the winning contestants do with the money. Should Alan Barinholtz go on to appear on more shows, would we give both him and Ike credit for the full million dollars simply because they played together for one charity? Do you see how that would result in an inconsistency throughout the rest of the table?

And again, you can call it whatever you want, the fact remains that Celebrity Jeopardy!, Jeopardy! Masters, and Jeopardy! The Greatest of All Time are different programs from the original syndicated Jeopardy! that airs five days a week. Since the annual Tournament of Champions is a part of that series, those winnings are included under the regular "Jeopardy!" listing. The others listed above are by definition "spin-offs," whether you heard anyone refer to them on the air as such or not. See this sentence from the Celebrity Jeopardy! article itself, which states "Unlike previous iterations of "Celebrity Jeopardy!", which were special editions of Jeopardy!, Celebrity Jeopardy! is a separate entity, airing in a different time slot while regular episodes of Jeopardy! continue to air as normal." --Bcschneider53 (talk) 18:25, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yes, Lisa & Rosie did win $250,000. But they each gave $125,000 for there own charities. Since Ike and alan played for the same charity, it recieved $1,000,000. 2nd, Jeopardy masters GOAT, and Celebrity Jeopardy ARE tournaments, that's what the Jeopardy crew call them. Therefore, they are NOT spinoffs. If people want to look at this article, then they can't be lied too. Why can't you just let me tell the world what the real results are? Game$howFan (talk) 18:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Lied too"? Game$howFan, calm down. Take a deep breath and listen to what I'm trying to explain to you.

The charit(ies) the prize money went to does. not. matter. in this particular case. It is about the money won by contestants as individuals. Both were teams of two, so both have their prizes split evenly in the table. It's as simple as that. Should we give James Holzhauer the entire $175,000 from the Chase? No, because he played as part of a team of three. In that case, the team got the full $175,000 prize, just as the charity got the full $1,000,000 prize. However, to remain consistent, winnings are split evenly for individuals, whether it's civilian contestants or celebrity contestants, and whether that money is pocketed, donated to a single charity, or donated to multiple charities.

Second, see Spinoff (media), which opens with the following text: "A spinoff or spin-off is any narrative work derived from an already existing work that focuses on different aspects from the original work." Again, they can be tournaments AND "spinoffs" at the same time, regardless of what the "Jeopardy crew" call them. They're not mutually exclusive. Masters is derived from the original (Jeopardy!) but focuses on a different aspect from the original (exclusive to all-time great players). GOAT is the same way. Celebrity is the same way. These are, by definition, "spinoffs" whether you have personally heard that term or not.

Finally, your assertion that I am "lying to" this site's readers is simply absurd. How is separating Jeopardy! spinoff winnings from syndicated Jeopardy! winnings "lying to" people? How is noting that Barinholtz and his father "would go on to win the top prize for a $1,000,000 donation to the American Sign Language program" lying to people? Where are the so-called "lies" in the article in its current form? It seems to me the only disagreement we have is on how to format a table. Even if you were deemed in the right here, to suggest that I am "lying" to the public is an incredibly far reach.

Aside from the "Twenty-One/21" issue, I don't think you and I even disagree on all that much here. We both acknowledge what objectively happened on these shows, we just have a difference of opinion on how that should be reflected in this article. In my opinion, the changes you are proposing introduce multiple inconsistencies in the table that will also make it harder for readers to understand. That's why I've held firm and tried to explain my reasoning numerous times in great detail. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 19:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know Holzhauer didn't win all $175,000. That's why I keep trying to add the extra cents to Holzhauer & Jennings. 2nd, on the official Jeopardy website, the "spin offs" are all tournament's. NOT SPIN OFFS! 3rd, the contestants winnings Jeopardy are all combined. They should not be separated. Finally, LET IT GO!!!!! I'M NOT BREAKING ANY RULES!!! I'M JUST TRYING TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THE REAL RESULTS ARE!!!!! IF YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE THAT, EAT MY SHORTS!!!!! Game$howFan (talk) 20:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Game$howFan, I have tried to spell out multiple times how we got to a consensus where the table is formatted in a consistent manner. I have also told you multiple times what a "spinoff" is and that the term is not mutually exclusive with "tournaments" regardless of what Jeopardy!'s official website or on-air personalities call them.

You have responded to my arguments by doing little more than accusing me of lying, accusing me of suppressing the "real results," saying the official name of a program "doesn't matter," and telling me to "eat [your] shorts" because "tuff nubs." The fact that you are the one who just went on an ALL CAPS rant telling me to "let it go" is frankly laughable. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 21:35, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm only gonna say this one more time. I'm. Not. Doing. Anything. Wrong. Why can't you just let me fix the article so people can look at the real results? I'm still gonna keep doing this because I believe in always doing the right thing. If you're not one of those people who believe in that then, go ahead and report me. Game$howFan (talk) 01:45, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of incident noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 02:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some friendly words of advice

Your time on Wikipedia seems to have been stressful for you. We don't want that, and we don't want you not to edit. We just want to help you to adjust to the way things are done on Wikipedia, and to enjoy contributing.

So I suggest you do the following:

Slow down
Take time to read a the guidelines, and follow the tutorial, that others have linked to
Make an edit
Wait and see if it gets changed back
If it is not changed, after a day, make another one
If it is changed, talk to the editor who changed it and ask them to explain.
Ask at WP:Teahouse if anything is not clear
Follow WP:DR if you do not agree with what others say

Good luck! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since I've just seen your messages at the Teahouse, I would like to second Andy's comments here. Nobody wants you to make a pledge that you'll never edit again. We just want you to better understand how this site works and how editors ought to communicate. I've been editing for 12 years and I still make mistakes - even here, going straight into a Level 3 warning without reaching out to you first was too aggressive on my part. My biggest source of frustration was that I made multiple attempts to explain my reasoning in good faith, and I did not believe my efforts were being reciprocated. Judging from your most recent edits, it appears you may now be a bit more open to having those conversations.

If you're no longer interested in becoming an editor, I obviously don't want to force you to stick around if you don't want to. But I would encourage you to heed the advice of others and take a good look at the links they've provided. --Bcschneider53 (talk) 00:11, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]