User talk:GJ 06

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February 2022

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 2022 Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly election. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Venkat TL (talk) 16:15, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

You have to generate a consensus before removing any content, clearly other editors disagreed with your content removal. You are the one edit warring by continously reverting these edits. GJ 06 (talk) 16:20, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@GJ 06 I have disputed the content and its reliability. The disputed content cannot and should not be added to teh article without generating consensus. You are not participating in the talk page consensus building process and re-adding the content without consensus. This is textbook case of Edit warring. Please join the talk page. Venkat TL (talk) 16:28, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 2022 Uttarakhand Legislative Assembly election. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Venkat TL (talk) 18:05, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Please do not add original research or novel syntheses of published material to articles as you apparently did to 2022 Uttarakhand Legislative Assembly election. Please cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. Venkat TL (talk) 18:09, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

The graph is generated in Wikipedia itself, all the data in the graph is sourced in the table below. What exactly are you objecting to? GJ 06 (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

This is not original research or synthesis, nor does it reach any conclusion. Numerous election pages use a graphical summary, stop making pointless arguments about small things. GJ 06 (talk) 18:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL Do we have a consensus?

No, we do not have a consensus yet. I have explained my objections in detail on the UP Elections page. My main objections are, (1)These graphs are not published by any news site. Some Wikipedia editor added it without first generating consensus. They are WP:SYNTH and not allowed by Wikipedia rules. (2)The older Opinion polls need not be reported. No media site reports the old polls. The sample size is not the same. (3)These Opinion polls have been disputed and lack the reliability to be included in Wikipedia. They fail WP:RS criteria. Venkat TL (talk) 08:07, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

1) The graphs are generated in Wikipedia itself, numerous election pages use graphical summary like

•Opinion polling for the 2022 French presidential election •Opinion polling for the 2021 German federal election •Opinion polling for the 2022 Portugese legislative election •2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election These are not original research or synthesis. They do not imply or state any conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. Therefore it does not violate WP:SYNTH.

2) The older opinion polls shows the trend, which party has gained momentum, which party has lost its ground, they are especially useful if they are conducted by the same agency. No one will be confused since dates are mentioned alongside the opinion poll.

3)ABP news is a reliable source. their opinion polls have been used in past in •2021 West Bengal Legislative Assembly election, predicted TMC victory, result: TMC victory •2021 Assam Legislative Assembly election, predicted NDA victory, result: NDA victory. •2021 Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly election, predicted SPA victory, result: SPA victory. •2021 Kerala Legislative Assembly election, predicted LDF victory, result: LDF victory. they do not fail WP:RS criteria. GJ 06 (talk) 08:54, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Even though both of us would like it but the fact remains there is no comparison between India and France. Did French and German opinion poll engage in massive corruption that was exposed in Sting operation? What is the press freedom rank of France and Germany? Indian press freedom rank is 142. Did their Election commission recommend a ban on opinion poll? Election commission of India has suggested that the Pre election opinion polls should be banned. Why should Wikipedia publish these unreliable opinion polls whose authenticity has been disputed. This graph is misleading and not supported by either secondary or primary sources. The Graphs in US elections are also supported by Secondary reliable sources. It is lacking in India and until that happens such graphs cannot be added.

(2) you cannot talk of trend when your sample space is not the same. The details of the sample space is also not disclosed. Just check any US Opinion poll and see how transparent they are regarding their data. Indian opinion polls are a joke in that regard. They are just doing a partisan hack job. And will be soon banned or regulated. To help you in understanding this problem take an example, there are 30% BJP voters and 30% Samajwadi voters. If the Sample space picks up more people from SP Base and in later poll picks up more people from BJP base, then even though there is no real trend, but the graph will mislead the reader into thinking that there is a trend that BJP voters are increasing. This is misleading and Wikipedia being neutral should not do this. Moreover No Opinion poll said that there is trend towards BJP vote increasing even C voter did not say that, so how can you say that in Wikipedia. It will be called WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH and WP:SYNTH

(3)You are free to remove these unreliable polls from those pages. I will not object to it. For the upcoming election, Wikipedia should not be a means of promotion of these parties behind these opinion polls.

There was a Sting operation that exposed these poll agencies accepting money to manipulate polls. This further strengthens the case that Wikipedia should not report these polls.

Manipulation of Opinion Poll: a sting operation by a news channel found that agencies (including CVoter) which conduct opinion polls before elections are willing to tweak their findings for money. It included global giants like Ipsos and CVoter. After the expose, India Today Group suspended its CVoter contract. Venkat TL (talk) 07:36, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Once you have done reading my reply. I suggest you read this below. Very strong and good points are made.

"Akhilesh Yadav Is Correct In Asking For Ban On Opinion Polls". NDTV.com. 26 January 2022.Venkat TL (talk) 11:59, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

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