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Administrators' newsletter – April 2020

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2020).

Guideline and policy news

  • There is an ongoing request for comment to streamline the source deprecation and blacklisting process.

Technical news

Arbitration

  • Following the banning of an editor by the WMF last year, the Arbitration Committee resolved to hold a Arbcom RfC regarding on-wiki harassment. A draft RfC has been posted at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Anti-harassment RfC (Draft) and not open to comments from the community yet. Interested editors can comment on the RfC itself on its talk page.

Miscellaneous

  • The WMF has begun a pilot report of the pages most visited through various social media platforms to help with anti-vandalism and anti-disinformation efforts. The report is updated daily and will be available through the end of May.
Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:00, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Confuse about spam

Hi @Fylindfotberserk, A few days ago my edits were removed by you on north goa page. I was shocked to see that many commercial sites do editing just for links and those are not considered spam for Wikipedia. On those pages, it is clearly listed many booking related contents and no knowledgebase things. I would like to know why those links are not considered as spam so I can improve my editing also — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goadotbiz (talk • contribs) 16:12, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


That's because Goa.biz is not a reliable source. And your user name "Goadotbiz" suggests that you are here spamming it on their behalf, a WP:COI issue. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Multiple Issues tag

Hello, Neha Kakkar's article, which I have recently expanded, have been tagged by you with copy edit and close paraphrasing. I do understand the need for copy editing the article for grammar, since English is not my native language, however I would like to clarify if the issue close paraphrasing addresses the direct quote from the music reviews and interviews, and if so, would be it be an issue if we are taking a potion of it while referring to the person who said/wrote it, and also while giving the citation to the original source. I want to clarify this since I am currently trying to expand Jonita Gandhi's article and I will minimise the use of direct quoting if it is an issue. Thanks. FathiNaseer (talk) 17:09, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

@FathiNaseer: Thanks for communicating. I found substantial copyvios (50%) using a tool. Direct quoting is not required always. It makes the article bloated unnecessarily. Although I appreciate your work, the Neha Kakkar article has become quite bloated. It would be better if you remove unnecessary trivial things including each and every quote. We don't want the article to be an autobiography of Kakkar. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:14, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Thanks for the reply. I referred to some Featured Articles of vocalists like Mariah Carey and Taylor Swift for the sub-sections and the main contents. Their articles were very detailed, so I thought it would be better if I look up to a Featured Article and follow a similar structure. But I would definitely minimise the inclusion of quotes. Thanks again. FathiNaseer (talk) 17:22, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
@FathiNaseer: You are most welcome. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:26, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
@FathiNaseer: Oh.. and remove words like peppy song etc, these are not encyclopedic. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:31, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Definitely won't repeat it. Do let me know if there is anything else that I need to avoid from my future edits. FathiNaseer (talk) 17:33, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
@FathiNaseer: Thanks for understanding. I hope you know all of the policies of Wikipedia. I'll send a welcome message with useful links. Keep up the good work. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:38, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Unfortunately, there is one more tag today in the same article which says "This article reads like a press release or a news article or is largely based on routine coverage or sensationalism". If you are not busy, could you please help me to identify how I can minimise these edits being tagged for the same. FathiNaseer (talk) 12:10, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
@FathiNaseer: It means that the article is not overtly promotional but looks like a news article. See the template documentation here here. You can change some of those or you can wait for others, members from copyrighters guild to come and check it. The tags will prompt them. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:26, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Alright, Thanks :) FathiNaseer (talk) 12:29, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
@FathiNaseer: If your additions are properly sourced, then don't worry, they'll not get removed, apart from trivial and unnecessary things. IMO most of the text will get reworded and rearranged. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:33, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk:I wrote the above in our discussion page below this but it automatically came to this page when I hit the publish button.

Please check into this as well if it's not a problem. Dinopce (talk) 11:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the wikipedia pages which have been deleted...

Hello,

I came across an article which used links of Wikipedia pages in that article's 'References' section.

The following article contains Wikipedia page links IN RED.

http://srivastavaak.blogspot.com/2010/05/kayastha.html?m=1

When they were added,those pages were there and working Now,they aren't!

Why is it so?

Can somebody delete entire pages on wikipedia?

Please take out time to check into this matter. Dinopce (talk) 20:26, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Dinopce: Only Yama Samhita article was deleted, citing non-notability. The other red-links were not created before. You can create them. I've added a reference to the new entry "Satyendra Prasanna Sinha" you added in the Kayastha article. Hope it is OK. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:45, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
@User:Fylindfotberserk:I had a chat with a person on Gmail. He included a few lines on his blog from Wikipedia's 'Vyom Samhita' article(according to him).
His statement below that he wrote to me on gmail:
Dear .....(my original name),
"I actually took this quote from the internet wikipedia of 'Vyom Samhita'. Presently I am serfing on the net and am unable to get even the original/translated text of' 'Vyom Samhita' ,still could not find the same and so I am reading the vedas to get some insight into it.I will come back to you once I get any authentic answer."
The above is the reason as to why I enquired about this.
Thanks for adding the reference to S.Prasanna Sinha. Dinopce (talk) 11:14, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
@User:Fylindfotberserk: I wrote the above in our discussion page below this but it automatically came to this page when I hit the publish button.

Please check into this as well if it's not a problem.

Why is my text going to the discussion page above this page automatically? Dinopce (talk) 11:22, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
@Dinopce: Don't know exactly, but weird things are happening. A friend of mine in Wikipedia from Australia says that his internet connection is slowing down. It is possible that due to less people venturing out of their homes, including technical people, some bugs are getting undetected. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:59, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Dinopce (talk) 12:28, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

@User:Fylindfotberserk: Once again it went above this discussion page.:) @User:Fylindfotberserk:

Coming back to my question here. I hope that Wikipedia articles can't be erased by Hacking and that kind of the Wikipedia articles have been erased from wikipedia via hackers in the past.
The person who wrote the email to me is an old person. He wouldn't lie.
I'm writing this in our discussion page"Regarding the wikipedia pages....". I think it will once again go to the previous discussion page above this one once I hit the 'Publish' button.
Dinopce (talk) 12:38, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Not you only, many editors commenting here have this problem. I on the other hand never faced this when I commented on other's talk pages. Probably something to do with connection, browser, java, etc. Do you have a mobile connection? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:42, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive Hong Kong editor

Hey here, re: this reversion of yours, the IP editor is a long-term disruptive user from Hong Kong. They tend to be focused on Himesh Reshammiya-related articles, and they typically do weird shite like add excessive duplicate wikilinks for Reshammiya, or in these edits, they manage to incorrectly capitalise a slew of common nouns. They've been at this for years and their incompetence is no difference from vandalism. I'd appreciate it if you'd keep an eye out, please. Thanks and regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Thanks for the information sir. I think I crossed paths with this fellow before. I'll keep an eye. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Regarding fatehpur and ewing christian college

You should not erase the edits made by me Shwvivek20 (talk) 07:45, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Shwvivek20: Why do you think so? I clearly explained the reason. We do not add names of people who do not have articles. Establish notability by creating articles of those people. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:02, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Reference Tool Help

Hi, Fylindfotberserk. I've noticed you regularly clean up references using tools/scripts. I was wondering if you know of any tools for updating cite web or cite news templates to add wikilinks for the website/newspaper parameters? For eg, changing newspaper=The Hindu to newspaper=[[The Hindu]]. I ask because I've been expanding the article Kumbalangi Nights for a while now without, rather foolishly, linking any of the publications in the references and now there are too many to fix manually. Thanks, GinaJay (talk) 16:57, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@GinaJay: I'm not aware of any tools/scripts that does this kind of a thing. I wikilink them manually if the reference sources are relatively unknown or regional. I don't do it for Times of India, The Hindu, Indian Express, Manorama, etc since they are kinda known. It is also unnecessary, since these can be confusing for a reader that tries to verify the source, multiple blue-links to click. Thanks for asking though. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Oh alright. Thanks for your time! GinaJay (talk) 17:26, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

sami sokpuppetry

You are probably aware about User:Muhammad Samiuddin Qazi (sami) and his cronic sockpuppetry since the past year (seeing you filed reports about it). The user and his socks and IPs have been pushing an Urdu POV on many articles especially relating to India. Can I ask you to keep an eye on Category:Actresses in Urdu cinema, Category:Actresses in Urdu television, Category:Male actors in Urdu cinema which these IP/socks have added in many articles on Indian actors who have not worked in the Urdu films/television at all. Thanks. I have tried to clean this mess for now. Gotitbro (talk) 11:08, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: Sure. I have this in my watchlist. That incorrigible person I tell you. Thanks for re-raising the IP range block request. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:43, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes, that is one serious abuser. Thankfully the recently used IP ranges have been blocked (see SPI) but I am still not sure if that is enough to stop this. Can you also keep your eye out for Category:Territorial disputes of Pakistan that has been heavily added by socks/IPS to articles and categories of places in India that have no such disputes. The category should be limited to the ones its currently populated with if its found/added anywhere else its most likely sami or another vandal. Gotitbro (talk) 13:41, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
@Gotitbro: Also in Category:Delhi, Category:Uttar Pradesh, etc. I believe he's in a spree to connect every region with significant Muslim population or anything related to Urdu or Islam with Pakistan. His most edits seem to be concentrated in articles related to the Muhajirs and Sindh. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:15, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Can you watchlist the Zaira Wasim and Durand line articles. They have been subject to Pakistani POV disruption by the long term abuser Hassan guy through his IPs and socks (see the LTA report for the IP ranges). See my reverts on the articles for the kind of POVPUSH by these IPs. Thank you. Gotitbro (talk) 13:45, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: No problemo! - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:47, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: Can I ask you to keep an eye The Jungle Book (TV series), The Jungle Book (TV series) another Indian entertainment (animation) articles this guy's trying to disrupt. Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 11:41, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
This one, Chaplin & Co, as well. The puppeteer seems hell bent on removing mentions of animated series produced in India and replacing them with Pakistan. Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 20:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
@Gotitbro: OK. Are you done with the Arunachal Pradesh article? I'd like to do some cleanup/maintenance work. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:50, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
Sure, go ahead. Gotitbro (talk) 11:11, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
The Hassan Guy LTA has also been targeting 2001–02 India–Pakistan standoff, please see if you can keep an eye on that for any edits from the IP ranges listed at the LTA page. Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 17:21, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Goalpara/North Bengal

There was always an Assam, it was known as Kamarupa (Pragjyotisha), just known by different names ! Ahom kingdom was established after the 9000 tai men that arrived mixed with the local ethnicities, thus the Ahom kingdom, if someone have Assamese blood running through their veins, then they are not 'invaders'.

      • Bodo-Kacharis are one of the SEVERAL Kachari groups, the current CM of Assam is a Sonowal-Kachari. & Boros are majority only in a small part of Northwestern Assam. Majority of the Assamese are of Kachari origin, except for Indo-Aryan groups like Kalitas, Brahmins (Bamuns) etc. So majority of the Assamese are aboriginals except for the Indo-Aryans & Tai ethnic groups.

Sir Edward Gait clearly mentioned the king of Gaud was of Koch or Kachari origin from current Western Assam (or so called North Bengal). Gaud itself is of Assam origin. And for Sikkim, that's clearly Nepal. ***Nepali is not an ethnic group just like Assamese is not. Being a Wiki-editor you should know this very well. The word Nepali is used to address several ethnic groups of both Mongoloid & Indo-Aryan Nepali groups, just like in Assamese. & Sikkim was a part of Nepal since the Kirat era populated by some Nepali ethnic groups. Nepal & Assam shares long history thus many similarities since the Kirat era. One remained independent & the other became a part of India.

      • And Koch-Rajbonshis of North Bengal clearly don't consider themselves Bengalis but consider themselves as an indipendent ethnic group, they are confused because of Koch-Behar was a vessal state of the Mughal empire. Unlike Koch-Hajo which was populated by several Assamese ethnic groups & free for most of the time. And Koch-Rajbonshis in Assam clearly consider themselves Assamese because their history is not diluted.

This wasn't my POV, that's real history. Unlike many Bengali settlers who are claiming North Bengal as well as most of Western Assam of Bengal origin. I've met many Bengalis online who claims places like Goalpara, Barpeta etc as Bengal. Tizen03 (talk) 13:02, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Listen, I told you to be objective. If you find something not mentioned in the text, remove it with a comment like "unsourced". You don't have to show your Nationalistic Preferences in the edit summary. That can get you blocked in the future.
Coming to point, there was never an Assam before Ahoms came, it was always Pragjyotisha or something else.
Edward Gait was a British administrator not a historian, British sources are never considered reliable in Wikipedia.
Kingdom of Nepal and Sikkim always had battles when it came to Darjeeling. You cannot clump all East Asian looking people and say that they are a common entity. Just because your neighbor looks like you doesn't mean that their region belong to you. They always fought, just like any other group. It is an established fact that Lepchas are the original settlers of the Darjeeling region. All the others like Sikkimese, Tamangs, Newars, Rais, Gurungs, Khas, Gurkhas, Limbus, are later immigrants. If you start assuming that some region is yours, no wonder the Chinese sometimes claim that the whole north-east is their territory (likely based on Ahom expansions).
The North Bengal is a huge land. Palas, the first patrons of the Bengali language were from Varendra (North Bengal). There are multiple instances of their presence in Dinajpur, etc.
Read properly, I said Rajbanshis do not consider themselves as Assamese. They are a separate ethnic group, but a lot of times they would identify as Bengalis, when outside of their state. I've seen that in Delhi, Punjab (in my college). That being said, Rajbanshis are nothing like Bodo-Kacharis they claim to descended from. 50% of their paternal Y-DNA lineage is from mainland Indians, from neighboring Bengali, Nepali and Bihari populations. Rest is East Asian, like the Bodo-Kacharis.
For the last time, do not bring this type discussions to my talk page. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:47, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chitraguptavanshi_Kayastha Dinopce (talk) 17:07, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Blank

@User:Fylindfotberserk :YUP. I use a mobile connection.:) Does it make a difference?
Probably. Have you seen that you edited in the "Blank" section created by me for the purpose, instead of the one below?
@User:Fylindfotberserk :After the lockdown, plz check into this matter,in depth,at your own convenience!
If people have used references of wikipedia articles to write their blogs,then there might have been pages in Wikipedia with those names that are IN RED in the link that I provided.
Why would anyone use the REFERENCES OF BLANK WIKIPEDIA PAGES IN THEIR BLOG? It doesn't make any sense to add blank wikipedia pages. Dinopce (talk) 13:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
It is becasue the article likely existed in main page before when Mr. Srivastav created his blog, but it was deleted by admins later for being non-notable (that's the rationale they gave). - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
I didn't write anything in the 'Blank' discussion page. I wrote everything in the "Regarding the wikipedia pages..." discussion page.
I'm writing this as well in the "Regarding the wikipedia pages...." discussion page but I'm sure that once I hit the publish button,it'll go to the blank discussion page.
I think it's going to the discussion page immediately above this one.
Since you've created a blank discussion page as a buffer, it's going in it,I guess. Dinopce (talk) 17:14, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
@Dinopce: That was my big idea . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:15, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Nice to know. :)
If you'd have been Indian,I'd have cracked a joke here.
Eg:Do you eat a lot of Mentos?
But since you're a foreigner,you might not understand that much about this. Dinopce (talk) 17:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Dinopce (talk) 11:56, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
@User:FylindfotberserkHi.

Can I ask this same question from other editors as well by citing our discussion here?

Can I do that if it's not a problem to you?
Read your profile properly. You're from India itself. Dinopce (talk) 12:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
@Dinopce: "दिमाग की बत्ती जला दे" . You can refer to this discussion. No probs. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:17, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
By question,I meant our discussion in the "Regarding the wikipedia pages......" Dinopce (talk) 12:35, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Dinopce (talk) 12:36, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
@Dinopce: Yeah. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:37, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
@User:Fylindfotberserk

Hi. I need your help at one place.

Can you create a blank page btw 'Kayasth Brahmin or Brahma-Kayastha' and 'Kayastha Ethnology'? Dinopce (talk) 17:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chitraguptavanshi_Kayastha Dinopce (talk) 17:07, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

@Dinopce:I can't, I have no sources on this. Secondly, not necessary since Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha article already notes that it is synonymous with it. It would be a case of WP:REDUNDANTFORK and the article will get removed. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
I couldn't understand your message.
I want you to create a BLANK DISCUSSION FOLDER SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT YOU'VE CREATED HERE. I don't want my message that I want to paste in the Kayasth Brahmin or Brahma-Kayastha page to go to the 'Protection' page.
Are you trying to say that you only have rights to do such things like creating a blank page, in your own talk page and not in the main article's talk page? Dinopce (talk) 17:41, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Protection' folder in the talk page of the Chitraguptavanshi Kayastha Page. Dinopce (talk) 17:45, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
I want you to create a buffer blank folder in the talk page of CKayastha.
This blank folder should be btw the Kayastha Brahmin and Kayasth Ethnology folder. Dinopce (talk) 17:48, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
@Dinopce: I got it. You meant a new section. I thought you asked me to create a separate article lol. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:50, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the folder. You understood something else initially,I reckon. Dinopce (talk) 17:51, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

@Dinopce: Welcome. Have fun . - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:53, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
Why will I want you to create a separate article?
It's known as a 'section'? UNDERSTOOD. Will call it a section from today onwards.
Thanks Dinopce (talk) 17:54, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
In any talk page, there is a button at the top called "new section", clicking which would allow you to create a new section with a header and a text box for discussion. Regards - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:59, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

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About Komati origins

These komatis have a habit of lying that they are Aryans. So "origin" section is needed to set the record straight.

This is about Komati caste Wikipedia article.

You previously reverted my edits Amarark001 (talk) 06:54, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Good Article status

I'm not at all in hurry, but i feel P. V. Sindhu's article has reached the Good Article Status. You can give me further instructions if some more information/improvement is required in the Article. Thanks. Zoglophie (talk) 07:26, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

  • Please don't respond to this message for now, I will be away from Wikipedia for a while due to some issues, we shall discuss this after some time. Thankyou. Zoglophie (talk) 17:36, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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