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Alive 2006/2007 Tour

Regarding your recent edit to the article, please keep in mind that the 2006 live performances were not initially referred to as "Alive 2006". Feel free to visit Talk:Alive 2006/2007 Tour if you wish to discuss the matter. just64helpin (talk) 11:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

After doing a quick check, it turns out "Tour" isn't part of the actual name of the tour. The article has been moved to reflect this. Again, feel free to visit Talk:Alive 2006/2007 if you have any concerns. just64helpin (talk) 12:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your use of piped links, see WP:PIPE. Also, please do not capitalize seasons of the year. just64helpin (talk) 03:42, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Please also note that "thus retroactively renaming" reads like an O.R. conclusion and is misleading. just64helpin (talk) 03:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Again, please refrain from misleading piped links. For example, Lollapalooza is not referred to as "Lollapalooza Festival", as "Festival" is not part of the name. Please also keep in mind that "Encore" is not a name; the track simply consists of an encore. Feel free to contact me if you have any concerns. just64helpin (talk) 18:29, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

The problem is whether "Lollapalooza Festival" is a widely used alternative name, if it is even used at all. If it is not, it should not be used in the article. Wikipedia should not invent new formats. just64helpin (talk) 01:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

It seems like we're going into WP:MOSTM territory. A lot of people call the iPod "Apple iPod", but the official name is still just "iPod". The phrase "Lollapalooza festival" is just as effective as "Lollapalooza Festival" as they both identify it as a festival, but the former avoids any naming issues or ambiguity. just64helpin (talk) 02:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

By the way, is the festival actually called "RockNess Festival"? The logo just says "RockNess". just64helpin (talk) 02:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

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September 2009

Dear Freak.scenery. I found a problem in the Tour of the Universe (Depeche Mode tour) article. It's in the variations boxes. When I open a variation box (Example: Israel and Europe, Leg #1 and select the variation #1), the all variations of the other Leg (In this case North America) disappear. I don't know what is happening so I contact you to resolve the problem, because I don't know what to do. Thank you

It appears this is an issue with web browsers. Google Chrome and Mozilla Firefox display the boxes correctly, while Internet Explorer does not.

Sign up for an account on Wikipedia and "Try Beta" through the link at the top of the page. I tested this through IE and the boxes worked as normal. Otherwise, you could change web browsers. (Freak.scenery (talk) 10:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC))

WP:MOSFLAG

Per WP:MOSFLAG, we don't add flag icons merely for decoration. Please refrain from adding these icons from tour articles. Thanks. --Madchester (talk) 20:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

We don't add flag icons merely for asthetics. The tables already identify the country that each concert took place - so a flag icon on top of that is redundant at best.

WP:MOSFLAG states Do not emphasize nationality without good reason - adding country flags give undue emphasis on where the tour took place. I can understand placing flag icons next to a list of Olympic medallists as those individuals are reprsenting their respective countries, but that's just over-emphashsis for the location of concert venues. Also, the policy states we should not Accompany flags with country names... as readers are not familiar with all national flags... it also leads to issues for colour-blind readers.

--Madchester (talk) 22:10, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Tour setlists

1. Please provide reliable souces and inline citations when adding details. For example, the Tour of the Universe (Depeche Mode tour) article contains 24 setlists, but none of them are reliably sourced or detailed.
2. Per WP:NOT#FAQ we don't compile statistics like "Song X" was played Y times; "Album Z" had the most songs on the setlist, etc. Nor do we include each and every setlist variation played during a tour. If such details are to be included, they should be written in prose format. See U2_360_Tour#Concert_setlists_and_show_themes on how to describe the diversity of songs played, without resorting to multiple lists. Or you can keep the "standard" setlist (with reliably sources and citations) and add a prose section describing the changes throughout the tour.

Thanks. --Madchester (talk) 20:26, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Touring the angel

Hello. As regards Article touring the angel, the number of countries that the group made for the tour is really 31, you can count himself from the list of tour date. Please do not edit the article, nor remove references as formally touch depeche mode in 31 countries, not counting the gigs in countries that are canceled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscar.dm (talk • contribs) 02:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Please, my information is backed by a reference in your case includes a reference if you really think you are 32 countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscar.dm (talk • contribs) 02:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC) Please do not remove references to verify that the information is real.

Tour of the universe

Please do not remove references to verify that the information is real.

In the article Tour of the Universe, I ask that no information removed because it does not allow the progress of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscar.dm (talk • contribs) 03:15, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

do not remove information, the information is real and try to complete the description of the tour, not that I removed each enter information in the article.

stop removing real information, the article must be complete.

Tour Proyections

there is no reason to delete the section of projections, your attitude does not allow the progress of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscar.dm (talk • contribs) 14:50, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

if you want the tour of the universe article is comprehensive and detailed, you must have this information.

I think the reader should know what is a projection and displayed on a screen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscar.dm (talk • contribs) 18:03, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

is clear that this is what is given to understand. but all can work on the article and offer their different ideas for the advancement of the article, if you do not stop to integrate the article, you can improve what you feel bad, but do not eliminate that would not be a complete and detailed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscar.dm (talk • contribs) 20:30, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Formatting and linking

Hi. You should look at WP:OVERLINK and WP:MOSDATE to see why the changes you are making are being reverted. Please let me know if you need further help. --John (talk) 01:34, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

WP:OVERLINK#Repeated links states that such use of linking is acceptable in tables. I do not think links to cities and countries are redundant at all for such articles.

WP:MOSDATE has no objection to a month, day, year format. Is your reason due to the fact that the articles concern a British subject? Again, it states that this is a "rule of thumb". My argument is that, in this respect, dealing with dates on long lists of tables, the month-day-year format is easier on the user's perceptual input. (Freak.scenery (talk) 02:25, 23 December 2009 (UTC))

Thanks for your opinions on these. I would go with the MoS on matters of style though; there is a central consensus not to link or date format like this. I'd say that if you want these articles to diverge from these centralized norms, the onus would be on you to demonstrate why, for example, repeated links to countries aid the reader. As a UK subject I think dmy would be the norm, as you say. Pending any consensus or obvious utilitarian reason to keep these links, I'd suggest leaving them. Thanks, and you can let me know if you are starting a centralized discussion. Talk:Depeche Mode might be the best, if we need to seek other opinions. Best, --John (talk) 02:33, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Why do this? What do these extra links offer? --John (talk) 05:35, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

December 2009

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When you made this edit, you restored a section which fails WP:NOR. Please be more careful in future. If you want to add something like this you would have to find a reputable source for it. --John (talk) 23:09, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I've started a discussion at Talk:Depeche Mode which I suggest you join. --John (talk) 23:16, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

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World Magnetic tour

Hi. The reason that I edit the legs together is because they are the same continent. In my opinion, it is unnecessary to divide the dates up even more. On the band's website, they clearly announce each new visit to continents as a tour. So I am actually re-editing the dates as the band puts them. Please write back your thoughts on this. We should make an agreement that we both accept. Thank You

At least keep Australia and New Zealand as one whole. Becuase as you could see, I didn't write them as "legs", I just wrote "Australia and New Zealand". The ACDC page for the "Black Ice World Tour" shows what I mean.

I'm actually from Melbourne, and I've been waiting for Metallica to return for 6 years. I think that me, along with other people here, enjoy seeing a triumphant leg of long shows from Metallica. I was trying to enforce that, because it really is a long tour here from Metallica, at least thats what I think they're intending. So if it could be a long leg, not divided in two, it would make me feel a lot happier. Also, the time between Europe legs #5 and #6 is about 2 weeks, so isn't that one leg?

I get that, but it's not like you own the page, other people should have the freedom to have input. I've been editing this page since the tour started. Have you?

Ok, no problem.

It just seems to me that if the legs are consecutive, shouldn't it be together. For example, Latin America 2010 or something like Latin America, January '10 - March '10. What do you think, is that a good way to organize the tour?

Yea, I know what you're saying. What if the year wasn't in the header. It could read something like "Israel and Europe, April - June", or "Australia and New Zealand, October - November". This way, people will know that the dates are in the same continent and that it's a tour.

Do you think the example I showed with the Oceania legs is a cool way to organize the tour??

I'll show you the whole tour, or at least I'll try. Then let me know what you think, if you don't like it I'll change it back right away.

Actually, I think I understand your point of view now. That template should be used on the other Metallica tours too.

Franticflare14 Franticflare14 (talk) 22:43, 17 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Franticflare14 (talk • contribs) 22:41, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit war

Please read WP:EDITWAR and WP:3RR and desist from making any more reverts unless there is a consensus discussion in talk. Thanks. --John (talk) 21:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

My reason to insist on changing the article is that your way of changing the article is not ordered, is more orderly if the leg are made separately with the act of support for the leg.

My reason is that the stages of the tour are better separated and not all together. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.20.133.192 (talk) 22:28, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

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You're a genius. The table looks so much better now. Thank you! C628 (talk) 15:52, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Tour table

You seem not to udnerstand how the table syntax works. If no width or font size is specified, the table defaults to the standard width and font size that fit perfectly well. There is no reason to specify a width in this case, and how wide it displays (for example, in relation to the lead text) will depend entirely on how wide your window is (try shrinking your window and see for yourself). Forcing a table width is only necessary when you are fitting it alongside text or other items, which is not the case here. --IllaZilla (talk) 19:46, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

That's fine, I see that now, I was trying to avoid the tables getting as wide as they appear in this revert: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=21st_Century_Breakdown_World_Tour&oldid=434314823. (Freak.scenery (talk) 22:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC))

These tables are now far too cramped and narrow. I've avoided forcing the wikitable to a specific percentage and made the "city" and "country" columns a little smaller. The extra space on the right should compensate for any browser issues should there be any. (Freak.scenery (talk) 15:14, 27 June 2011 (UTC))

They are exactly as wide as necessary for the text that they contain. There is really no aesthetic or technical reason for them to be wider than their contents. There is also no reason to have a separate table for "cancelled dates" that only includes (and will only ever include) 1 item. The single cancelled date can simply be (and is) mentioned in the lead. You basically just reverted to an earlier version, which I don't consider to be in very good faith. --IllaZilla (talk) 15:48, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Faith in what? Can one not seek a middle ground here? There are dozens of concert tour articles on Wikipedia which contain boxes that force widths, so is this matter not a subjective one? Aesthetically, the columns (specifically the "country" column) are cramped (the longest country text is "United Kingdom"). Why waste all the wonderful (white) space when the table can be made easier and clearer to follow, and not made to look like a squeezed orange?

The single cancelled date is included for consistency among Wikipedia concert tour articles, as the majority of concert tour articles which include dates which were cancelled mention these in a separate section in the lower half of the article. Of course it's apparent that the reason it has been removed is because, with the format that you have insisted on, it looks cramped: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=21st_Century_Breakdown_World_Tour&oldid=434533685#Cancelled_dates. No consistency between the two boxes because of this. (Freak.scenery (talk) 20:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC))

Whether it looks "cramped" or "like a squeezed orange" is entirely your opinion. It doesn't look cramped at all to me, rather I find that having a blank stretch of nothing between one data set and the next merely makes scanning across rows more difficult; I certainly don't think it looks "wonderful". As for the cancelled date, the alleged consistency isn't based on any sound argument. Why does there need to be an entirely separate table for a single point of data? There doesn't. It's just clutter. "Other articles do it this way" isn't a good reason because (A) as far as I know there are no style guidelines in place for tour articles, and (B) I imagine for the most part that articles with separate section for cancelled dates likely include more than just a single date. In this case it's a table just for the sake of having an extra section, and I don't think that's a good reason at all. --IllaZilla (talk) 18:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Please observe WP:3RR and discuss rather than edit-warring. --IllaZilla (talk) 19:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, we're in a conundrum then, because I found it difficult to read the table with your changes. "United Kingdom" and "Wembley Stadium", for instance, were so close together that I could barely see the line that divides these two items. A clear, readable table should be uniform, and two sets which denote location ("City" and "Country") fit to different widths. In reality, there is little difference between the other two sets ("Date" and "Venue") in your changes.

As for listing the cancelled date, while I do agree a box is unnecessary for one item of data, I stand by my point that a precedence has been set with other articles of this kind, to list known cancelled or rescheduled dates at the bottom of the completed date listings. Perhaps the cancelled date can be presented in the same way it is at the end of the listings on this page, with or without a heading.

By the way, I never quoted the box as looking "wonderful"; read my message again. I was only made aware of your entry here until after I had reverted the page, so don't accuse me of edit-warring, especially when you couldn't be bothered to respond to my message in the first place. (Freak.scenery (talk) 15:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC))

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