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I have some things I would like to e-mail you. If you e-mail me your address (or enabled the e-mail option in your preferences, I would send it to you. Best. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:05, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you put

something, anything, on your user page than your name will appear as a blue link rather than as a red one and this is usually (opinion) considered to be a good thing. Carptrash (talk) 22:51, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Carptrash.

Catalog numbers

The label section of an Infobox is not where a catalog number goes. I know it's all with good intentions, but the number would only be referenced in a thorough album article in a "Release" section usually in parentheses. I removed the ones in the Zombies albums, so if you could remove the rest that would be appreciated.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 07:18, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to say but those albums and songs are also incorrect for placing the number in the label section of the infobox. Like I said, I know you weren't intentionally doing anything wrong so read this Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style guide and it should tell nearly everything you need to know about album articles.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 15:40, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The albums by the Ventures not yet in an article I'm safe to say are notable since many of them charted and the band itself is among the most popular acts of its time. Nationally charting albums are always notable no matter what. Still, non-charting albums can easily be allowed if it's written well and sources are good. Honestly, most of the album articles I created never charted, but not a single one has been deleted, so as long as it's detailed I'm sure your ideas won't be dismissed either.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 17:31, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, if you ever need an album cover image let me know and I can get you one included to an article. Sorry if it seemed I was nitpicking before, but I think you are a helpful user, and it's only some small stuff that needed a little adjustments. We need more users interested in this kind of music. If you wanted to talk to someone with similar musical tastes, User:Garagepunk66 is the first person I'd recommend.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:46, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I heard rumors of that event, but I wasn't sure if it was true until you brought it up. I'm sure if a photograph existed it would be worth literally a thousand words. I have always loved her guts and boldness in what was a male-dominated profession. Unfortunately, I was born way after her retirement from music so I haven't seen her, but I have seem Jefferson Starship on several occasions.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:58, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed you are having difficulties creating the album article. If you'd like, I could repair the article and create for you. I could accept some questions from you as well if you have any. I've worked on a good share of albums I've created or edited extensively so I can be of assistance.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:05, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well here is what I would do: The first two references need replacements, particularly discogs, which is not considered reliable. The Allmusic ref can replace it because track listings don't need sources. Here are some other refs I found that you can use (I strongly recommend the first one): [[1]]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Twist with the Ventures (August 27)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Twist with the Ventures (September 17)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Twist with the Ventures (January 4)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Twist with the Ventures (January 8)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by SwisterTwister was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage about the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject—see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics and the golden rule. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

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The Ventures album

I see you're still trying to create the Ventures' album, via submission. The people denying you are "biting a newcomer", plain and simple. The album charted which instantly makes it worthy and anyone with basic knowledge on music articles knows it. I realize it isn't a big article, but I don't think that was your intention anyways. Just create the article without the submission process, it will not be deleted unless someone wants to blatantly defy Wikipedia policy.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 20:06, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To elaborate, you send your draft to articles for submission. Instead create a redlink to the titled album (which is just a Wikilink that doesn't have an article yet). Click the redlink and it will ask you to create an article. Copy and paste your work and you will have your article.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:00, 12 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Quick note

I know I am a little late telling you this, but regarding the Little Girl album, it is notable. You see, any album which charts nationally (even if it was just at number 200 on Billboard for a week) is considered notable per wiki's standards for music articles. I just wanted you to know because I didn't want a technicality stopping you from writing the article if you wanted to in the future.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:44, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Garage rock task force

I am considering creating a garage rock task force page and was wondering if you would want to participate when it is completed. It essentially is a group page used to direct topics involving garage rock.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:47, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Carptrash notified me of the issue you had with messaging me. My talk page is extended-user protected, to protect from persistent vandalism. From what I take, you are interested in joining the project, and I thank you so much for that. I will message you when the page is up and running. If you have questions, Garagepunk66's talk page is open, and I have it watchlisted.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 20:17, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, the task force is up and running here. Please add yourself and feel free to add the userbox available there.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:33, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

		The Music Barnstar
		Thank you for your contributions to the task force, particularly in improving Shadows of Knight album articles. Hopefully we can help popularize garage rock-related pages and recruit more editors like you to the project!TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:57, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PS - In the future, if you create an article related to garage rock (like ones listed on the to-do list) I encourage you to add a message to the project talk page to alert other editors. Thank you!TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:57, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for all of your work at the Garage rock task force and so many of its related articles. Your presence has made a big difference. I appreciate your interest in this music and I hope that you continue to contribute. Keep it up! Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Track listings

Hi, please leave album track listings showing "side one" and "side two" as they are, per the WP:ALBUMS style guide. Thanks, Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:11, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Direct quote from the style guide to which you linked: "Albums originally released primarily on vinyl or cassette should similarly list the tracks of each side separately under sub-headings named "Side one" and "Side two"." Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:23, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No worries – sometimes guidelines hide advice away in the text, and this is a case in point. All the best, Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:28, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello!

Just droppin' in to say hello, Zappa Twin. Hope everything is coming along well. Much gratitude as always. Garagepunk66 (talk) 01:27, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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@AntiCompositeNumber:I believe that this has been taken care of. If not, please let me know what else can be done. Obviously this is an inadvertant error. Frankzappatwin (talk) 08:33, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All good! I removed the tag from the image. Thanks! --AntiCompositeNumber (Ring me) 13:15, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SONGCOVER discussion

Hi – you may be interested in this discussion on the Project Songs talk page. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:04, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello It's Me (couldn't resist), It's awhile ago, but I think I got it from the main Nazz discography page, which isn't referenced either. Chadwholovedme (talk) 23:01, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not sure what the best option would be for citing this, but you can view the info about the Jan and Dean single at Google Books Oldiesmann (talk) 03:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Leon Redbone

Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. It's never appropriate to remove reliably cited prose in articles in favor of mere lists of personnel and songwriters. I have reverted your edits and I ask that you not remove reliably cited information again. It's fine to add personnel sections but not at the expense of the main body of the article. Thanks. Take care. Caro7200 (talk) 12:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't fault the section for not being reliably cited prose, but the addition of the personnel section made some of the information redundant. I refer you to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice; specifically to the section "Top of the Article". While it lists producers in the Wiki article, I had left that information in, as well as the closing sentence regarding the album title. References to individual musicians on the album are not necessary when they are listed under personnel. There is a article somewhere that delves into this in a more specific manner, but I don't have the time to look for and refer you to it.

However it is a well-written section and I will not contest the revert over minor differences of opinion. If I by chance run into the article that references redundancy, I will pass it on to you and we can discuss further.

I see that you have posted several other articles regarding Leon Redbone's albums. I intend to further enhance them as I get time. More people should be made aware of this significant but little-known artist. Thanks for your efforts in documenting his albums/discs. Frankzappatwin (talk) 17:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, very nice of you to say, look forward to collaborating.

I confess that I don't follow everything you say--redundancy means repeating the same information throughout prose. It's standard practice for some same info to appear in infoboxes, prose, and templates. WP reflects what reliable secondary sources note about a subject. It's not enough to simply copy info from primary source album packaging. For the sake of argument, if you removed cited information from prose because that info is contained in the album packing and you put it in list form, you would be removing thousands (tens of thousands?) of references from countless articles and have hundreds of annoyed editors on your talk page. Again, it's always appropriate to add song lengths, writers, lists of personnel. It's never appropriate to remove from prose cited information about what secondary sources have chosen to note. Granted, those RS may have taken the info from the album packaging as well, but that's neither here nor there. I know the albums project is unique on WP because so much info can be taken from packaging, even if without liner notes.

Have a good day! Caro7200 (talk) 11:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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