User talk:Frankk20168
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December 2020
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Please refrain from making test edits in Wikipedia pages, such as those you made to Nemi ships, even if you intend to fix them later. Your edits have been reverted. If you would like to experiment again, please use your sandbox. Thank you. Dl2000 (talk) 14:21, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
March 2021
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Hello, I'm Cassiopeia. I noticed that you made a change to an article, 1972–73 European Cup, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Cassiopeia(talk) 07:02, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
Spelling
[edit]Hi Frank, thank you for your edits. Please note that, under WP:ENGVAR, we don't prefer American spelling over British spelling or vice-versa, so changing e.g. kilometre to kilometer or centre to center is usually deprecated. Please stop mass changing articles to US spelling which is contrary to Wiki policy and, in many cases, introducing spelling inconsistencies to those articles. We also don't prefer CE to AD either and I note that you have already been warned about this above, so if you continue it may be considered WP:DISRUPTIVE editing which risks a ban. Bermicourt (talk) 07:08, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
No, I am not doing that. Stratifying to one spelling or the other maybe. But only if there are other edits that are more urgent. Just on stratifying. If US English is used in an article about London (UK), that is just wrong. Just as wrong as a page about NYC would be claimed as BRITISH ENGLISH don't use any other English (For some reason they have that tag and it is randomly used all over Wiki). Just to be clear the UK English people are way more militant than I am (Maybe you included, as apparently you did not notice the many pages where I stratified to harbour, etc.) If there are clear standards that I am breaking (I thought it was 19th century, somebody pointed out it was not. So I stopped.
But (as an example)this is not good
ARMOR
The standard armour for the ship was 8 millimeters needed for harbour use, mainly river harbors. This affected the behaviour of the boat's center of gravity.
The usage of the word boat (instead of ship) might trigger the edit. If this is a US ship I would make them all US English. If it is a British ship or French ship it should be UK English.
(Another major reason would be run-on sentences or sentences where I know what is meant, but not what is written (The greatest fort, instead of the largest fort))
I hope this helps. From what I have seen, to be WP:DISRUPTIVE you have to do a lot more. Notwithstanding that sometimes I might go a bit OCD and then the (other) WIKI editors are the perfect way of straightening out those few instances. And I think that translating English words to actual meaningful English sentences is not easy, time-consuming, and very much needed in various articles. Thought appreciated. Slight addition. Unlike many, I try to not ignore the spell checker. In many cases, it is clear on GB-US English. But not always.
- I understand Bermicourt's objection and warning, but not your answer. And here you are doing the same thing--why? Seriously, taken together such edits are disruptive and might indeed lead to a block, or to an injunction--for instance, that you would no longer be allowed to make certain edits related to spelling. Please don't let it get that far. Drmies (talk) 11:45, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Drmies Bermicourt Maybe not every single detail of the points I am trying to make are clear with what I am writing and I accept that. However, the overall point should be pretty clear and I don't think I have to repeat that again. Just read the text. As for the change you are pointing to. I am trying to change off to of. You can clearly see that in the change. I also inserted the word the to make the sentence complete. I have no idea why I did the other things, but as I mentioned before, I use a spellchecker and it prompts me. I try to NOT change things I do not intend to change. More people should try to use a spellchecker. As I say a little below. Undo the entire change and lose the correct English fixes I made. Or edit my fixes. That is fine. I understand they are both the same and I have tried to be more careful. Lately, I am seeing a lot of use of the word whilst in the wrong way and I stress in the wrong way. I don't try to make my text US English, a lot of people do try to make their text UK English. Whilst you were sleeping --> Odd but OK Whilst you think this, I think that --> Odd and wrong and confusing I read a couple of texts about European football where the word hoardings was used. That is not a word that people understand unless you live in the UK. And I had to actually look it up. So I made it something international English. I am not trying to start some stupid little war here. I am trying to do the right thing. Maybe you guys should be challenged a little more about meaningless challenges, too. The ONLY time I went back to Undo an Undo of an edit of mine was when somebody again chose to claim the first VAR match in an English-speaking country. Sorry, just not true. For the rest, our goals are hopefully the same: Get a factually correct understandable, and readable encyclopedia-like Wiki. And all these threats based on a dozen of edits are just counterproductive; especially, as I don't change the meaning of what was being said and you can clearly see from the hundreds of pages I touch that I am not going in to convert them into US English. You guys should maybe look into how the CONV routine works. The outcome is the same using the method I use. I only made sure it is all consistent. Then the only change I see is that "centre" was converted into "center". This might have been me clicking OK on spell check too quickly or seeing that the entire section was US English. And seriously, there are UK English LOCKED pages (Hijacked??) Pages about Caribbean islands speaking US English were UK English locked. There are many pages OTHER consistently UK English pages. But NOT the other way around. I wonder why..... You have four options
- Roll everything back. Making the English more UK, but worse. Bad
- Keep everything. Make edits to the stuff that offends you. Done
- Roll everything back. Making the English more UK. Now fix everything I fixed. Thief
- Get me banned.
I can guarantee you that the second option is the least work and the correct option. Do you want to go with option four and get me banned? (My spellchecker says that I should change this sentence into "Do you..." But now I need to first figure out if I offend other people with that change) Go right ahead. I think I am adding value by taking out statements like "Only after astroturf was introduced were other countries able to master the Indian dribble" (Changed that somewhat racist statement into something that still makes sense, mentioned astroturf and talked about the adoption of the Indian Dribble (Hockey by the way, or should I say Field Hockey, or is that offensive) But leave the VAR article where Australians and all other English speaking countries in the world are taking credit for the first VAR game EVER that was played in their country (it was not). Because that is what I thought we are trying to do: get a readable, correct, and enjoyable encyclopedia. I am adding enjoyable, otherwise, I could delete all the useless factoids about somehow always UK clubs in the Champions League. I wonder whether they will mention that Arsenal did not qualify for the first time Signing of from issues right now :-)
- My advice would be to leave spelling alone for now, especially if you are using a spellchecker to amend articles. Spellcheckers are not 100% reliable and will always be based on a specific regional spelling which may not be appropriate to an article. Concentrate instead on improving articles in other ways, e.g. by adding new information based on reliable sources or creating new articles. Cheers. Bermicourt (talk) 09:28, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- Frankk, I don't think you will achieve much with these long and unorganized comments. I *think* your point is that "you weren't just changing spelling", and I think your other point is "I'm right". Well, you were changing spelling, and you weren't right. You may discuss a change in spelling from one variety to another on the talk page--but it would probably be helpful if you posted messages that were well-organized and formatted. Drmies (talk) 14:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Frank, you did a ton of random and out of style stuff on my talk page, and just spammed stuff I kinda didn't understand. I'm just going to be concise and explain why I reverted your edit, the section headers had every word capitalized, which is out of the MOS. Sea Cow (talk) 12:17, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- @Sea Cow (talk) 12:17, 8 February 2022 (UTC) OK, Understood. My Bad, thanks for the feedback. I will not do that again (A stupid style; but that's not the point)
- @Sea Cow Again thanks. Just as feedback to you, this is the way to make Wiki better. I have made mistakes before got shouted at for a good reason and I did not do it again. --Frank
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