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Apple II Plus

Hi there! Thanks for your edit, but just a few things:

• We unfortunately can't use your own personal experience to prove that something is true. We instead need reliable, published, secondary sources to state information -- in some sense, Wikipedia regurgitates, in a unified and encyclopedic form, what these sorts of sources say.
• The fact that it is a dead link is not a problem. I'll run a bot over the page to see if it can find an archived version, and if not, then I'll find one myself.

Thanks, talk to !dave 13:18, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Whatever you're calling a "reliable published secondary source" in claiming that the Apple II Plus ceased to be manufactured at the end of the 1982 is obviously *not* reliable since I own a computer that was made after they were supposedly discontinued. I don't see any references on the archived page indicating how that guy came up with his December 1982 date either. You can see the pictures here: https://twitter.com/FozzTexx/status/1007820286006198272 FozzTexx (talk) 13:23, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough. I mean, we wouldn't use somebody's Twitter usually as a source. You suggest it was manufactured in 1983 owing to the date codes. In those photos there is nothing stating '1983' directly, you know, like at the bottom of my Lenovo laptop it says "Mfg Date: 13/09/27" (27 Sep '13) unless I'm missing something. Using that as source would violate WP:SYNTH, specifically Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. since it is a mere suggestion that it was built in 83, rather than any direct evidence of such (unless, again, I'm not seeing anything). Interesting find, what we need is to see what other sources say about when production stopped. If it's not super clear then both dates can be added. Thanks for your reply as well. talk to !dave 15:05, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

The date codes are on the ICs and on the mainboard. On the mainboard you can see it has date code 4383 meaning it was manufactured the 43rd week of 1983 meaning it was manufactured between Oct 24 and Oct 30. Date codes on ICs are YYWW. The 6502 itself has a date code of 8331 which is Aug 1-7. The two ROM chips in the photos are 8322 and 8326. I think the December 1982 is just made up based on the IIe being introduced in early 1983. Apple clearly didn't stop making them in 1982. FozzTexx (talk) 15:27, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

[1] says Dec 1982 as well. I get what you are saying, and your process of how you got to that date, but its whether a reliable source said it, and by that, its whether that source has any sense of editorial oversight as to what it is writing. This is unfortunately Wikipedia, not the real world, and as a result, it sometimes has to be WP:NOTRIGHT. You seem to be right, but this is, in our strange parallel wikiuniverse, not good enough -- we need a source that says that models were manufactured after '82, and says this straight. We can't use this user talk page as a source to explain how one arrived at such date, and since places, editorial oversight or not, are saying Dec '82, exceptional claims require exceptional sources, and this a good case of this. talk to !dave 17:55, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

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