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Footy jumpers

Hey mate, happy to have corrections re jumpers, I'm slowly trying to get a bank together of all the commonly used ones... It'd be good if someone could put together a gallery of all the ones on the database so far so we have a quick reference and can all get working on it.

Agree with what you said regards the small logos, I'm hoping to have photoshopped version of the full set soonish, then I'll update in one hit. Might take a day or two though as there's as there's a few unique ones in the B'rat FL.

Cheers, Aaron AaronRichard (talk) 00:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

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Ok, that makes sense, thanks for the note. I should have checked more carefully before making the move (I could've sworn I did check). Anyway, you are definitely correct, so thanks for fixing that up. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 00:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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I have not looked into what is happening at the NFL page at all, but be aware that whilst the WP:3RR is definitive on what constitutes a breach, it is still WP:Edit warring even if you technically don't breach 3RR. Comments like "still 90 minutes until I can revert" to avoid 3RR are not encouraged. Taking a step back from the dispute and raising it at noticeboards like WP:3O or relevant Wikiprojects is a much better idea. And just remember - you are disagreeing over something that happened a few years ago in a suburban footy comp. Is it really that important? Does it really belong here at all? Is there any significant coverage in independent reliable sources? The-Pope (talk) 06:59, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

NFL Dispute

G'day. Sorry for taking a while to get back to you, I've now had a read through the discussion on the Northern Football League talkpage. For a dispute like this, where both sides are making their case with verifiable evidence, there's no reason why these discussions can't be incorporated onto the actual article.

I see that the current version states that Parkside's "Premiership won in 2009 (was won) in a part season only". No reason why that couldn't be expanded as a footnote, I think it's of interest to the reader and of relevance. Something like, for example -

"Halfway through the 2009 season, (insert number) clubs, including Parkside, split from Division 2 in preparation for a third division in 2010. These clubs competed against each other for the rest of the season and Parkside defeated Hurstbridge in a grand final. The league lists Parkside as having won the 2009 Division 3 premiership, however the NFL by laws state that any premiership won in that division would mean that club would be promoted the following season and Parkside did not make the move to Division Two in 2010."

As for the IP, while you're perfectly entitled to stamp warnings on this guy's talk page, as he did make a personal attack, I think the best course of action in this instance would be to take a step back. The discussion has gone as far as it can go, you really have no reason to keep engaging with him. Please consider adding such a footnote into the article. If it's in there and this guy keep reverting to his version, then any third party can see that he is being disruptive and he will likely be banned. As it stands at the moment, other than his mistake of breaking the WP:3RR, he has got as much a case as you do to have his version of the page used. Cheers. Jevansen (talk) 12:01, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

I like it! Good thinking! In fact I can't see anything wrong with what you've written (obviously I have to insert the number of clubs). I'll change it from the asterisk (there's more than one) to the footnote with the appropropriate linking on the article. Footy Freak7 (talk) 21:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Job done! I did in fact have to change a couple of things - like adding Hurstbridge winning the reserves, and changing "that club would be promoted" to "that club shall be promoted" to make the wording actually replicate the by laws. Thanks for that, Jevansen. Footy Freak7 (talk) 21:47, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

After reading the to and fro-ing about the NFL Div 3 premiership in 2009, you may be interested to know that the Essendon District Football League is creating a 3rd division this year using the same method the NFL did in 2009. i.e. after the first round, the bottom six drop down to form Div 3 , play one complete round and finals, and no promotion for two years Purrum (talk) 12:21, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I already knew this. In fact I thought they might have had a copy of the old NFL by laws that I thought may have helped at the height of the argument so I was prepared to contact them when the thing went to admin review. Footy Freak7 (talk) 23:22, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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Australian rules football in Queensland

Hello Footy Freak - Re the Rugby link - I am aware the 'Queensland Reds' as such did not exist in the 1880s, but their predecessor, the Queensland colonial rep side, was doing 'damage' to Australian Rules at the time. I thought the link to the Reds article, together with its 1880s history, was more relevant than a link to the 'general' Rugby Union article

What do you reckon?

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Peter Peter Eedy (talk) 23:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

No I completely disagree, because the Reds are known for their modern activity only. Their historical link with the state rep side is not relevant to the history of Australian Rules in Queensland. That's why the link to the game itself is more appropriate. To link to the Reds in the context of the sentence that has the link completely wrecks said sentence. Footy Freak7 (talk) 09:18, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Jeepers Footy Freak, "completely disagree" doesn't leave much room for negotiation. :o)

I do think it has relevance, as the Reds are directly descended from that side, whose success in the mid-1880s probably led directly to the hiatus in the Australian game - the link to 'Rugby Union' doesn't tell the reader anything about this and the article Australian rules football in Queensland glosses over the matter (that the "Independent Schools headmasters voted by 1 vote to adopt rugby football" was much less significant than the Qld Rugby side's success against NSW).

Anyway, I don't feel so strongly that I need to argue over this - I'll let your link stand. If you are interested, Sean Fagan has done a lot of research (mostly RL and RU, but touches on Aus Rules) and discusses the matter here: http://rugbyaustralis.wordpress.com/states/qld-reds/ Some of Sean's other associated pages are interesting as well

Regards Peter Peter Eedy (talk) 10:40, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

PS: For what it's worth, I'm not a Rugby addict - my first preference is soccer, but I have an interest in all four codes Regards Peter Eedy (talk) 10:42, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Think about it like this. What do people think generally when you mention Queensland Reds? Do they think of a history dating back to the 1880's? Realistically they don't. They only think of the Reds as the Queensland representative of the Australian teams in the Super 15 competition. I know you're coming at this from another angle, but Wikipedia has a rule of thumb called "consensus", which is another way, if you like, of saying the man in the street (to use the legal parlance of "what society accepts as the norm"). You're aware of the history thanks to your own research and that's good for you - and so is being bold on Wikipedia. I do the same thing with my research which is 100 percent Australian rules. But as an encyclopedia, the rule of thumb is to keep things "common" (as in consistent). Doing the link your way would be inconsistent. Hope that explains things, and good luck with your research. Footy Freak7 (talk) 12:45, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Gold Coast AFL

In response to your comment, I was surprised the GCAFL wasn't on the board. I glean history from various club websites and put two and two together and came up with five. I knew someone would know more.Purrum (talk) 07:55, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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How about adding this league as full points Footy is currently down. It's being rejigged Australianfootball.com Purrum (talk) 10:21, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

No, because it's a current comp. Footy Freak7 (talk) 01:01, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

It's not a current comp, you can't say that, there are plenty of precidents...

The NEAFL is a merger of two competitions, no-one is saying it's either ACTAFL or AFLQ!

When the NWFU and NTFA merged in 1987 it became a new comp - NTFL

When Northern Mallee and Southern Mallee merged in 1997 it became a new league Mallee Football League.

likewise Tatiara and Korwee Naracoorte in 1993 became KNTFL.

however the name-change from Kerang District to Golden Rivers was merely the change to the league's letterheadPurrum (talk) 07:40, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

There was no merger in this case. It was a name change like it was with Kerang/Golden Rivers. Footy Freak7 (talk) 09:30, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

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Hi mate. I think you need to take stock for a minute. The article is locked, on your version of the page, which it will remain on for at least another month. So you could not post at Talk:Northern Football League (Australia) for another 30 days and nothing will have changed. Just because you don't answer his questions doesn't mean he wins the argument. So effectively, you can sit on your thumbs. You're clearing getting stressed by this situation so I think, in the immediate future, you should take a break from that article and spend your time editing elsewhere for a bit.

This dispute has been going on for two years ... I'm not a betting man but I'd put my house on the fact that you guys are never going to agree with each other. Best chance of a resolution, in my opinion, would be to come to some sort of agreement with him on the footnote. Hopefully someone on the dispute res board can help with that.

If you think he's trying to bait you, or game the system, then I see no reason why that can't be brought up at the dispute resolution (no, that wouldn't make guilty of WP:Game). Cheers. Jevansen (talk) 08:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Well that's the problem. I'm not the sort of person to sit on my thumbs when there's an issue. Of course it doesn't help when some other IP roars in with their own interpretation (which may be right actually but it's not relevant to the issue at hand as the rule was never applied either way) keeping the thing going even without me there.

But thanks for letting me know that I can edit the report. That gives me something do to instead on sitting on my thumbs, so it helps. Footy Freak7 (talk) 09:13, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

SANFL

it is NOT the Australian record. (All my life Port supporters have been telling me this!) Who holds the Australian record? Thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:14, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

South Bunbury in Western Australia have won 44 premierships. In South Australia Ramblers on the Eyre Peninsula have won 38. South Gawler have won 36 to be equal with Port Magpies. The numbers are constantly being updated but these will be no lower. Footy Freak7 (talk) 22:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. (Most appreciated.) Pdfpdf (talk) 13:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

(P.S. What are your sources? Pdfpdf (talk) 13:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC))

South Bunbury has it's own page here on WP. I think Footypedia had them all listed. The numbers come from here although it looks like it's a bit out of date as it only has 35 for Port Adelaide which we both know is wrong. Footy Freak7 (talk) 21:27, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you again! obsequious flattery alert Clearly, you are a veritable mine of information. Again: Most appreciated. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:17, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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I believe that you are acting in bad faith, due to your reaction to the rejection of the Sydney Soccer Derby article. Kindly stay away from my talk page in future. Thanks. Footy Freak7 (talk) 11:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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@Purrum: You should have waited until the fixtures appeared before making your changes. You were making them without sources before. That's why I reverted you. Now you have them it's okay. Footy Freak7 (talk) 01:59, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hello, is the thumb function adding the colours next to the club name on football leagues? If so, I can change or remove them if you wish, just let me know which ones you found them on. Thanks. 18:21, 10 February 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.138.205.254 (talk)

Murray Football League history

Once again, it's very disappointing that you have removed valuable Murray FL history information in the form the the O'Dwyer FL Medal runners up, that is certainly relevant and has citations and goes into detail to display a bigger picture of the league. What right have you got delete a lot of people's good relevant work on the history of football league's without first discussing it online and working out a solution. I will be taking this further to get this resolved. Justin J. Kelly 02:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Justin Kelly.

I will argue that you are adding material that is not needed. There are no runners up listed for the Brownlow Medal as an example. It's against WP:WEIGHT. Footy Freak7 (talk) 08:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)