User talk:FlorianShpata

Spata coat of arms

Why do you keep including that fictional coat of arms in the article's infobox? You can't even find that image in the source presented. Kj1595 (talk) 21:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yours belongs to an entirely different noble family, the Sicilian Spadafora. The book you sourced doesn't even list it as Spata, it says Spatafora right above it. Even a quick google search for "Spatafora family" will result in the coat of arms you placed. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spadafora_(famiglia) from Wiki itself.

I much rather have no coat of arms, than your entirely different one used. FlorianShpata (talk) 09:43, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's just a matter of you seeing the "Spata" part in Spatafora and sticking with it. The Sicilian Spatafora are first traced to 1230, long before the Spata are first documented in Arta. All of this edit warring could simply be avoided if you read the source you used yourself, and did a background check before adding it. The coat of arms I used is taken from Mercurio Bua's coat of arms, which has already been sourced by you, and strangely enough, the source I stated was the same source you also used for your coat of arms of Mercurio Bua. There is another post made by Heraldika Shqiptare, in which all the elements of Mercurio Bua's coat of arms are shown. The version with the serpents is presumed to be the Spata coat of arms. WappenWiki also uses the version with the serpents and consensus seems to be that it is the coat of arms used by the Spata.

Then again, if you still don't want to, I much rather have no coat of arms than your outright wrong one added to the page. I don't want to revert war pointlessly. FlorianShpata (talk) 09:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Spatafora and the Spata are one and the same. Both ruling over the same region. Both names mentioned interchangebly by numerous sources. Mugnos refers to them as having a Byzantine origin but Marmora, who happens to be Greek, and was certainly more closely associated with that region, refers to them as Albanian. As does Sansovino before him. So we are in a dilemma in which source to believe as true??!!

Mercurio Bua came from the Bua family, as the name Bua suggests. Or else he would be known as Mercurio Spata. Simple logic here. If you actually take the time to read the translated text describing the armorial, there is no mention of any symbols being associated with the Spata. The two families likely intermarried at some point but their heraldic symbols remained distinct. Unless you can prove otherwise? And I don't mean by making presumptions. Kj1595 (talk) 17:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]