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Happy First Edit Day!

August music

story · music · places

Today I have two "musicians" on the Main page, one is also the topic of my story, watch and listen, - I like today's especially because you see him at work, hear him talk about his work and the result of his work - rare! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

... and a third, like 22 July but with interview and the music to be played today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

A rainbow if you click on places --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

On 13 August, Bach's cantata was 300 years old, and the image one. The cantata is an extraordinary piece, using the chorale's text and famous melody more than others in the cycle. It's nice to have not only a recent death, but also this "birthday" on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

today's story is about education, 10 years OTD after lecturing our founder). Music for today's feast is Monteverdi's, the best concert we ever did (so pictured again on my talk). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry I've not been responding. I was on vacation. I finally got a chance to nearly completely unplug from work (something I haven't been able to do in a while). I also made a conscious decision to unplug from WP as well. It was wonderful. Equal parts sitting in the sun, reading, kayaking, and eating. Not sure why I came back.... Floquenbeam (talk) 20:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
to hear good news, probably, such as my first DYK was 15 years ago OTD, about a friend of mine who had a red link, and better: just returned from a wonderful concert with only music I had never heard before, - the youngest composer (of 12, 2 of them women) born 1988 (a red link), heavenly from start to finish! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
Congrats on the 15th anniversary, and glad you enjoyed the multi-composer concert. It amazes me that someone born in 1988 isn't a kid! Born in the 80's and in their 30's? How did that happen? Floquenbeam (talk) 20:56, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
Today is the birthday of Alma Mahler. I believe that Siegfried Lorenz should be mentioned on the Main page among the Recent deaths. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
... and he appeared! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

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About a legitimate draft that needs moving to a salted draft page

Hello I have seen a draft on Chris Chan that appears to be a legitimate draft. As I cannot move it and you are the protecting admin, I ask that you move the draft as it isn't an attack, thanks. Felicia (talk) 23:23, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Floquenbeam, I have declined the draft due to WP:BIO1E along with referencing the the ANI discussion that led to you salting the title (other titles were already salted). If you disagree with the decline you are of course welcome to move it mainspace. Pinging @JSwift49, the creator of the draft. S0091 (talk) 14:32, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
@Felicia777 and S0091: Thanks for the notice, I agree with the decline. I don't think any article about Chris Chan should be in mainspace without some kind of community discussion (DRV I think?). There is a reason that every possible page title related to them has been salted. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
@Floquenbeam @S0091 No worries. And I agree in that it’s a good idea to get community consensus on the mainspace inclusion. I do think I could work on the draft to make it better; would it be possible to move it to Draft:Chris Chan or Draft:Christine Weston Chandler? JSwift49 16:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
How about /dev/null? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
I don't think we need to rename the draft page; that would be like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Before you spend too much time on this, you should know that I am pretty confident that the community will never support having an article on Chris Chan. I'm less confident, but I suspect even an MFD on the draft article would succeed. I think the community is kind of sick of talking about this over the years, and has settled on a "no means no" philosophy. I'm not going to do anything to the draft itself, but others might. Be aware that you're up against an annoyed and exhausted community as far as this person is concerned. And - although I do not doubt your good motivations - be aware that you've got some really slimy bedfellow who really, really want an article. Make sure their reputations don't get transferred to you. Floquenbeam (talk) 18:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Got it; thanks. Appreciate your explaining. JSwift49 19:02, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Surreal Barnstar
For your insights as a sage veteran: But also, like scripture, policy can be made to support any side of any ITN/C discussion; which specific policies people quote in each discussion is primarily determined by whether they instinctively want that thing posted or not. Now that I think about it, kind of like AN/ANI. Now that I really think about it, kind of like Wikipedia in general.[1] —Bagumba (talk) 09:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Surreal? Ha! Thanks, Bagumba. (I'm not really a sage veteran, but I sometimes do a passable job of masquerading as one.) Floquenbeam (talk) 19:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Guidance required.

Hi, im here to get some guidance or simple advice on our ban lift conversion before 2 months ago, i wonder if editing the article Turkmeneli will result in breaking your conditions? Because i really cant bare seeing such edits labeling the article to extreme ideologies like; (1) or vandalizing it (2) or falsely describing scores such as this edit (3) where in the book it says (The fact that no published expression of it shows Turkmeneli continuing into Syria, Turkey, or Iran reflects the reality of its origins! As you can see deleting a line (it shows Turkmeneli continuing into Syria, Turkey, or Iran reflects the reality of its origins) can convert the meaning of the book’s author 180! I wonder if i can edit the page of Turkmeneli or it will violate your conditions, because i feel these edits meant for vandalism and since we are a small nation and almost no wiki volunteer cares about it, makes me very concerned and hurt for how the article became a hub for anti turkmen edits.

i will be waiting a reply from you and wont make a move before you giving me some wisdom over the situation, have a great day. NICTON t (talk) 22:32, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@NICTON t:, I believe that would be covered by "the topics of Kurds and Kurdistan, broadly construed". It is not a perfect fit, but I believe it is covered because of the "broadly construed" part. It appears there is some disagreement/overlapping claims/anti-Kurdish sentiment (or claims of such). I note this pre-block edit of yours: [2]. The main idea is to stay way, way, far away from contentious editing. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:23, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Thanks alot. NICTON t (talk) 16:25, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
No problem, I'm glad you asked. Floquenbeam (talk) 16:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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September music

story · music · places

And he appeared! What do you think of my short version of the life of Alexander Goehr? Our DYK team would probably want that he worked in a training kibbutz. I was happy to include a link to an article by Brian Boulton, - we sang the Monteverdi Vespers on 1 September 2019. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

RD looks hard to achieve these days. Quite a lot of nominations, so the time on the main page looks short. Looks like Lorenz only made it on for a little under 1 day. Glad you got that, at least. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:23, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Goehr comment will have to wait; just popped online fo a sec. -Floquenbeam (talk) 18:25, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Your summary for Goehr seems about right ... for something in your own userspace. I've kind of given up guessing what DYK team would want to do, but that summary certainly seems longer than what I usually see at DYK. Good luck with the GA. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. DYK is not for an overview of a person's life, I understand that much, but do we have to go for trivia? I doubt that. The usual reasoning is that the broad readership is not interested in anything regarding the production of a contemporary composer, and we have to search for something appealing to them, and if we don't find anything, close the nomination. No guesswork needed, it happens again and again. Latest example. (It's resolved, he's in prep, but what a waste of time.) - GA for Goehr was trying something after John said it was a good article. More serious: BWV 78, written for last Sunday, Wikipedia birthday 10 September, so today last chance for a nomination, but it should ideally be GA before. Chances are slim, but there's nothing to loose. Listen if you haven't on Sunday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Today's story has 3 composers, I couldn't decide for the one on the Main page or the one who didn't make it on his bicentenary, so took both, and the pic has a third. Listen if you have a bit of time. The music, played by the Kyiv Symphony Orchestra in Germany in April 2022, soon after the invasion of Ukraine, impressed me. (The official DYK hook, to continue the above, has no indication of music whatsoever, - all it says about a pioneer is that he died, the rest is some attention-grabbing stuff about burning of his papers, which - as the talk page has - is not even hard fact.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
My first barnstar was for resilience. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
Recommended reading today: Frye Fire, by sadly missed Vami_IV. - Went with friends to a place you know: lovely again! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
Hey, I see the block didn't last too long. Glad it was undone, rather than "shortened to time served". Hope your friends enjoyed the view as much as I did. Floquenbeam (talk) 23:09, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
As I said over there, I liked the wording of the unblock. One of my edit summaries said "I don't want mercy but to be understood", and that is still not achieved. I remembered a case where an admin thought "clearly a violation" and you said "No foul, play one." (and we played on.) Yes, I was on a campaign, fighting bias for 1) a woman, 2) a classical musician, 3) a foreigner, and a block will not stop me from doing such things, and then what is good for at all? Do you think such a question would be understood? I really don't know ;) - Enjoying lovely days, with Sibylle's husband, - Sybille whose death notice said "Non, je ne regrette rien". (Look for her name in my 2022 talk, - I didn't remember how often I mentioned it.) - We went to Goldatzel, pic to come! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Happy because my story today is about a Czech mezzo soprano who is mentioned on the Main page on her birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk)
Happier about Bach's cantata on the Main page on its 300th birthday (per calendar), my story (again)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Three stories related to today in memory, 11 September, 20 July and 20 June, the latter piece of art also pictured on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Today is the wedding anniversary of the Schumanns, they needed court support because she wasn't of age and her father against it. She was coming of age the following day ... - Anyway, saw your name on my watchlist and was reminded that I uploaded the pics from "our" place but then got lost updating Friedrich Schorlemmer and distracted by you know who. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
Today is Schoenberg's 150th birthday! On display, portrayed by Egon Schiele, with music from Moses und Aron, and with two DYK hooks, one from 2010 and another from 2014; the latter, about his 40th birthday, appeared on his 140th birthday, which made me happy then and now again. - See places for a stunning sunrise, on the day Bruckner's 200th birthday was celebrated (just a few days late). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
My story is about one of the people behind the peaceful revolution. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Ah, back when I was optimistic about how the world was evolving. Floquenbeam (talk) 21:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
My story today is about a man who played jazz when it was banned by the Nazis, - you can listen to how they played it later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Ach, lieben Christen, seid getrost, BWV 114, is one of the pieces in my topic of this year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
My story today features a pic I took from my position in the choir, I can also offer varied delightful music, some from Venice, also with pics I took, - note the rose in the clarinet ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm skipping ahead by a day; I can't wait to get home and discover the musical overlap between RVW and the Beatles. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Let's not?

Hello! Why did you reject my request for guidance here? -- mikeblas (talk) 03:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

It is always best to focus on the underlying issue. A section at ANI on the removal of citations is not the place to talk about suppression. In fact, the whole point of suppression is that something should not be discussed anywhere. The question concerns whether it is a good idea to remove citations merely because they are broken. The answer is obvious but should be argued at ANI, not here. Johnuniq (talk) 03:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
@Mikeblas: "Reject your request for guidance"? What an odd accusation. And the second time that you've taken something you don't understand, and assumed it must be because of another editor mistreating you. I'll assume it's because you're stressed out from ANI. Anyway, I already explained this in the collapse text. You misunderstood how suppression worked and jumped to a conclusion, a couple of people explained to you what actually happened, and then you and another editor continued sniping about something other than the main topic of the thread. The guidance was provided. I was preventing the thread from spiraling even further from the topic. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:09, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Indeed, the ANI free-for-all (because it's not any kind of process) has made me miserable. My last comment was But maybe it would be more productive to consider my repeated plea for help and guidance. and your response to was to box the comment with the response "Let's not." If you were asking for help and the response was "Let's not", what would you take away? Can you tell me where the guidance was provided so I can review it, please? -- mikeblas (talk) 15:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
The guidance about suppression was provided here by Schazjmd and here by Valeree. To explain even further, it was not your edits that were suppressed; the way suppression (and revision deletion, a tool in the admin toolkit) works is that all intervening revisions of the page between the edit that added the text needs to be hidden and the edit removing that text needs to be suppressed in order for said text to be fully hidden from view; otherwise, one could simply go to an unsuppressed version of the page in between the two and see the offending text. Your (unrelated) edits were caught in between the addition and removal of the offending text, so the revisions wherein you added your edits were suppressed, but the suppression itself doesn't actually hide the text you added, which was and is still visible in the versions of the page.
I understand that you were also asking for more general guidance about how ANI works, but surely you can see and appreciate that, with all of the aforementioned sniping, any such guidance was not going to come of that subsection, which is why Floq closed it. Not because of the request for guidance itself, but because any further guidance wasn't going to happen in that subsection. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Guidance was provided about your confusion regarding suppressed edits. That was the topic of the subsection I closed. Your request for more basic guidance on ANI has been made in the main thread, and on ANI's talk page; the fact that there was a third request in the section I closed doesn't mean I've somehow rejected your request. I'm not sure there is any written guidance about how to react to an ANI thread, but if there is I imagine it would be in the ANI header section. I suppose the best approach is to calmly answer any questions, don't get drawn into bickering, and listen to constructive criticism. I agree ANI sucks but it's all we have. Floquenbeam (talk) 15:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
"ANI sucks" is an understatement. A vast, vast understatement. Thanks for the explanation, but to be clear, at that section, I wasn't asking for guidance about suppression. I was asking for guidance about ANI. I have yet to receive anything useful. And your guess is right: there's nothing in the page header. -- mikeblas (talk) 01:03, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

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recall

It is downright ugly over there. I doubt even the strongest supporters of this expected this absolute shitshow. I thought this was supposed to be a better, more lightweight alternative to dragging admins to arbcom but so far it seems much, much worse. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 01:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

The strongest supporters of admin recall are probably the most disgusted of anyone. That thing needs someone to take over managing it. Floquenbeam (talk) 01:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
I’m looking at this now and I’m trying to think of something better. The community has wanted the ability to desysop for a long time, we just need to find a way that’s effective and minimises drama. My initial thoughts are to turn the petition into a straight 7 day poll. You have a week to state your case, if 70% support a desysop, it happens. If they don’t, no further petitions in a year as per (IIRC) the existing proposal.
i think we need to let this current petition play out per the agreed rules. After that, I’ll see if I can formulate an RfC. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
No disagreement with the above, but I do think a big contributor to the shitshow is the typical "Wikipedians kneejerk against change", multiplied quite a lot by an (imo) poorly phrased and poorly timed initial attempt. We probably ought to see what happens with the second recall before an RfC. -- asilvering (talk) 21:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
I agree it might smooth itself out after a couple of tries, except ... it sure sucks to be the target of the first few attempts. The Community experiments while the target bears 100% of the brunt of the experiment. 32 people recently chose to try an election because a 7-day RFA sucks so bad that they wanted no part of it, but this new process means a 37-day RFA. In a way, I almost (not quite) think the best thing for Graham would be to just sign my name in support of the petition, to help it get to 25 as fast as possible, so we can get an RFA (which we all know will pass) out of the way. Except I don't know if it gets to 25, do we still wait until 30 days are up? To see if anyone withdraws? Floquenbeam (talk) 21:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
It does suck, that's for sure. Presently, I think the meta is to wait until the admin elections voting is over, then start a re-RfA. Why wait for the votes to trickle in when you could call it now? -- asilvering (talk) 21:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Yes, that is probably what I would do if I were in his shoes. This may not be an idle intellectual exercise, there are certainly more than 25 people who don't think I should be an admin! Floquenbeam (talk) 21:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

October music

story · music · places

You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:16, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

today Rohan de Saram - unbelievable story --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Today is the birthday of Tabea Zimmermann, and you can listen to the exact concert I mentioned last year ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Not intentionally ignoring you, Gerda. Just busy and stressed and even more fuzzy-headed than usual, and haven't had anything to say. I don't understand why I'm old enough to get the senior discount at Dunkin Donuts (I refuse it, out of pride, but these young 20-something weasels at the counter keep offering), but not old enough to see retirement on the horizon. Had a night shift last night, and now my whole body rhythm is going to be thrown off for a solid 3-4 days, and it's taking me hours to become sentient. I hate working for a living. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Lol, I got impatient for the archiving bot, and then it archived another section 30 seconds after I manually archived your september music. patience, floq, patience.... it's been that kind of day week month year. Floquenbeam (talk) 18:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
but iii'll be there for youuuu Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Lol. That must have been in my subconscious, it wasn't an intentional callback. What an embarrassing thing to have in the subconscious. For both of us, now that I think about it.... --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
(ec) patience - I think I mentioned that word more than once on my user talk every years (2 - 6 - 9 - 9 ... going backwards). - Did you get a chance to look at De Saram? I was so thrilled that I wrote about the piece he inspired and only then found out that it was one of the key compositions of this century, - some good luck. It seems unfair. For more luck: that piece was approved for DYK within two days - which hasn't happened in ages. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
I've just read it. Really interesting life, thanks for sharing it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:52, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
matching that I'm just in the process of expanding the German article ;) - look (small world) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
small world, indeed. cool. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
today I remember an organist who was pictured on the Main page on his birthday ten years ago, and I found two recent organ concerts to match, - see top of my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
today brought a timely promotion of Helmut Bauer to the Main page on the day when pieces from Mozart's Requiem were performed for him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
timely promotion indeed; that was close to being archived! Floquenbeam (talk) 21:43, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
I woke up (that day) thinking what I might do if not, - what desperate cries for help would be permissible without getting blocked. But PFHLai had come for the rescue already, and Stephen today for Amaury du Closel, a remarkable person (see story). Now just Leif Segerstam is waiting for a comment or three, but a few days to go. Actually: posting to the RD set seems no big deal, and you could do it if the others who trust me enough to post without a single "support" are not around ;) - I haven't seen any other other procedure that simple: for giving the credits, you just click on "credit"! - I just managed, - I had forgotten that de Closel had just been created. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
I go to bed, last day for Segerstam tomorrow. Listen to the music in my story: I put it on DYK 10 years ago (mentioning Ukraine) and heard it today for the first time. That violinist/violist was incredible! Last month someone added to her article that she died, - a year ago OTD - which is also the wedding anniversary of two people who heard her play when they were children, - so I love that she plays viola d'amore in that music ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
I made him my big story today. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Went to Johannisberg with new American guests, who gave me a new song ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Can't go wrong with the Beatles. Floquenbeam (talk) 16:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
My story today is a cantata 300 years old, based on a hymn 200 years old when the cantata was composed, based on a psalm some thousand years old, - so said the 2015 DYK hook. I had forgotten the discussion on the talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:40, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
My story today is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his Lamento. - My story on 13 October was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:50, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
I received a new song at a familiar place - a first that I pictured the location (and some cheese) where the song was "given", - well, when it started in 2020, that exactly wasn't possible. What do you think about Silvia Sasson? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
I don't understand, there's no article there. Floquenbeam (talk) 16:19, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
sorry, was too late for checking what I wrote, mixing up my problem "children" ;) - Silvia Weiss, and actually it's already better than why I asked. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
thank you for a list of replies for the ballerina, - I had hoped for something like the first bullet. I agree that admin recall - the bit I saw, Graham87 - is even worse than other procedures I've seen. Heading for Rheingau, always the better alternative ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

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Admin Elections

I'm not going to disclose my votes, but I am curious if any talk page watchers are willing to divulge how many people they supported/opposed/abstained? I'll go first:

My estimate is that *very very roughly* 60 people just blanket supported, and *very very roughly* 70 people blanket opposed. This is based on two candidates who I believe would have sailed thru a normal RFA with minimal opposition and a candidate who was definitely WP:NOTNOW.

Just for fun, I reduced the Supports and Opposes by these numbers, and it would have meant 7 more admins who got >70% of those who didn't blanket support/oppose. Mdewman6 would have been the last elected, and McClenon would have been the highest percentage not to pass. There's also a more natural gap of 8% between last admin elected and first candidate not elected doing it this way. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

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One Mass Message to hundreds of people about this is mildly annoying, but understandable. Two of them is no longer mildly annoying. If I wanted to participate, I would have. Floquenbeam (talk) 17:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
I said something similar at my talk page. [4] Hopefully the foundation actually listens to said feedback. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
My estimate of the odds of that happening are really low. Possibly influenced by a general skepticism about everyone and everything that I've been experiencing lately. The entire world is dysfunctional, I'm not sure why the Foundation is likely to be a counter-example. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:10, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
It's possible my optimism is based on having some success trying to make the relationship between the WMF and the community less of a venn diagram. Some of the most glaring technical issues on the app were fixed after I pointed them out (User:Clovermoss/Mobile editing). I was also told my feedback helped them to decide not to move forward with mw:Wikimedia Apps/Team/iOS/Fundraising Experiment in the iOS App. There's definitely been a lot of tense interactions but I'm generally of the hope that things can get better and that's it worth trying. Maybe I'll end up jaded one day too, though. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
To be fair, ending up jaded is much easier in the States. You're not irrationally optimistic; you're just Canadian. Floquenbeam (talk) 19:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
I live near the border and I'm definitely concerned for my American neighbours. I have a lot of friends in the States. As for general optimism, I'm really not sure how Canadians got the stereotype of we're super nice. I am, but I know plenty of deeply cynical people. My life has also been very depressing. If you want to hear about my traumatic childhood, you can watch me talk about it here. I choose optimism because the alternative is much worse. I'd rather not be lost in a deep abyss feeling that nothing I do matters. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
I also found it annoying, a post at a noticebosard or something would have been less annoying than spamming everyone whether they took it already or not, which I did. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 19:32, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

The eatings will continue until morale improves

This is what I thought after this comment. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:52, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Bravo. I'm very disappointed that I didn't see the opportunity for that myself. Although I did get to sneak a second Voltaire reference into that thread., which (for an engineering nerd) ain't nothing. Floquenbeam (talk) 17:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Came here to make roughly the same comment as Barkeep! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Now who will come here to make a third Voltaire reference? Place your bets now.... Barkeep49 (talk) 18:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
It won't be me. I've only ever known the one. Bishonen supplied the first (hanged in silence...) --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Écrasez l'infâme! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 21:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
Oh, come on, Zilla, now you're being overprotective. It's just a little committee on a little website, all doing their best. Not exactly infamous. Bishonen | tålk 22:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
[Zilla protectively gathers up the little 'shonen, stuffs her in pocket head first.] Stay! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 22:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
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