User talk:Ezio Fiorillo
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Happy editing! John Maynard Friedman (talk) 10:01, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
"From the graphic survey"
[edit]Thank you for your edits to Vitruvian Man, which have been valuable. I reverted your latest edit because "from the graphic survey" is not a proper citation. Which graphic survey? By whom? When?
Feel free to counter-revert my reversion when you can fix this problem. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello John Maynard Friedman. The number is a geometric datum, which can be measured by anyone whenever they want. I believe there is no need for parentheses or explanations. Sincerely. Ezio Fiorillo Ezio Fiorillo (talk) 16:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately we have a WP:No original research policy, so "anyone whenever they want" is not good enough: we need an explicit citation so that we can see which reliable source made this judgement. And of course very few people have access to the original drawing. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:49, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- I myself measured the drawing on a facsimile copy, guaranteed to be perfectly identical to the original on the market in Italy; but since I'm not a reliable source, I don't insist. Your notice in parentheses is fine. I believe that it is not essential to mention the source, simply because it does not exist. I repeat that it is a geometric datum and not a calculation. Thank you for your attention. Sincerely. Ezio Fiorillo Ezio Fiorillo (talk) 19:13, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Ah... a pity. Your other contributions have been so relevant that I had hoped you might easily be able to find such a citation. If you can measure it, surely there must be a book or journal author somewhere who has done it too, recorded it and assessed it. Doesn't have to be in English, any reliable source in any language will do.
- (The reason I'm particularly interested is that I did most of the writing for Artistic canons of body proportions and am always on the look-out for additional/better material.) --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Today I will dedicate myself to citing the sources and to better summarize my article on Wikipedia. I have a print identical to the Vitruvian Man drawing, on which I took the measurements directly. The results of my studies can be found in my book which I have indicated in the notes. It can be found cheaply on Apple Books on my website www.matamoros.it. at the Apple Books Link. I remain at your disposal for clarification. Good day. Ezio Fiorillo Ezio Fiorillo (talk) 06:39, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- And I guess you know about WP:SELF, so we can't cite your book. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 08:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Jonh Maynard Friedman, thank you for the helpful changes. Unfortunately, the user Justlettersandnumbers has completely canceled them and restored another version, without indicating the reason. Can you show me the way to fix it? Many thanks. Good day. Ezio Fiorillo Ezio Fiorillo (talk) 09:16, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Done. Your English is excellent but the style is very academic. To describe it as "ill-written" was unfair and a very poor justification for deleting it, contrary to a founding principles of Wikipedia. Yes, we do get incoherent rants from time to time, wild conspiracy theories and so on, entirely unsupported by citation. This is very clearly not the case for your contribution and displays very poor judgement by Justlettersandnumbers. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:11, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Jonh Maynard Friedman, thank you for the helpful changes. Unfortunately, the user Justlettersandnumbers has completely canceled them and restored another version, without indicating the reason. Can you show me the way to fix it? Many thanks. Good day. Ezio Fiorillo Ezio Fiorillo (talk) 09:16, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- And I guess you know about WP:SELF, so we can't cite your book. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 08:14, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Today I will dedicate myself to citing the sources and to better summarize my article on Wikipedia. I have a print identical to the Vitruvian Man drawing, on which I took the measurements directly. The results of my studies can be found in my book which I have indicated in the notes. It can be found cheaply on Apple Books on my website www.matamoros.it. at the Apple Books Link. I remain at your disposal for clarification. Good day. Ezio Fiorillo Ezio Fiorillo (talk) 06:39, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- I myself measured the drawing on a facsimile copy, guaranteed to be perfectly identical to the original on the market in Italy; but since I'm not a reliable source, I don't insist. Your notice in parentheses is fine. I believe that it is not essential to mention the source, simply because it does not exist. I repeat that it is a geometric datum and not a calculation. Thank you for your attention. Sincerely. Ezio Fiorillo Ezio Fiorillo (talk) 19:13, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately we have a WP:No original research policy, so "anyone whenever they want" is not good enough: we need an explicit citation so that we can see which reliable source made this judgement. And of course very few people have access to the original drawing. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:49, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Escalation
[edit]Done. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts#Vitruvian Man. There is of course no guarantee that anyone will respond. John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:32, 27 July 2022 (UTC)