User talk:Etzedek24/Comic book notability guidelines

Guideline should be modified / deprecated

It's clearly at variance with actual practice in deletion discussions. It says that characters are notable that "Have had, at any point in time, a solo comic book series longer than a one-shot. Example: Gambit, Batman". Well sure, if you pick examples like Batman, then yes, Batman is notable. But what about the endless number of indie comics from the 90s and 2000s out there? Plenty of characters from those have been deleted or redirected, even who headlined their books, in the same way that main characters of obscure "normal" books also get deleted. Just stick with WP:GNG here: do secondary sources note this character? Then sure, maybe make an article (even if they're not the headliner of the comic). Do no independent sources care? No article then. 2604:2000:12C1:C48D:A1F7:27C4:6006:BE24 (talk) 00:16, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. This is a user essay written by one volunteer with no evidence of input by others. It has been cited only in a dozen or so deletion discussions and seems much more inclusive than the much more often used essay WP:NFICTION, or the generic WP:GNG policy. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:17, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above. I'm not sure this even merits a failed proposal template, it doesn't reflect community consensus and never did. @Etzedek24: Any objection to moving this essay to your user space, like User:Etzedek24/Comic book notability guidelines ? It doesn't appear to be a Wikipedia essay but more like a personal essay - none of the edits have been to substantially change it at all, with the sole exception of the IP above's edit here to essentially disagree with the original essay. SnowFire (talk) 22:01, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me. I don't think anyone is seriously using this in deletion discussions anyway. But doesn't the template make clear that essays can, in fact just be one person's ideas that do not reflect community consensus? Read the template lately? Etzedek24 ^{(I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record)} 01:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if it came across a bit hostile, but I think that to the extent this essay is useful, it's still useful in the User space. I'm familiar with the essay template, yes, but the current work comes across like a notability guideline rather than an essay a bit, in which case it's a bit more important to make clear that this is more like a proposed guideline or an essay than a guideline that gained consensus. SnowFire (talk) 03:31, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]