User talk:Enterprisey/sandbox5

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The Editing team has been working on a new tool to make quick replies easier. I think it will make Teahouse interactions a lot easier. It's not officially available yet, but if you'd like to try it out, you can go to https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisatrice:Whatamidoing_(WMF)/Brouillon?dtenable=1&uselang=en and reply to any comment there. Look for a (blue) "Reply" right at the end of any timestamp. It's very early stages, and eventually they'd like to add a little toolbar and keyboard shortcuts for things like pinging people. (The cool stuff that's currently there isn't very visible, like being able to reply to a comment on an old version of a page, and having it find the same comment on the newest version.) I'd love to have you try it out and ping me (anywhere) to tell me what you think of it. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:57, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{Re|Whatamidoing (WMF)}} That looks pretty useful and I think being able to do that without loading a separate editing page would make replying faster. The preview and automatic indents are also a nice touch! A few thoughts:

Currently I'm using an edit conflict feature that allows me to take a look at my to-be-submitted revision and the revision that was submitted while I was editing. How would this tool address the issue of edit conflicts?
The editing window appears to open at the very end of the section. Would it be eventually worked to open right below the comment one is trying to respond to? I'm foreseeing multiple conversation threads where constantly scrolling up and down would be a hindrance.
Not a major issue, but not closing wikitext formats the timestamp as well.

I look forward to seeing what the finished tool looks like! --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:13, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Tenryuu.

It handles most edit conflicts automagically (because mw:Parsoid). At the moment, I believe that if it can't handle it, it just gives you an error message. The "solution" would be to copy your edit (the error messages appear right above your comment, so what you typed would still be on screen) and try again after reloading the page and/or with the wikitext editor. I expect it to get better (early stages, etc.), but that seems to be the current situation.
The editing window opens where it expects to put your comment. If you reply to the first or last one, then it opens at the end of the section. But if you reply to a comment in the middle, it will open in the middle. The idea is for the box to be where the edit will [probably] end up. (I don't know if that made any sense. It might be easier to understand if you go back now and try to reply to one of your previous comments, now that there are a couple more comments on the page.)
I want to know more about the unclosed wikitext comment. Are you talking about the preview? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:52, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cool; no further questions about that then.
Ah, it seems to be working now. Cheers.
It goes beyond the preview. See the edit I made at 9 March, 18:59 (CET). --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:06, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see! Thanks for the great example. Would you like it to auto-close missing tags and similar things, to keep the comment's formatting from "leaking"? I don't expect them to add that feature very soon, but I understand that it's technically feasible (they would just have to run the comment through Parsoid). You'd get weird results if you tried to put, say, {tl|archive top}} in a quick reply, but I don't think that people would want to do that anyway (it'd be weird to auto-sign the addition of an archive box anyway). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:12, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{u|Whatamidoing (WMF)}}, that might work if it closes right before the signature. Would this extend to things like <pre> and <code> tags? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:16, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would close anything that it thinks is unclosed (at the HTML level, so yes to both of your examples). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:49, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{u|Whatamidoing (WMF)}}, it's similar to reply-link that we are already using here, except it shows the previews in real time. The reply-link shows the blue "reply" in parenthesis, something to consider IMO. Besides not showing realtime previews, reply-link constantly fails for me when the network is slow and the page is large, such as ANI. At the teahouse, it fails as often as it works, so please consider testing the tool in very large talk pages as well, if these are at all similar in how they work. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:33, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, it fails in large pages even when the network isn't slow. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:35, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this idea, User:asdfUsedtobecool. I'll ask the team to test it specifically on large pages. (I tried to do a quick test by copying the Teahouse over there, but apparently the tool only recognizes French timestamps at the French Wikipedia, so it didn't work out. I'll have to find another big page to test.) Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:14, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Whatamidoing (WMF), I think this system would work extremely well, especially with new users and people who aren't comfortable with source editing (ie. me). Although, a declutter for the new system would be even better. Looking at it now it could be a little confusing and overwhelming for a new user because there is no markings on who is talking to who. Other than that, it looks good. LucasA04 (talk) 02:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{Re|LucasA04}} Have you taken a look at User:asdfEnterprisey/reply-link tool? It functions similarly to this one. {NoSig}} —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{Re|Tenryuu}} No I have not, I will check it out. Also sorry about that. LucasA04 (talk) 02:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{Re|Tenryuu}} Installed the script, works marvellously! Is this Wikipedians reply to other people? I've been using source editing to reply to other people since I've made this account, lol. Is there anything else like this or like a list of useful/must-have scripts? Side note: It seems that using the reply script here on the teahouse talk page appears to be not working, everywhere else works most of the time. LucasA04 (talk) 03:26, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{u|LucasA04}}, glad to see you enjoy using it. Just up above {Np|Usedtobecool}} mentions that the limitations of the script seem to be due to large page sizes. Thankfully you're able to copypaste your comment into the normal editor. I really only use two other "scripts": Cacycle's WikEd editor, which is a gadget under Preferences {right arrow}} Gadgets and adds toolbars to do things like embolden, italicise, and wrap nowiki tags around stuff (and it has its own syntax highlighting), and Ais523's vote symbols script, which allows only you to see icons when certain words are called in bold (e.g., when I see the word keep like this there is a

before it that only I can see). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{u|LucasA04}}, I think I've fixed it for a few "large pages", including this one - mind letting me know if it works on this page yet? Enterprisey (talk!) 08:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{u|Enterprisey}}, Test LucasA04 (talk) 15:52, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{u|Enterprisey}}, Yup it works! LucasA04 (talk) 15:52, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:asdfUsedtobecool, I hope that you're also seeing an improvement here. Enterprisey just made some fairly large changes (to template handling) in the hope of solving the problem you and others reported. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:56, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've just tried out the (other) Reply tool. It worked for me, but took a few seconds to post the comments. If you'd like to try it out, please click https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse?dtenable=1 and let me know what you think (here, or ping me anywhere). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:55, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{u|Whatamidoing (WMF)}}, I like it. It seems to be unburdened by the large page size as reply-link.js is limited by. It still doesn't appear to close tags, but that's a minor issue compared to being able to use this reply tool without it encountering a script error. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:00, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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