User talk:Enochlau/Archive 2007c

This page contains archived material written on my talk page during 2007.

re Race Against Time

I don't see this as deletion bait. There's a whole category for Nancy Drew books, and this is a stub in that cat. Herostratus 13:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand your point. Are you saying they should be deleted, or not deleted? enochlau (talk) 13:33, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MapleStory character classes

Why was this page proposed for deletion (on the 15th of April)? It was accurate and I used it on a regular basis. I think more than 5 days should've been given so I would've noticed and gone against it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.32.93.240 (talk) 20:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I don't get it... it was actually deleted much longer ago. In any case, it was deemed to be unencyclopedic and the text is now over at StrategyWiki. enochlau (talk) 03:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help

A very Californian RfA thanks from Luna Santin

Thanks for your support in my not-so-recent RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of (97/4/4)! I've never been able to accept compliments gracefully, and the heavy support from this outstanding community left me at a complete loss for words -- so, a very belated thank you for all of your kind words.

I have done and will continue to do the utmost to serve the community in this new capacity, wherever it may take me, and to set an example others might wish to follow in. With a little luck and a lot of advice, this may be enough. Maybe someday the enwiki admins of the future will look back and say, "Yeah, that guy was an admin." Hopefully then they don't start talking about the explosive ArbComm case I got tied into and oh what a drama that was, but we'll see, won't we?

Surely some of you have seen me in action by now; with that in mind, I openly invite and welcome any feedback here or here -- help me become the best editor and sysop I can be.

Again, thank you. –Luna Santin

Yep, I'm finally getting these out. :) Glad to see you're still active, although I don't think I run across you all that often (it is a big wiki, after all). Thank you for your support, and for all you've done for the project. – Luna Santin (talk) 01:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The Gates Music

Hello, I was working on a band's page "The_Gates_Music" but you deleted it before we could continue adding the requested information... We spent about 5 hours on that and cannot find any trace of it in deleted log. Can you please help find the work done so that we can find the necessary notability references etc. thankyou —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Exlibrisaustralia (talk • contribs) 02:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC). Exlibrisaustralia[reply]

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 03:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Cinematic Sunrise

I notice that you performed the deletion of Cinematic Sunrise. Would it be appropriate to protect it from re-creation? That was the 6th deletion of the page since 09/10/06. Slavlin 14:07, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We usually only protect pages from re-creation in an onslaught of vandalism. It's not happening frequently enough to warrant that. They should get the message soon. enochlau (talk) 14:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, makes sense. Especially since they could become notable in the future. Slavlin 14:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

re: Sydney Law School

I've reverted and inserted a note on Talk:Sydney Law School. Did you know they used to test Maths? --Sumple (Talk) 08:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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UNSW

Hi Enoch. I noticed that you've contributed to the UNSW page. Someone's raised the issue of rankings, and whether they should be included in the page. It's not my particular area of expertise; I was wondering whether you could give it a look over? Recurring dreams 13:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Replied on talk page. enochlau (talk) 15:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC))[reply]

The Times is indeed very respectable, however it wasn't the Times that carried out the survey - it was a contracted consulting company called QS Quacquarelli Symonds. And it appears that QS simply went for a convenient sample. I understand that the purpose of Wiki is not to be juice squeezingly tight in terms of accuracy but when you do see it, it should only be fair to omit or correct it.

Please read the following journal article and hopefully it will shed some light as to why I'm heavily opposed to the THES Rankings. The very problem is that it being an inaccurate source, is being used as a reference by many students - but more importantly many governments are using it as a deciding factor in their policy issues.

http://www.geocities.com/universities06/ajueart.pdf

I'm aware that the THES uses other criteria to rank the universities - nonetheless the article also explains each one in detail. In essence, it's better to have no metrics than have invalid/crap metrics. At least that way you are not misinforming.

--Fredreck 16:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Portal of Evil article deletion

I find myself curiously in two minds about this deletion. PoE is nasty, spiteful and irritating, but does it really count as "non-notable"? You could argue that it has had a major influence on the Web, if only because it has pissed off so many webmasters. Lee M 20:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There was no assertion of notability in the article, and thus it was deleted. enochlau (talk) 01:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm still a bit vague about what precisely counts as an assertion of notability. Lee M 02:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:WEB. enochlau (talk) 02:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

East Hills Line Photo

The train is on the tracks closest to the taker, which are the East Hills Line tracks. If you want to replace it with a better image, by all means go ahead, but I'd rather have that one than none at all. JRG 04:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 10:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC))[reply]

I think you might be right - I'm sorry - I didn't realise that. Tempe is on the left of the photo, so it looks like it is an Illawarra Line train after all. It still shows the East Hills Line tracks though, but it's ok to replace it with something else. JRG 13:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of Frederick_Noronha

An article that you have been involved in editing, Frederick_Noronha, has been listed by me for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frederick_Noronha. Thank you.

Editing a person's name

Hi Enochlau, just a quick note to seek your help. An unregistered user keeps editing the Lillian Too page, changing her name to what appears to be her full Chinese name. However, as the person who started this article and did a lot of research on this topic, I cannot find any sources for this name. As this is a major edit, and if left as it is, may become an incorrect sorce of information for a lot of people. What do you think should be done? Thanks. -- S Masters 16:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 08:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Uni flying club

Yup - at first it looked like something for the bin - will try to check a few bits of info that might be relevant for notability - otherwise I have no problem abut it going - cheers Satu Suro 14:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey its gone already - thanks for the pointer re uni clubs and notability - cheers Satu Suro 06:53, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. enochlau (talk) 06:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What are you doing?

Why did you delete my article under criteria "nn bio"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by General reeves (talk • contribs) 06:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

"nn bio" means non-notable biography. See WP:CSD. enochlau (talk) 06:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So what? Why is it not notable?

Ground Level Deletion Question

Hi Enochlau,

I was trying to start an article for one of my favourite bands and noticed that you had already deleted it without a reason listed?

Would you please clarify what I did wrong, as I was just getting into the process and was not by any means finished?

The band I was listing was " Ground Level" .

Thank you for your feedback.

HoloGraphica

The article was deleted because it contained no assertion of notability as per WP:CSD. If you wish to dispute the deletion, go to WP:DRV. enochlau (talk) 07:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cole v Whitfield

Wow! I don't think he's an impostor, no-one would go to the trouble. Looks like Ghena got some of the facts wrong. Though that's probably due to inaccuracy in the case law. Hmm... Kewpid 04:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

API / query.php

Hi Enoch,

Just a quick follow up from last week's wiki meetup - you mentioned query.php, maybe have a quick look at the new API provided by api.php. I'm not sure exactly what the differences are, but perhaps the newer one has some extra stuff that may be useful to you with the duplicate-image bot you mentioned.

-- All the best, Nickj (t) 07:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 14:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Categorized images at Commons

-Mardus 16:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Replied on user page. enochlau (talk) 16:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Forbidden City

I'd like to get Forbidden City to GA status. Can you take a look and see what needs to be improved? Thanks, --Sumple (Talk) 07:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Higgs

Since you were involved somewhat in the first round via your speedydeletion of related articles, you might want to get a word in at the second round as well: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Higgs. --Dynaflow 19:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page deletion: The Guide To Selling Your Music In The iTunes Music Store

I'm contesting the deletion of a page about a book entitled The Guide To Selling Your Music In The iTunes Music Store. It was incorrectly tagged for speedy deletion by Dynaflow, who has now vandalized every page created by this account (this will also be addressed too). Wikipedia lists the following criteria for speedy deletion to include, but are not limited to, the following:

Advertising or other spam without relevant content (but not an article about an advertising related subject)

However, the book in question is specifically about sales and advertising. By definition it has relevant content related to sales and advertising and is not considered spam according to Wikipedia's own guidelines. particle 08:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Given the existence of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Higgs, I'm not in a position to agree with you at the moment. If you wish to dispute the deletion, go to WP:DRV. enochlau (talk) 12:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of The Guide To Selling Your Music In The iTunes Music Store. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. particle 16:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fort Street High School

This article has remained fully protected for nearly two years now. I don't know, but I think the vandals have gone away! Care to open it up again so this page can get a bit of attention? 58.178.43.12 15:21, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Update

Hey, thanks for the call. I've posted my reply and decided to take a break. This really disappointed me. I had expected some kind of rational discussion, even if it rebuked my behaviour. Anyway, talk to you in RL. --Sumple (Talk) 05:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Monty Hall problem

Enjoy. Kewpid 07:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Curious about the deletion of portalofevil.com

Site has been in wikipedia for a long, long time - are you a furry? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cheznoir (talk • contribs) 02:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

The article made no assertion of notability, and hence it qualified for speedy deletion. If you wish to contest the deletion, go to WP:DRV. enochlau (talk) 02:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion? It existed for years and was deleted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lee_M

Who is Lee M? http://friends.portalofevil.com/fshow.php?si=3&userid=10410

And check his posts, he deleted the page shortly after he got in a hissy fight.

POE is well known and historically significant for its place in alternative directories/searches. Considering sites that came later and were helped by poe like somethingawful.com etc still exist in the wiki, but you remove the source? That just shows how silly wikipedia is, it ignores the part of culture it was born from and emboldens childish behavoir such as Lee_m and yours. You have zero knowledge in the field, lee_m deleted it bases on a personal fight on poe's forums and you are going to tell me now that was a valid reason for the deletion? What a joke.

Seriously, you should think before you act next. You are supposed to be acting for wikipedia, not for statue fetishists who have personal vendettas against sites. So are you man enough to leave in an entry that has offended your friend or do you delete it and expose wikipedia for the geek highschool it currently is?

Didn't I delete it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Undelete/Portal_of_Evil - being an encyclopedia, Wikipedia must maintain high standards of inclusion, and as it stood when it was deleted, the article did not meet our notability guidelines. enochlau (talk) 03:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And so you are telling me, for 3 or so years (can't see thehistory it is deleted) wikipedia was wrong for including it?

Can you explain to my why portalofevil.com was in wikipedia for so many years? Why sites like fatchicksinpartyhates.com and somethingawful.com remain? You are telling me you cannot look on the history for that page before the deletion and see why it was included so many years ago? Or that history no longer is history according to wikipedia because the only history that counts is that which does not bother its members and editors? What happens when you get older? Do we delete all your entries because they are no longer relevant? In your case, you are stating - history doesn't grow, it gets deleted?

I'm beginning to sound like a broken record, but I'll say it one more time: if the article does not (present tense) contain evidence as to the website's notability, it will be deleted per WP:CSD. The existence of other articles is not an argument; it's simply that no-one has bothered to go and delete them. I will say no more. If you want a chance of undeleting them, go to WP:DRV. enochlau (talk) 03:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nottingham's Crave

So you deleted the page about Nottingham's Crave? What on earth? I'm sorry, but I wrote a note saying that I'd update it on Saturday after my exams. It seems you're a student as well - surely you know how it is. What your actions amount to is censorship. Who gave you the right to judge what is worthy of Wikipedia and what isn't? I bet if the founders knew about this they would be extremely upset.
Wikipedia is NEVER GOING TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. Believe me, I'm at The University of Nottingham, and if I referenced Wikipedia I'd be a laughing stock. Because of its nature it's never going to be a credible source for anything. But it is great, and it's great because people like me can write pages about real things so that others can learn about them. Crave is an example of this. It is people who delete information who are forcing Wikipedia into No Man's Land. Not quirky anymore, because the quirky, interesting stuff is censored. And not credible because, frankly, it's WIKIpedia, and anyone can edit it.
Now I don't have a user talk page. But I'd like an explanation. I suppose you can write below here. I don't get it at all, and would like an answer. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.145.161.42 (talk) 18:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Reading what you wrote, it seems likesome random gathering of with no assertion of notability - thus it was speedily deleted under WP:CSD A7 for a non-notable group. I maintain that the deletion was correct but Wikipedia standards - you might think Wikipedia is about writing about anything that's real but well it's an encyclopedia and there are standards for inclusion. If you wish to appeal the deletion, you should go to WP:DRV instead of appealing to me again. enochlau (talk) 01:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History of the British Isles

On 5 May you protected History of the British Isles to enforce a "cool down" period to stop an edit war. Since there has been no discussion for a while it seems appropriate to me to consider lifting the protection, and I've raised the point on the talk page. Any comments? .. dave souza, talk 17:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. enochlau (talk) 20:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.... dave souza, talk 07:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Wikimedia Australia

Hey, did you end up meeting with people from your law school? If you did, what kind of things did you find out relevant to Wikimedia Australia? Thanks. enochlau (talk) 01:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*nudge* enochlau (talk) 15:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm finding it hard to make a time to see someone, given that it's the end of semester. If I can't do so early this week I'll just ask a few questions by email. --bainer (talk) 15:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image usage

Hello, i just want to inform you, that your image Image:Sugar cane leaves.jpg is used in a swiss newspaper article [1]. Best regards. --BLueFiSH ✉ 13:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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nicta

I saw you uploaded the NICTA logo - it now has a new logo (see on its home page), and also is now officially called "NICTA", not "National ICT Australia". I wonder if you could be so good as to update the logo, and perhaps change NICTA to be the main content page and change National ICT Australia to redirect to it? thx

I'll change the logo, but from their About page, it seems that their name is still National ICT Australia. enochlau (talk) 03:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Request for unprotection

Hey, User:Bishonen has protected my user page for no discernible reason. --Sumple (Talk) 10:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]